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[Kandid001]

Sylvianus wrote...

I think it's better to complain to Bioware, personally. XD

It won't work though.

[Tenryu7]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

They're hunkered down in their bunker trying to weather the storm. And they sure aren't going to willingly say you have to have Origin on constantly, given the reaction here.

So we just need to bust EA's bunker huh?  Sounds like a plan

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Kandid001 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I think it's better to complain to Bioware, personally. XD

It won't work though.

Hmm, so what about the EULA changes that took place for Germany plus a double opt-out for a) the collection of in-game data and  receiving some EA newsletter (as far as I remember it was just a news letter) ?! Those did not occur?! tsk tsk tsk

Regarding Origin being forced upon those customers willing to buy& play it (on the PC platform), yes you are right.

But saying that no change is possible doesn't live up to the facts.

[Couscouss]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:12 .

[Icinix]

Chris Priestly wrote...
1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

Why? Why if I buy a physical copy, and only play single player, would I need this software?

We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Well, clearly you're not intent. Because if you were intent the players wouldn't need to have Origin.

Any download service that doesn't restrict your ability to connect directly with your customers? So any service that means you still have to have Origin?

So what is Origin doing that keeps you directly connected with your customers?

You have the forums, you have sales numbers, pre-order numbers, you have the whole damn internet. What the hell is so important about Origin that it must be a pre-requisite.

Wasn't one of the big things about previous DRM was that it installed something on your computer that you didn't want or need or ask for? Isn't this the same thing?

Modifié par Icinix, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:12 .

[Rudy Lis]

I haven’t written anything here in years (or ever?), so I’d like to sorry in advance, if my words will offend anyone. Epantiras disclaimer should go nicely.
 

Alex06 wrote...

In the other topic, someone replied to me that there is an offline Origin mode. but to do that, you need to start Origin and first be connected to the internet to log in. Offline mode is merely "appearing as offline", from what I've noticed. You're not REALLY offline. You still need an internet connection, which contradicts the "No internet connection required beyond the install authentification".

So I don't see why Origin will be required to constantly run so that you can play Mass Effect single player.

I'll also add that I care little for trying to push social features and social monitoring through to gamers. I want to play my games alone, even when I'm on vacation and no internet connection is available. Nothing's going to change my mind on that.

I'll second that.
*nerd rage mode on*
Origin is inferior to Steam in many ways. First, it is slower than Steam (even though I have many games in Steam and just 5 in Origin (well, ME3 doesn't released yet, my BF2 didn't recognized by Origin, and Pinnacle stations is just DLC). One and only thing Origin does faster (much faster) - is exiting. Second, it is less stable. Third, as Alex06 said, Origin has no off-line mode. I travel a lot, sometime I visit areas where one thing civilization provides is electric power - no running water or gas (yup, wood ovens, outhouse is... well, "out of house", over there, near fence (or you always can use bucket)), no cell-phone network, not even landline. Or, if landline is present, there is some old crappy apparatus, without any way to connect to Web. This is second reason, why I can't normally play DA2 (check release date, that's right, I still can't play it) - Origin/DA2 combo crashes too often (it behave like it is Bethesda product, not Bioware) and require reestablishing connection afterward. If I could see my laptop emotions at that moment, it probably asked me something like "WUT?" and make Jokerface.
BF3 start system is really that [censored] [skipped]. No kidding (I even surprised its opening just one browser, why not five - with fingerprint scanner, retinal scanner, rectal scanner and DNA analysis). But it has little to do with Bioware. Only serve as warning. You know, that old one "don't fix if it's not broken".
I suppose there is little they can do, they probably "subordinate" to EA, so they have little if any voice. And since most of us already pre-ordered game, all we can do is... Well, shut up and maintain formation:). And! Maybe avoid ordering something in future. DA3 is definitely fall in this category for me. Plus, no matter how many of us, "old gruffy pepperboxes" around here, it won't be us who will provide majority of buyers, and thus, sales - justifying almost anything they want.

La Sangreal wrote...

Please give us specifics as to why ME3 won't appear on steam. Being extremely vague about it only makes Bioware and EA look bad.

Most of us have come to the conclusion that EA wants exclusive rights to sell DLC. Valve changed its policies requiring DLC be sold AT LEAST through Steam, while still allowing it be sold through other vendors. If this is not the reason for the lack of Steam release, then please give the proper information.

Ask people from Eastern Europe about Bethesda products. I have no idea what they've (and we, BTW:)) done, but you can't buy any their title from Steam. Plus some titles from other companies, so maybe there is local (i.e. from East Europe) distributor involved, I'm not sure.
I don't get the idea of regional restrictions (BTW, which version of ME3 I will have, English or localized? I ordered digital via Origins and since their support hasn't answered once since they changed their support system I'd like to ask it here), neither I don't like idea of "exclusive distributor".
You want me to buy your game? Make me WANT to buy it from you. Not because there is "alphabet soup in "Credits" section, including people who broom floors in Tim Cain's office or ferry Coke to other Fallout developers". Not because it is involves "popular and well-known universe". Not because it is "groundshaking gameplay" (usually all groundshaking comes from you when you pounding on your floor with your fist in rage, because in your Insanity ME2 playthrough your Shepard get stucked in some stupid column after some stupid praetorian (or whatever). Not because there is "wow, look at this COOL GREAT UBERPOWER EXCLUSIVE IN-GAME CONTENT" ("and to make it greater, we nerf all items you imported from prequel" (don't even think about that, ya hear? If you'll made my Mattock less powerful than in ME2 I'll tell everyone that you are very, very, very bad people!)). Make me buy it from you by making it easier, simpler and involving less PITA to buy it from you. And definitely not by making some third-part software or rectal-acrobatics operations mandatory.
But in retrospective I find my words rather hilarious. If I disagree with Origin (I'm not, BTW, I disagree with it inferiority to Steam, so far at least), what the GECK I'm doing here? Why I bought those games in first place? Answer is simple - addiction (pack of Fixer anyone?). I really want to know what it'll be in the end. Will Shepard save his nuclear powered hamster from certain destruction or it is hamster, who was Reaper's spy all the way? And BTW, advanced future, FTL travels, nuclear powered hamster, but no decent automatic fish food dispenser? C'mon, even Soviet Union has some. Yes, it has size of T-80 power plant, but hey - it was automatic!

Oh, and final words. Bioware, stop diving, start climbing. Or at least - maintain altitude.
*nerd rage mode off*

[RKB28]

Would like to thank didymos1120 and Dragoonlordz for the clarification.

Thing is, I have two acounts, one for Fifa 2011 for the 360 and another created when instaling Origin on my pc for the BF3 demo.

Don´t really trust them, so close to ME3´s release I´m gonna create an acount specifically for ME3.

[theycallmeryan]

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam. I have said it before and I will say it again, I will not buy it if it isn't on Steam. Mass Effect 3 will be the top pirated title of 2012 (because it requires Origin and isn't on Steam) and EA will probably blame the consumers for being greedy instead of looking at themselves.

[Couscouss]

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:15 .

[Eudaimonium]

Thanks for answering my questions, in a time my slowish internet connection took to reload one page, two additional pages of this forum were already written Haven't seen that before.

There appears to be an incredible amount of hate for Origin around here - would you mind asking me why? I have never tried it out and have no problems trying it out for the sake of playing ME3 (Heh, I'd sell my spine for playing ME3 ) But then again, I haven't tried Steam. Those few original games I do have do not require distributor's clients to run.

[Couscouss]

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[Dragoonlordz]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Kandid001 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I think it's better to complain to Bioware, personally. XD

It won't work though.

Hmm, so what about the EULA changes that took place for Germany plus a double opt-out for a) the collection of in-game data and  receiving some EA newsletter (as far as I remember it was just a news letter) ?! Those did not occur?! tsk tsk tsk

Regarding Origin being forced upon those customers willing to buy& play it (on the PC platform), yes you are right.

But saying that no change is possible doesn't live up to the facts.

I'll put in a clear way, no change will happen. It is easy for EA to change wording in their EULA but they will not stop pushing their ideal for future being based on their own DD service. They own Bioware and they own ME3 by proxy. They are breaking no laws with their current DD service which is the same service as Steam and their EULA has now been reworded to comply with the laws in Germany where was a conflict. They have stated that this "WILL" not change and ME3 "WILL" come with Origin. There is by no means anywhere near enough people up set over this to impact EA directly. There is no outrage articles by mainstream media over ME3 being bundled with EA's version of Steam aka Origin and the loss in some sales from a small section of possible ME3 buyers is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the millions ME3 will sell and the truly insane amount of income EA makes from other sources.

[Tenryu7]

La Sangreal wrote...

Please give us specifics as to why ME3 won't appear on steam. Being extremely vague about it only makes Bioware and EA look bad.

^THIS^

Tell the community what's wrong and we can go complain to Steam about it if you have a valid argument.

[Dovahzaan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

BW is a subsidiary, not EA itself. BW is not in charge.

But at some point they chose to work for them. So I am always going to blame BioWare for this, not EA.

[Galad22]

It's too bad, but I refuse to use Origin for anything.

I guess this means that I am done with Bioware then.

[Dragoonlordz]

RKB28 wrote...

Would like to thank didymos1120 and Dragoonlordz for the clarification.

Thing is, I have two acounts, one for Fifa 2011 for the 360 and another created when instaling Origin on my pc for the BF3 demo.

Don´t really trust them, so close to ME3´s release I´m gonna create an acount specifically for ME3.

You can create another account for ME3 and I think there is no problem with that. If decide to merge the three accounts in future that is also possible by contacting EA who are known to allow this for people who own more than one account provided prove you are the owner of those accounts. 

[crimzontearz]

damn someone is really working hard to remove Couscouss' posts

[Couscouss]

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[Couscouss]

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[abaris]

Eudaimonium wrote...

There appears to be an incredible amount of hate for Origin around here - would you mind asking me why? I have never tried it out and have no problems trying it out for the sake of playing ME3 (Heh, I'd sell my spine for playing ME3 ) But then again, I haven't tried Steam. Those few original games I do have do not require distributor's clients to run.

Because it is data mining.

If you haven't got a problem with being figured out for future marketing by any corporation, you're probably fine. Meaning you should steer clear from google toolbars, yahoo toolbars, apps for your smartphone, smartphones in general, social networking sites using your real name and details, itunes - the lot.

I can say yes to all of the above. I steer clear, I don't need all of this junk. But many people take offense by Origin because it's EA which isn't the most valid of reasons.

[Sylvianus]

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

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[Couscouss]

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