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[The Hierophant]

 

[Seagloom]

She used the avatar state on Eska and Desna, yes. I don't think all the blame can be placed on Korra's shoulders, however. The avatar state seems severely weakened in this series. Think about it: every time Aang went into the avatar state he became a living deus ex machina. He stopped the northern invasion by himself. The only time he lost was when Azula zapped him from behind since she was the only one with the presence of mind to attack *before* the shining demigod finished winding up. Once avatar state Aang got going, it was game over.

The little we saw of Roku and grown up Aang using it also suggested it was OP. Ditto with Wan. Yet when Korra uses it she gets her ass kicked? I'm sorry, but that to me is straight up poor writing. The avatar state is supposed to be a sort of spiritual network of all the avatar's past lives. Korra isn't alone in the driver's seat. They are all working together as a single entity. Heck, Aang had to push to avoid killing Ozai when all his other past lives went for the deathblow by momentarily dropping *out of* the avatar state.

The way I see it, they make Korra lose because if she won there wouldn't be a story. I don't think Korra would have learned the avatar state at the end of book one if they knew the series would continue. However it did, and they were left with a character who based on past portrayals of this ability, had a magic "I win" button she could use at any time. Being unable to find a logical reason to remove it from her, they went with the illogical she gets her ass kicked anyway route. It's even worse than the chakra block getting cured by a rock to the back treatment Aang got.

Out of the avatar state, I don't think Korra is any worse than Aang. That still paints Aang as a better bender since he learned other bending styles in months whereas Korra has been training her whole life; but both of them are pretty pitiful compared to masters in bending styles they weren't born with.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 novembre 2013 - 10:18 .

[OdanUrr]

Seagloom wrote...

The little we saw of Roku and grown up Aang using it also suggested it was OP. Ditto with Wan. Yet when Korra uses it she gets her ass kicked? I'm sorry, but that to me is straight up poor writing. The avatar state is supposed to be a sort of spiritual network of all the avatar's past lives. Korra isn't alone in the driver's seat. They are all working together as a single entity. Heck, Aang had to push to avoid killing Ozai when all his other past lives went for the deathblow by momentarily dropping *out of* the avatar state.

The way I see it, they make Korra lose because if she won there wouldn't be a story. I don't think Korra would have learned the avatar state at the end of book one if they knew the series would continue. However it did, and they were left with a character who based on past portrayals of this ability, had a magic "I win" button she could use at any time. Being unable to find a logical reason to remove it from her, they went with the illogical she gets her ass kicked anyway route. It's even worse than the chakra block getting cured by a rock to the back treatment Aang got.

This, so much this! They backed themselves into a corner when they gave Korra the Avatar State at the end of Book One and then decided that maybe the AS wasn't as powerful after all. Bollocks!

[Lenimph]

Seagloom wrote...

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My thoery about Korra's avatar state being so much more weaker then Aang's is (aside from just bad series continuity) is maybe since Korra's connection to the Spirit world and her past lives was weaker then Aangs, her avatar state seems far less impressive. 

 What bothers me the most is that Korra seems like such a weak water bender regardless of that being the element she was born into. 

Modifié par Lenimph, 21 novembre 2013 - 05:06 .

[Lenimph]

Also all hail Jinora, who is a better freaking Avatar (being the link between two worlds) then Korra.

[Seagloom]

Korra's waterbending hasn't bothered me too much so far. Outside of her duel with Tarrlok, she's been up against stiff competition. Amon was like a super waterbender; what with his anytime bloodbending and insane martial arts skills. He could take down benders without even bending himself. Korra beating him that way seemed unlikely.

In the case of Eska and Desna, it was two on one and they're both clearly masters. While I don't think Korra is as good as either of them, the odds were stacked against her. I think she would've done a lot better against either of them one on one.

Finally, Unalaq had +10 plot armor. Avatar state wasn't enough, so never mind waterbending.

We didn't have a point of comparison for Aang's airbending. Tenzin doesn't seem as skilled, but that can be as much because he's older and not as nimble at his age. XD

To be honest, I haven't seen anything that supports avatars are particularly gifted at their birth element since they tend to rely on all four; so I probably shouldn't have suggested they were before.

The exception was Wan who spent a long time mastering fire before he knew other elements existed. Like, I don't know if Aang was as good at airbending as Azula was at firebending. I have nothing to base that on, really. Only that nothing Aang did with airbending seemed as crazy as metalbending or reversing lightning bolts. Air scooters are cute, but they don't strike me as master level l33t.

On the whole, though? I am bothered that Korra seems weak. I can perform all these mental gymnastics to comfort myself; but it's true, she seems weaker than IMO she should be. The writers don't have a clue about how to deal with superpowerful characters. That much has been clear since the first series and how they cut Aang off from the avatar state at the end of book two. It's frustrating because it makes Korra seem more incompetent than she logically should be IMO. Fighting is the one area where she should be peerless.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 novembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 21 novembre 2013 - 05:47 .

[OdanUrr]

Seagloom wrote...

Finally, Unalaq had +10 plot armor. Avatar state wasn't enough, so never mind waterbending.

Yup, made this argument before. Korra is able to master all four elements and has thousands of years of experience in the Avatar State yet Darth Unalaq managed to beat her with water. Totally believable.<_<

[Cainhurst Crow]

I didn't think it was that unbelievable tbh. Unalaq has much more skill and experience then korra, and had enough power thanks to becoming a dark avatar to put him and korra on even footing. If you think on it korra relies mostly on force to overpower her opponents along with unorthodox moves and maneuvers, using her other elements to offset and unbalance the people she fights. Unalaq seems more strategic and able to pick up and exploit his opponents weaknesses, not to mention specialization forcing him to utilize water to it's absolute best in order to fight. Basically, because korra can bend the other elements, and seems to have been taught to from a very young age, she basically suffered from a jack-of-all-trades syndrome.

Skilled in all 4 elements, but not really mastering any of them to their absolute level.

[Il Divo]

Seagloom wrote...

Out of the avatar state, I don't think Korra is any worse than Aang. That still paints Aang as a better bender since he learned other bending styles in months whereas Korra has been training her whole life; but both of them are pretty pitiful compared to masters in bending styles they weren't born with.

Another thing to point out about this is that the Last Airbender appears to take the Star Wars stormtrooper route, where your average anonymous firebender is a complete incompetent, who exists only to be man handled by Aang's gusts of air.

Korra might appear to be underpowered in Season 1, but to some extent that also appears to be because the writers no longer treat every un-named character as disposable.

[Il Divo]

OdanUrr wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Finally, Unalaq had +10 plot armor. Avatar state wasn't enough, so never mind waterbending.

Yup, made this argument before. Korra is able to master all four elements and has thousands of years of experience in the Avatar State yet Darth Unalaq managed to beat her with water. Totally believable.<_<

Meh, I don't think the four elements is the problem with Unalaq overpowering Korra. We've seen Aang with skill/mastery in some combination of all four but Zuko, Azula, and Ozai all still manage to match/overpower him at various points.

Unalaq beating Korra with only one element I can believe. The Avatar State, imo, is the bigger issue. The whole idea behind it is that it's a summation of all of Korra's past lives, including their bending experience. That I think is what contributes more to my skepticism that Unalaq, a brand new Avatar, can go toe to toe with Korra + all company.

[OdanUrr]

Just finished reading "The Search, part 3." I think my review of it would be a mix between "meh" and "what?!" Don't get me wrong, it's bad. Sure, we get some lore on Koh but it's pretty bad when your one twist is subverted to the point of being nothing but a gimmick.

[The Hierophant]

Il Divo wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

Finally, Unalaq had +10 plot armor. Avatar state wasn't enough, so never mind waterbending.

Yup, made this argument before. Korra is able to master all four elements and has thousands of years of experience in the Avatar State yet Darth Unalaq managed to beat her with water. Totally believable.<_<

Meh, I don't think the four elements is the problem with Unalaq overpowering Korra. We've seen Aang with skill/mastery in some combination of all four but Zuko, Azula, and Ozai all still manage to match/overpower him at various points.

Don't forget that Azula with her blue fire, and to a lesser extent Zuko were prodigies. Despite it not looking impressive Zuko defeated Zhao who's a student of Jeong Jeong in an Agni Kai, while though Ozai and Unalaq were experienced fighters the former was powered up by Sozin's Comet before the protagonist's Avatar state was activated.

I agree that aside from the Avatar State,  Aang wasn't the most powerful bender when you consider the White Lotus members like Iroh who was hinted at being capable of defeating Ozai.

Unalaq beating Korra with only one element I can believe. The Avatar State, imo, is the bigger issue. The whole idea behind it is that it's a summation of all of Korra's past lives, including their bending experience. That I think is what contributes more to my skepticism that Unalaq, a brand new Avatar, can go toe to toe with Korra + all company.

Agreed.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 22 novembre 2013 - 12:10 .

[KT Chong]

The next book won't be "Light" or "Dark". It'll be titled "Change".

[Nerevar-as]

It was said in the first episode that she simply didn´t get the spiritual side of bending, so of course she´s going to have trouble several times.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Honestly I think her stubbornness might just have the most to do with her lack of skills. She bends the elements her way, but that doesn't mean its the right way. Like how she "learned" airbending, she didn't have any of the spiritual or mindset it took to properly use airbending to its greatest potential, just forcing it with brute force to follw her command. Aang had to get into the mindset of a waterbender, earthbender, and firebender in order to use the elements as well as he did. As far as I can tell, this isnwhst korra struggles to do the most.

[spirosz]

Well, even though she was born to the Water tribe, she has the "aggressiveness" of a fire-bender, look at what she does at her most critical moment -



She has the talent, no doubt.

[spirosz]

Damnit, I want the OST for Book 2, it was brilliant.

Jinora's Light
Tension

[OdanUrr]

Some news on Korra's Book 3 and a pic to boot!

bryan konietzko wrote...

Howdy, friends. I haven’t posted in a while as I’ve been buried under deadlines as well as under the weather. We are all really excited with how Book 3 is turning out. As promised, it features a lot more Lin Beifong than Book 2, so I thought I’d share a cool screen shot of her. OK, I’m going to crawl back underneath my deadlines and cough.

Source

Modifié par OdanUrr, 29 décembre 2013 - 01:29 .

[AresKeith]

Dat Lin