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[Seagloom]

I dunno. That might feel too samey to Aang's story depending on the direction.

Speaking of Firebenders, I was surprised Mako could throw lightning with such ease. It was supposed to be a master level technique. In AtAB, it was a big deal that Iroh, Azula, and Ozai could wield it.

I also found it interesting just how outclassed Korra was by those chi blockers. The brothers against that Equalist with the tonfas at the end too. Apparently martial arts training + technology > bending.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[Homebound]

Seagloom wrote...

I dunno. That might feel too samey to Aang's story depending on the direction.

Speaking of Firebenders, I was surprised Mako could throw lightning with such ease. It was supposed to be a master level technique. In AtAB, it was a big deal that Iroh, Azula, and Ozai could wield it.

I also found it interesting just how outclassed Korra was by those chi blockers. The brothers against that Equalist with the tonfas at the end too. Apparently martial arts training + technology > bending.

Well when you think about it that way...A gun > kung fu

[Seagloom]

Indeed.

[Megaton_Hope]

Well, I think that it was one of the themes in the original show that bending wasn't really as limited and narrow as most people treated it as being. The masters are really just approaching the subject more flexibly (and from a different perspective) than the average bender has done up until that point. Iroh studied firebending with the Sun Warriors and the dragons, and even looked for insights from waterbending, which we know is where he learned to channel lightning. Toph learned to earthbend from badgermoles, who, we are told, taught the very first earthbenders, Oma and Shu. Hama learned bloodbending (and other seemingly advanced techniques) because she had been pinioned hand and foot in a firebender prison, and had few resources to draw on. (No training at all, there, just dogged persistence.)

None of that requires fantastic amounts of power or skill, just the kind of left-field inspiration you don't get studying katas with Master Yu, and the dedication to pursue it. Like Toph's sudden insight about metal being another kind of earth - it was just an idea that nobody had had yet, hence the firebenders imprisoning earthbender prisoners on a rig made of steel. But after Toph did it, it was something you could learn by studying it with Toph, or perhaps by reproducing her success on your own, if you knew about it.

So really, I think that rather than being of a different order that "standard" bending, lightning was just...you know, a new idea and a relatively tightly guarded secret.

Well, thing is...with Korra being Water Tribe, they haven't really touched the old good guy/bad guy dynamic from before. In spite of certain outliers (Long Feng, Hama), there is little reason to see the Earth Kingdom, Water Tribe, or Air Nomads (such as there were) as potentially antagonistic. Closest we get is Chin the Conqueror, way back in history, eating up the mainland around the invincible Ba Sing Se. And he barely exists in-narrative, he's just some flashbacks.

Seems t' me, it's more of a challenge making a firebender heroic, after spending so much time making them the authoritarian, genocidal conquerors in the first one. Plus, I kinda have this idea in my head about siege engine glaciers creeping across the landscape.

[Megaton_Hope]

Hellbound555 wrote...
Well when you think about it that way...A gun > kung fu

It did often work out that way, for Ty Lee. Also Xena. Bending's not very helpful against somebody who can prevent you from bending by touching you. (As long as they're fast enough and coordinated enough to hit the right places, that is.)

[Seagloom]

That is all true, but AtLAB made a big deal over it with Zuko's struggle and eventual failure to learn the technique. I did not get the impression it was a carefully guarded secret so much as difficult to master.

I imagine the same is true for blood bending and metal bending. The difference there was Katara and Toph were both masters in their respective styles. Toph in particular was arguably a genius considering she presumably learned bending similarly to how the first earth benders did.

Given that and Mako's background as revealed in "The Revelation", I find it unusual that he can toss lightning with such ease. If Mako stumbled into the knowledge on his own, then he is a genius fire bender. Then again, you may be right about it not being so difficult considering he was one of three fire benders channeling lightning in the power plant. There would need to be quite a few lightning users to manage that... so meh.

I'm glad they are going with this plot because it's more interesting to me than another war scenario. I don't think it would be too hard to make a fire bender seem heroic. We saw a few examples of nonevil fire benders in the previous series. Enough to know they exist, at least.

With the technology bit, I was actually referring to the Equalist that schooled Mako and Bolin with his electrifying tonfa. Although the chi blockers Korra and Mako fought did use night vision goggles, gas masks, and gas bombs, they had no tangible impact on the fight.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Il Divo]

Just finished the episode. Absolutely fantastic.

[Nerevar-as]

Seagloom wrote...

That is all true, but AtLAB made a big deal over it with Zuko's struggle and eventual failure to learn the technique. I did not get the impression it was a carefully guarded secret so much as difficult to master.

I imagine the same is true for blood bending and metal bending. The difference there was Katara and Toph were both masters in their respective styles. Toph in particular was arguably a genius considering she presumably learned bending similarly to how the first earth benders did.

Given that and Mako's background as revealed in "The Revelation", I find it unusual that he can toss lightning with such ease. If Mako stumbled into the knowledge on his own, then he is a genius fire bender. Then again, you may be right about it not being so difficult considering he was one of three fire benders channeling lightning in the power plant. There would need to be quite a few lightning users to manage that... so meh.

The idea I remember from lightning was not so much requiring a lot of power as being at peace with oneself and balanced, hence why Zuko couldn´t use it. Interestingly, after learning the old style he should be able to use it, while Azula shouldn´t have in the last Agni Kai as she was half crazy - guess they forgot.

Mako seems to meet the requirements, it would be interesting to know who teached him.

[Naughty Bear]

The makers are not even trying to be subtle wth Mako and Korra.

Amon seems interesting. If what he says is true about what happened to him, i understand his motives, for now atleast.

But something tells me that while he feels that the benders are dangerous, his hate for them is more in control of his actions. I would hate benders if that happened to me.

Mako is going to be a victim of him because he is a fire bender himself.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 21 avril 2012 - 08:25 .

[Seagloom]

@Nerevar

Yeah, I remember. I did not mean to imply it required immense power so much as skill and understanding. Which is why toward the end I kinda started to agree with Megaton_Hope on the seemingly prolific expansion of lightning users.

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I get the feeling Amon is not being entirely honest. My one major complaint with his characterization thus far is he comes off as blatantly villainous; rather than a wronged man pushed over the edge a la Jet. It would not surprise me in the slightest if his face is perfectly normal; or if he is a bender himself.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 avril 2012 - 08:43 .

[Il Divo]

Seagloom wrote...

I get the feeling Amon is not being entirely honest. My one major complaint with his characterization thus far is he comes off as blatantly villainous; rather than a wronged man pushed over the edge a la Jet. It would not surprise me in the slightest if his face is perfectly normal; or if he is a bender himself.

Honestly, I feel like he's going to be a character from the original series. Something about how he explained his backstory makes me suspicious, regarding his story of the Fire Nation attacking his home.  

[Naughty Bear]

Yeah, it's a cartoon show after all, he is bound to be a villain for no apparent reason but hopefully i am wrong.

I also agree he might be a bender as well. If Tenzin is correct and that Avatars can only perform this, he must to some degree, having bending abilities.

[Seagloom]

Il Divo wrote...

Honestly, I feel like he's going to be a character from the original series. Something about how he explained his backstory makes me suspicious, regarding his story of the Fire Nation attacking his home.  

I had that feeling too when discussing him in brief earlier in this thread. Any time I see a masked character in a sequel, my first assumption is it's probably someone the audience is already familiar with.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 avril 2012 - 09:13 .

[Il Divo]

Seagloom wrote...

I had that feeling too when discussing him in brief earlier in this thread. Any time I see a masked character in a sequel, my first assumption is it's probably someone the audience is already familiar with.

True enough, masks tend to build hype. Just off the top of my head, and without any dedicated contemplation whatsoever, I almost want to say Ahmon is the child from the Zuko Alonge episode. It's one of the few episodes where a character the protagonist encounters is left with a fairly bad impression from their interactions and with more explanation Ahmon's story could be made to match the kid's; the Fire Nation may have taken the village eventually.

Modifié par Il Divo, 21 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[Capt. Obvious]

I just watched the episode online and it was balls off the wall. Hell, I'm starting to think that it's better than the last series.

Naughty Bear wrote...

Yeah, it's a cartoon show after all, he is bound to be a villain for no apparent reason but hopefully i am wrong.

I also agree he might be a bender as well. If Tenzin is correct and that Avatars can only perform this, he must to some degree, having bending abilities.

I found a theory online explaining Amon's origin and energybending. It goes like this: Aang was killed at the end of Book 2 by Azula's lightning strike, right? Well, perhaps Aang's short death caused the next Avatar to be born which, in this theory, is Amon. Of course, Aang was brought back to life by Katara's oasis water and would eventually die again 70 years later resulting in Korra's birth. Thus, there are two Avatars walking about. It may be that Amon simply chooses not to bend or hides his bending powers to control the non-benders.

It's just a theory but I think it's a plausible one.

[Seagloom]

It's an interesting theory except one nagging detail: Aang was in the Avatar state when Azula zapped him. There was even a jump cut showing all past Avatars popping off into nonexistence. Amon could not be born in that instant since Aang's death spelled the end of the Avatar cycle until Katara saved him.

[RobRam10]

WOOOOAH Steve Blum's voice was perfect!

[Homebound]

RobRam10 wrote...

WOOOOAH Steve Blum's voice was perfect!

his voice acting has always been hit or miss for me, but damn when he hits it, he HITS IT HARD!!

[Megaton_Hope]

Seagloom wrote...

That is all true, but AtLAB made a big deal over it with Zuko's struggle and eventual failure to learn the technique. I did not get the impression it was a carefully guarded secret so much as difficult to master.

Far's that goes, Zuko's shortcomings are similar to Aang's and Korra's. When something is difficult, he wants to have achieved it or be able to stop trying. And channeling lightning seems to require a certain...stability, that Zuko definitely lacked in the earlier stages of his development as a character.

Haven't gotten farther than the second episode yet, at the moment, so I'm not sure what-all we're talking about with technology. Only seen as far as professional bending. (Which looks kind of boring, to me.)

[Naughty Bear]

What day is the next episode released?

Can i watch it on any channel or is it on Cartoon Network? I don't have Sky.

[Seagloom]

jollyorigins wrote...

Just watched the 3rd episode; was that Lance Henriksen voicing Amon's second-in-command?

Yes it was.

Naughty Bear wrote...

What day is the next episode released?

Can i watch it on any channel or is it on Cartoon Network? I don't have Sky.

It airs on Nickelodeon over here. New episodes at 11AM on Saturday with a rerun at 3PM. Another rerun airs on Sunday at 7:30AM. They are also reairing the first three episodes tonight at 7PM, but I don't think that's a regular thing.

[RedArmyShogun]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

omg the new episode is out already? darn..oh well, i knew the show would air around the same time the mlp season finale show would be on..

And thus is the price you paid brother. The Pony God of Chaos now has your soul.

this celestial trot of galloping decadence buck all our tides collectively but, if friendship can win, and it can, I'll be here tomorrow, to bro-hoof you yesterday my friend, peace.

Friendship? Wut.....

Inspirational Verse, Imperial Hymnal Vol. IV

Hate! Hate! Hate!
An emotion as pure as it is deep!
Hate! Hate! Hate!
Let it flow, let it run free!

But yes liking the show, want to see what the equalists will do next, or if reprisals will be carried against them.

[Sajji]

Avatar was pretty good, but it wasn't this big masterpiece everybody made it out to be. It was different, however, seeing us conduct an alien invasion. Might see it in theaters, might not.