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[_Guy_Fawkes_]

kofelover wrote...

Orionas wrote...

so lets start it over, does the game demands internet connection to install and play, at least for the first time?

Yes, see page 1 of this thread.

Regarding the installation Origin will have to be run for on-line authentication of your installation. Whether it needs to be active (has to reside on your harddrive for as long as you intend to play ME3, as the uninstallation question was answered as well) while playing remains yet to be answered.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:48 .

[Travie]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Im still missing evidence that this guy isnt an EA developer.... why is everyone convinced already?

Probably because Chris is giving us the only official answers, and he stated he was not an employee.  I do not think Chris would post something without fully vetting it out first just like all the other answers we've had to wait for.  But still, this is all very curious to say the least ....

And everyone knows that Chris was always telling the truth in the past? 

Don't blame him. If he doesn't tow their line he gets fired... 

[kofelover]

eyesofastorm wrote...

It could be settled easily enough by having an EA moderator (if they indeed have any of those) come on the EA board and either endorse or permaban this dmex character. I don't understand why that hasn't happened already.

It would seem, at a casual glance, that his original posts have been removed from this forum -- please tell me if I'm wrong, but all I see are references to his posts. 

Sooo, you're right - why haven't they (if they haven't) been removed from the EA forum.  I have never tread those waters so I can't be sure.

[Dragoonlordz]

Orionas wrote...

so lets start it over, does the game demands internet connection to install and play, at least for the first time?

maybe he didnt tryed to help people, but worn us most that the game we pre-order is an origin game.. Who knows.. To bring this mater on top..

Yes that is without doubt due to the online activation of the ME3 product.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:51 .

[Wittand25]

eyesofastorm wrote...
What I cannot figure out is what motivation anyone would have to pose as an EA employee and try to helpfully explain the function of Origin to concerned customers of EA. It is the strangest thing I've seen in a long, long time.

Well let´s see.
Quite a lot of people seemed rather eager to instanly download this OpenOrigin. Now let´s assume that not all of those would be tech savy enough to realise that they downloaded real malware from an unknown provider through a unverified source.
Even if it only works in one out of hundret cases it does seems like a great way to infect the PCs of people technophil enough that they will use the PC to handle sensible data, but not tech savy enough to see through the scam.

In other word this is possibly just a more complicated version of the "You inherited a diamond mine in Namibia, send money for court fines" email that goes around.

Modifié par Wittand25, 20 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[kofelover]

Wittand25 wrote...

eyesofastorm wrote...
What I cannot figure out is what motivation anyone would have to pose as an EA employee and try to helpfully explain the function of Origin to concerned customers of EA. It is the strangest thing I've seen in a long, long time.

Well let´s see.
Quite a lot of people seemed rather eager to instanly download this OpenOrigin. No let´s assume that not all of those would be tech savy enough to realise that they downloaded real malware from an unknown provider through a unverified source.
Even if it only works in one out of hundret cases it does seems like a great way to infect the PCs of people technophil enough that they will use the PC to handle sensible data, but not tech savy enough to see through the scam.

In other word this is possibly just a more complicated version of the "You inherited a diamond mine in Namibia, send money for court fines" email that goes around.

Sadly, I would fall into that category.  I am not tech savvy enough to do anything other than download the program (preferrably with instructions, hehe).  I may have fallen for it because I would really like to find a legitimate alternative to the current state of Origin.  Still, the whole thing just never felt right -- it just seemed to fly in the face of everything EA was trying to do with Origin which just didn't (and doesn't) make sense.

[kofelover]

I really hope Chris (or someone official) will elaborate further before all the conspiracy theories take off -- although they can be quite entertaining and, at times, thought provoking.

[kofelover]

This is what has been posted (in part) today on the EA forum (yes, I broke down and went over to take a look:

**********
From a Forum User:

Chris Priestly from Bioware claims that Dmex is not an EA developer.

Reader beware

From Forum User:

DMEX how do you explain THAT:

http://social.biowar...6121/98#9027937

DMEX how do you explain THAT:

http://social.biowar...6121/98#9027937


From DMEX:

Chris Priestly from Bioware did not follow correct procedures.

As you can see below my username, It says Developer, only official staff are allowed these titles.

DMEX how do you explain THAT:

http://social.biowar...6121/98#9027937


From Forum User:

Chris Priestly from Bioware did not follow correct procedures.

As you can see below my username, It says Developer, only official staff are allowed these titles.

That exactly what i said. So your "Open Origin" isnt a fake?! I am serious - this matters alot to your "Anti-Origin/DRM" movement in germany!

http://theorigin.de

From DMEX:

That exactly what i said. So your "Open Origin" isnt a fake?!

No, It's not fake.

From Forum User:

So Open Origin will be finished around when?

From DMEX:

There's a few minor issues with the friends list and and installing games that I think need to be sorted, I also have to setup a forum and bug tracker for handling support queries and bugs.

Bar those few things, There's a few other issues some wish to discuss before I have management blessing and I'm able to release anything

From Forum User:

dmex is not an EA employee and what he claims is not valid...

http://social.biowar...6121/98#9027937

Guess EA doesn't care about their forums at all.

*******

What in the world is going on? These posts were from today (and not long ago from what I can tell but it's a different time zone so I just don't know). How can he still be posting? He's essentially calling out Chris????

Modifié par kofelover, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:37 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Well the forum user comments mean nothing, as they know nothing more than repeating what the other two people Chris and Dmex said.

[sackyhack]

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

Modifié par sackyhack, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:45 .

[kofelover]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Well the forum user comments mean nothing, as they know nothing more than repeating what the other two people Chris and Dmex said.

Yes, but this DMEX was making these statements after Chris stated he wasn't an employee.  I just don't get it.

[silentoption]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

Most pc gamers in general are that narrow minded you should check out yougamers.com forum about Origin and BF3 issue. They 100% bias against EA.

[kofelover]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

As far as my post goes, I simply said I was one of those non-tech savvy people who knows nothing about programming.  I don't know of anyone here who stated that they were ready to go out and download this persons program.  Obviously, before anyone would do that, they would get clarification that this was, in fact, an EA sponsored product that would be downloaded from EA's website.  At least, that's what I would have done.

Modifié par kofelover, 20 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .

[Dragoonlordz]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that is could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

He does have Developer title under his name on the EA forums though, so none of us know why that would be unless some elaborate hacking of EA forums and upgraded his own user account. Which would be odd to still be posting there if this was the case since the other EA employees would of noticed by now. Then we have Chris of Bioware saying he is not a EA employee. I don't think any of us know the real answer one way or other.

On the other issue I have no problems with Origin, I think it's just as good to me as Steam because I use both but rarely buy games from either stores even though I do buy some when feel like it from each. I don't mind an (Opt Out / Opt In function inside the client for certain data transmission) though since won't affect me anyways, that has my verbal support. No chance of me cancelling my orders, I want the game and their fight is not my fight.

I do however think maximum they will get is Opt Out/Opt In function at later date after release of the game or if this guy Dmex is legit maybe an alternative client (but will do same thing only will come with some source code they can gander at). The no client no sale ones though I do not think will get what they want at all (nothing against them asking for it but just saying I do not think they will get that).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 20 janvier 2012 - 11:00 .

[kofelover]

Dragoonlordz

It is curious..

I think most people would be happy with an "Opt-Out" provision. As I stated on the previous thread, I have a gaming machine so there is nothing to scan but game files. For me, it's really just the principle. I also use Steam and have opted-in for their data scan several times. I just would like the option. The other thing for me just comes down to trust.

[eyesofastorm]

kofelover wrote...

Dragoonlordz

It is curious..

I think most people would be happy with an "Opt-Out" provision. As I stated on the previous thread, I have a gaming machine so there is nothing to scan but game files. For me, it's really just the principle. I also use Steam and have opted-in for their data scan several times. I just would like the option. The other thing for me just comes down to trust.

I would *not* be happy with an opt-out provision being the only concession that EA makes on this matter, but it is the minimally acceptable condition under which I would be willing to buy and play ME3.  

[Pupuppu]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

This dmex guy is posting on the EA forums for more than a month, handing out patches to users and so on, and EA seems to be perfectly fine with it and you put the blame on the users?

[kofelover]

eyesofastorm wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Dragoonlordz

It is curious..

I think most people would be happy with an "Opt-Out" provision. As I stated on the previous thread, I have a gaming machine so there is nothing to scan but game files. For me, it's really just the principle. I also use Steam and have opted-in for their data scan several times. I just would like the option. The other thing for me just comes down to trust.

I would *not* be happy with an opt-out provision being the only concession that EA makes on this matter, but it is the minimally acceptable condition under which I would be willing to buy and play ME3.  

Fair enough -- ' minimally satisfied' might have been a better expression.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I have no particular objections regarding Origin.  As yet, I don't know how they handle details like patching, so I cannot compare them to Steam (which I think handles patching incredibly badly).

But one pair of answers from Chris confuses me, so I thought I'd ask:

Chris Priestly wrote...

2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game.

9)Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

If Origin isn't doing anything after that first authorisation, why does it need to be installed after that?  Particularly since you say that Origin doesn't require an internet connection beyond that initial authorisation.

So there's no way EA knows whether we have origin installed, and there's no benefit to EA to forcing us to have Origin installed if Origin never sees the internet again.

These two things don't make any sense together.  After installed and authorising ME3, I'm tempted to block Origin's access to the internet just to see what happens.  If the game still works, then Origin's just taking up space for no reason.  If the game doesn't work, then your answers here are not correct.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 20 janvier 2012 - 11:10 .

[AlanC9]

Steam works the same way. I can't uninstall Steam and still play HL2, but I can set it to work offline.

Which doesn't mean that either program has a good reason for working the way it does.

[didymos1120]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

If Origin isn't doing anything after that first authorisation, why does it need to be installed after that?  Particularly since you say that Origin doesn't require an internet connection beyond that initial authorisation.

I can venture a guess, based on the fact that I've got digital versions of the ME and DA games: after activation, the licenses are stored in one of Origin's folders. Uninstall and they probably go with it.  Basically, it's an artificial way to make it "necessary".  This definitely needs to be tested, but, honestly, I just don't wanna be the guinea pig that has to re-download his/her games.

[Bostur]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

How did you reach that conclusion?

Everyone was not paranoid about EA going through their files. It was one concern among several, and a very reasonable concern considering Origin's past activities.

No random guy came along, a guy with the same name and writing style as someone with an EA developer tag on the EA forum. That guy never made any offers and clearly stated that OpenOrigin, which was his personal project, wasn't yet ready or accepted by EA.

Also whatever offer he didn't make wasn't completely opposite of EA's stance. Among the things he said there were some inconsistencies, but those have been pretty common in everything EA has communicated.

You do have a very vivid imagination ;-)

Whether dmex is for real or not is still unknown. Not that it really matters much, but some of the things he said was interesting, and it could be useful to have it confirmed or denied.

[Pupuppu]

kofelover wrote...

Yes, but this DMEX was making these statements after Chris stated he wasn't an employee.  I just don't get it.

He is still posting on the EA forums:

This is not true at all, As you can see by the
Developer rank just below my username. Only official staff working for
EA have access to this ranking.



Chris did not offer me the chance to identify myself before
proceeding to make that claim and ban my account, My team leader has
been in meetings with the Edmonton studio executives to have this issue
resolved ASAP.



That said, This is an interesting public display of the banning
issues even us staff have to endure when other staff don't follow
procedures.

Modifié par Pupuppu, 20 janvier 2012 - 11:24 .

[Acrylium]

I have a few questions regarding Origin before I buy "Mass Effect 3":

• Does Origin gather any information about other software installed on my computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)?
• Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?
• Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?
• May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?
• Will it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on my computer and Origin finds these games?
• Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?
• How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?
• What happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy company too...)

[JosephCurwen]

dmex wrote...

Forbidden wrote...  
That very thread you pointed to mentioned that you were actually banned at one point, and the only way you could play your games again was because you worked for EA and got your manager involved!  Consider how insane that sounds from someone sitting on our side of the fence.  If you didn't work for EA and couldn't get your own management involved, you'd still be banned.  Is it so hard to understand why we have trouble trusting EA?

Yes, Support staff where unable to verify my identify and where right to not unban my account (else anyone can say their an EA developer and get unbanned), contacting the internal management teams was the correct action for staff in that situation.  

If this guy isn't for real then he imitates corporate BS better than anybody else I've ever encountered! This particular exchange is a real classic, he just ignores the actual question altogether and makes his own statement praising those brave, brave souls at EA.

I reckon he's probably for real.