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[Daijin]

Asus Essentio
Intel i7-2600 cpu @ 3.4ghz (8 cpu's)
8192 mb ram
Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 2 (2 gig vram, 4 gig shared)
1920x1200 resolution
917gb HD

Runs Very Smooth, over 500 fps holding still in low placeable areas.
averages 63-128 fps in active combat/creature/placeable areas.


I love this machine!

[SuperFly_2000]

Manufacturer: Hewlett-Packard
Processor: Intel Core i7-2600 @ 3,40GHz (8 CPU's)
Memory: 12 GB RAM (DDR3)
Hard Drive: 3 TB Total (7200 rpm)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti
Monitor: Samsung S27A550H 27" FullHD LED
Sound Card: IDT High Definition Audio
Speakers/Headphones: Logitech 5:1 / Plantronics GameCom 377
Keyboard: MS Sidewinder X6
Mouse: MS Sidewinder X3
Mouse Surface: Func 1030
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_rtm.101119-1850)
Motherboard: 
Computer Case: HP Pavillion HPE


I don't like laptops (if I can avoid using them) so this is a desktop computer. I am lazy and have an obsession of wanting things to work  so I prefer ready built computers like this one. If it doesn't work...just "return to sender"

It works like a charm for NWN...at least after the update of the graphics card driver...and any other game I've run so far like Battlefield 3.

[Tim.G]

A few things to note long after the fact. I put that GT520 card in my Mom's I5 Systemax system so my niece could play NWN when visiting "Grandma". It did much better in a Win7 environment, really a shocking difference. The GT430 I had such high hopes for never really worked in any PC I put it in. Might just be a defective card. The thing that actually brings me back to this old topic today is that Tiger Direct and NewEgg both have EVGA 9800 GT cards available again (about $60). I got a pair of these and put one in a piece of crap HP WinXP unit (2.50 GHZ, 3 gig RAM) and it is giving me 50 fps with current custom content. I am really surprised at how much difference that card made. Whilst kicking about I saw that NewEgg has refurbished EVGA GTX280's back in for about $100.00. I went ahead and ordered one just to see how it does.
That crappy HP outperforms the much faster processor Dell (3.4 GHZ, same RAM) by a fair amount and I am pretty sure its the card. I am awfully happy with the "old school goodness" of the 9800GT playing NWN.

[Just-Me]

Before scrolling up to look for any prior posts you may have written, it seems best to add a warning about drivers. Officially, the Geforce 8nnn and 9nnn are not yet "Legacy" parts not being supported. Unofficially, support in current drivers is very poor for cards any older than the GT200 series; the 9800 and many games that are older than a couple of years simply won't work at all well with most newer drivers.

TimG wrote...

I have several PC's with NWN loaded. The best performers I have are 9800GT Zotacs (in two units, one Win7 Systemax w I7 processor and one HP with XP Pro). On stats the HP ought to be a dog and it is blazing fast. The two Dells are both better processors and more RAM but are much lower FPS. They have PNY Quadro cards 512mb each. I just orded a Zotac GT520 and a PNY GT430 to try. One Dell has a 1gb ATI 5450 (I think)? and it runs good FPS but can't handle shiny water.

Gorath Alpha wrote...

Quadros aren't for games, but neither is a GT 520. I don't think the 520 is nearly as powerful as an HD 5450, and the 5450 is pretty weak sauce. The 430 should be better than either the HD 5450 or the 520 (here is a comparison in which the 430 appears to be TWICE as good as the 520).

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php.

IMO, the HD 5450 is poor, while the GT 520 is worse, although not a *LOT* worse (because the Geforce drivers support OpenGL more completely).  Neither one is intended for game playing, but NWN is *quite* old by now, so all of them should be just fine, if the drivers will support OpenGL functions. 
 

DeathWarding wrote...

)GIGABYTE GV-R787OC-2GD Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Wish it wouldnt be so choppy. The lag spikes make it not worth it for me. Wish i could resolve this.. . its like when im in game theres a program trying to open in the backround and its like flashin in a little...

Radeons generally are very poor in either KotOR or in NWN1, because they do not offer full support for OpenGL.  Older Radeons work much better in the game than newer ones, especially the X1nnn series, like the truly gigantic Radeon X1950XTP I looked at in its box here yesterday.  It seemed to weigh about ten pounds.   The PC it was actually used in has been totally rebuilt, with nothing in that case the same as five years ago, when that one was still comparatively current (released late in 2006). 

I started the OC with a 32 MB TNT2 video card, upgraded to a Geforce3 Ti200 for the expansions, and replaced that with a Geforce FX 5700 (bad exchange there).  Periodically, I look at old games I may want to play again, clear off a space in my building area (spare bedroom mostly used for storage), and reassemble old parts in an old enclosure, test, and if it works, install the old game in question.  Then, I give the PC a name, attach a label with that name and a game name, and stick it on a sturdy steel shelving unit as a reserve machine. 

When the current games are no going to be played here because of things such as requiring Steam, or requiring any similar trash, such as Origin, I have to wait on the next Code Red game instead, and set down the up to date gamer system.  Only then do I have a place to actually play an older game, using one of the Oldie PCs from the storage shelves. 


Just Me

Modifié par Just-Me, 29 octobre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Tim.G]

I have had pretty good luck with the Nvidia drivers for the 9800GT and the Quadro380. They haven't gotten worse with the newer dowloads. The same driver release that cured the Fermi cards seemed to boost the performance of what I have been using, too.
The "Elephant in the room" is the upcoming Windows 8 release which is why I am buying everything I can afford right now because I think in a year from now keeping NWN running will be getting a lot harder. It is really a shame that ATI couldn't update their OpenGL like Nvidia did as I think thye have some good cards.

[Just-Me]

IMO, the biggest elephant of all is the public addiction to constant, instant communication, for almost no reason other than a massive psychological lack of self confidence and resultant inability to pursue solitary thought processes.  Smart phones are the crutches of those emotional cripples, and preference for tablet form computing.  Public immaturity will eventually kill off X86 computing for the home. 

nVIDIA is already exiting the X86 market within the next 3-4 years.  Business will continue to support Windows (pre Win8) and X86 desktops, but there aren't enough game players choosing high end PC games to be profitable for a company that relies on the X86 market for profits; the most money is the bottom end, which both Intel and AMD have taken away by including basic graphics in almost all of their CPUs (and AMD also includes beginner game quality for older, lower demand, games). 

Modifié par Just-Me, 29 octobre 2012 - 12:29 .

[Tim.G]

I got the Asus 3.4 ghz running a new copy of NWN from Gog with the EVGA 9800GT. The FPS in the secret forge from Darkness Over Daggerford is about 80 versus the much slower processor HP at 45 fps. I got the GTX280 in but it is much larger than I was expecting and takes more power supply than I have. There's a bigger case with a high zoot power supply in the closet but no idea what other parts are there. I'll play with it at some point.

[NWN_baba yaga]

Thats an interesting point @Just-Me and i couldnt have said it better about these braindamaged and I-always-tell-anything-in-public people even they just smelled their own fart...

There is very little hope that this will change because the younger generations are born with this spirit of the time and the media and corporations do everything to manipulate them from the git-go...Some times i realy wish to take some idiot his stupid phone away and smash it on his head you know... you sit right next to a nobody and you have to hear his stories and things like "hey....i´m sitting in the train and you?"

All this makes me realize for the first time i´m getting old and lost the connection somehow and it feels good;)

Modifié par NWN_baba yaga, 30 octobre 2012 - 09:02 .

[Tim.G]

I put the ASUS 3.4 w/ the 9800gt on our LG 47" flatscreen at home with an HDMI cable and got close 100 FPS with custom content (latest release of Eye of the Beholder by Dark). I really liked the giant screen but oddly I think the monitor makes a better gaming experience. The resolution was 1920x and 1440x I think.
My guess is that processor speed makes a big difference but can't make up for a poor graphics card. None of the low profile cards that I have can compare with the full sized cards for performance

[Tim.G]

Crash!!!!!
Because I am stupid I took one of the Dell 3.4 Ghz that had an FX380 LP Quadro (generally 30-50 FPS on my favorite test screen) and put that GT430 in it's place because what harm could it do? Well, it did a lot as the GT430 couldn't even match 30fps so I put the FX380lp back in and something went wrong. Now the best I can get is 11fps. I tried rolling back the drivers and deleting all the Nvidia stuff and re-installing but after a day and a half I still don't have any success to show. I can't get the add/remove programs software to remove the Nvidia software and I think I have mutiple drivers in place but can't clear it out. I wish I had left it alone

[Tim.G]

I came up with an unorthodox solution to my messed up Dell, I bought a new Asus Win7 3.4 ghz system and added a refurb GTX280 with a Thermaltake 750w power supply. Initial testing last night indicates that it is a monster. I used the latest non beta Nvidia drivers 306something. One thing I noticed though was that during the flash screens at the beginning you can't click through them too quickly or it fails. It takes a minute to get through the screens. Once it is in the game it really does well.

[Gorath Alpha]

When new, The GTX 280 was a killer graphics card.  Given that nVIDIA is now concentrating on their still newer GTX 400, 500, and 600 GPUs, you will need to be wary (same as with a GT 9800) about automatically expecting every newest graphics driver to still work with the card, and with any games as old as this one now is.   

[Tim.G]

I bought a second GTX 280 (apparently the last one that they had at NewEgg) just to have a spare. Lucky thing as my wife's Dell 8400 (very old) had an X1300 512mb card that couldn't keep up with 4 players in Dark's Eye of the Beholder. I installed the spare with a 650watt Ultra power supply. On the toughest screen (foggy area by Dwarven pit) the FPS went from 8-12 to 60-100. This PC was bought in 2004 and is a single core 3.2ghz with XP Pro. I am amazed at how good it is doing with the new parts

[Gorath Alpha]

Tim.G wrote...

I bought a second GTX 280 (apparently the last one that they had at NewEgg) just to have a spare. Lucky thing as my wife's Dell 8400 (very old) had an X1300 512mb card that couldn't keep up with 4 players in Dark's Eye of the Beholder. I installed the spare with a 650watt Ultra power supply. On the toughest screen (foggy area by Dwarven pit) the FPS went from 8-12 to 60-100. This PC was bought in 2004 and is a single core 3.2ghz with XP Pro. I am amazed at how good it is doing with the new parts

Video Graphics cards have ALWAYS been the most important part of gaming PCs, but Intel keeps trying to convince everyone that CPUs are more important.  

I have made the 512 MB part of your comment stand out because it is so totally meaningless for an X1300, or a G-210, etc to have more than 128 MBs of VRAM.  

They are both way too slow, and have far too narrow (64 bit) of a memory system transfer width.  On a normal basis, they use 64 MB size texture units, and extremely rarely can swap two blocks that size back and forth, putting 128 MBs to work.  Anything past that is totally wasted at gaming animation rates.   Manufactrurers know that large numbers mislead the average customers, so they get a lot of the cheapest, lowest quality VRAM, and pile it on thick.  

If you really want 512 MBs of VRAM to be properly used, you get a solution with a 256 bit memory system, and / or very fast memory matched to a very fast core speed.  

[Jpnole]

AMD X4 965
Crossfired Gigabyte 6850s (haven't tried disabling)
Win 7 64
8 GB ram
1920x1080 24" Acer monitor

I have NWNCQ, NWShader, latest CEP & Community patch all running. Game looks and plays great. My only issue so far is NPCs can't be heard past the intro dialogue yet their heads shake and lips still move. Can't tell if this is normal or if I have sound issues.

[TimG]

Since Dark's sequel to Eye of the Beholder is available for playtest I have been trying to squeeze in some gaming time and that's meant some computer repair. I got a used GTX295 from ebay for my I7 2600 Systemax and it is the best NWN experience that I have had except for the PC at work which has a GTX670 with all kinds of extras. I got another GTX295 used for Pam's Dell and have been working on getting it together but it's had a string of problems. The new power supply she got for the GTX280 died (covered under warranty). Then the CPU fan quit (got one on ebay) and now a RAM chip has failed (removed chip, got it going, ordered new from Newegg). If the PC holds together I may try to upgrade the processor but I am starting to think that it won't last forever...

[T0r0]

Thinking about upgrading my amd drivers on my video card. Wanted to know if there are any specific reasons not to.
Think the latest catalyst is 13.xx.
I currently have 10.xx. And tho I normally wouldn't change something that isn't broke, I do have other programs that would benefit from newer drivers.

Win 7 64, with 955x4 amd CPU
Hd 5870

Basically i'm just looking for confirmation of petiole with the latest drivers having no problems

[TimG]

The old Dell isn't going to make it from the looks of things. Tiger Direct has a CyberPower with a GTX770 that looks pretty good. I hate to see the Dell go but I'm spending more time repairing than playing!

[werelynx]

Radeon HD7850 on XP SP3

Awful, game lags, metallic parts are see-through and antyaliasing seems to be turned off. Unplayable

See also: http://social.biowar...396319#17396319

So far couldn't find solution, so I discourage you from buying this card, especially if you have XP like me

[Gorath Alpha]

The fact of the matter is that an AMD Radeon HD 7850 is an excellent GPU. The drivers may leave something to be desired when playing in Open GL games such as KotOR and NWN1, but that has been true since about a year, maybe two years, from the game's release. The Radeon X1nnn generation was the last series of cards for which almost all of the (then-ATI) drivers worked well for NWN1.

Another Bioware game, Mass Effect, goes the other way. It is very Radeon-specific, and a huge percentage of Geforce drivers have always failed to run ME-1.

[TimG]

The old Dell has been replaced. Last night we set up an IBuyPower Paladin 3.70ghz Win7Pro with a GTX780 card. It is very satisfactory. FPS seems to be well over 100 on most screens with every setting maxed. I just copied the NWN folder over from the Dell and ran it from the icon in the folder. It was expensive but I expect it to last for a while.

[HipMaestro]

TimG wrote...
The old Dell has been replaced. Last night we set up an IBuyPower Paladin 3.70ghz Win7Pro with a GTX780 card. It is very satisfactory. FPS seems to be well over 100 on most screens with every setting maxed. I just copied the NWN folder over from the Dell and ran it from the icon in the folder. It was expensive but I expect it to last for a while.

Too bad about the Dell.   I know nothing about your new box but am happy to hear NWN is running well on it.  A few questions.

Is it a multicore config?

What is the ID of the driver you have installed?

Have you tried to use the toolset yet?

[TimG]

I copied the whole NWN folder over with no changes. I never made any settings change to go back to single core (the -1 thing). As far as I know it's running full multicore. The Nvidia Driver is 320.11 which is what it had on it out of the box. I haven't tried the toolset as I have no skill and haven't ever successfully used the toolset. The Paladin is a 3.70ghz and it looks like it is better than my Systemax 3.40 with a GTX295.
The old Dell was awesome with the GTX280 and factory Dell RAM chips. I wish I hadn't changed anything as that's when problems really started.
I was really scared of this GTX780 because it is the first Fermi card I have ever run but it seems great so far.
I think Win7 is the best OS for NWN in the Windows family but the install is tricky. I've had good results with the copy over from XP method so that's what I use.

[Master Jax]

Time for my two pennies. I have played NWN with four different systems. They have grown incrementally but I've noticed the deciding factor in performance has always been the videocard. First I had an MSI Nvidia chipset thing. I can't even remember the model name. It had 256 MB and worked. Of course, this was back in the early 2000's. Then I had the only Radeon I have bought, an HD 3870; 512 mb. Shiny water didn't work, sky textures were messed up, and I had regular crashes. That one baked and gave so many problems. Next was a Twin Razor GTS 250 Which was a huge improvement form the ATI. My current one is a Twin Razor GTX 285 with one Gig of memory. It works, it looks great, but like many have said, I experience 10-20 fps in open/high placeable areas. I also suffer the split-second freezing when creatures/items are spawned. I am tired of this.

Question is, has anyone tried playing NWN with a top of the line GTX 690? Also, is the difference really so great between the 285 and 295 you get 100 stable fps in the latter? That seems quite... unbelievable. Also, the point is moot as far as no one seems to share what modifications they have installed. My NWN is VERY enhanced to make it look far above original quality. Config options are overriden by the NVIDIA control panel in order to push them to a higher level of quality. It would be useful to know if people posting info are using vanilla game or some other additions, from low-stress like CEP to really high like Medieval City or Project Q haks.

[Tim.G]

I have some GTX 280 and GTX 295 cards and can't tell a real performance difference betwwen the two in most cases. The GTX780 in Pam's new PC is a monster. It runs better than anything else I've been around but her whole rig is top notch components. The GTX 670 at work is very good.
I think drivers and O/S matter a lot and the graphical upgrades REALLY drag a rig down. If you load up original Bioware content and then switch to current custom content even a top flight machine can bog down.
Nothing will give a stable 100 fps in a highly customized content area like the Cutlass Tavern in Udasu's Accursed Tower module. At least nothing I have will...
They say the 690 is a beast but picking the right driver and having a fast processor make a big difference.