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[Pupuppu]

JosephCurwen wrote...

If this guy isn't for real then he imitates corporate BS better than anybody else I've ever encountered! This particular exchange is a real classic, he just ignores the actual question altogether and makes his own statement praising those brave, brave souls at EA.

I reckon he's probably for real.

Would be interesting to know how Chris Priestly came to the conclusion, that his statements are not valid, if he really is what he claims to be.
At least everything he stated makes sense and some of the stuff goes back to 2004.

[Siegdrifa]

Pupuppu wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Yes, but this DMEX was making these statements after Chris stated he wasn't an employee.  I just don't get it.

He is still posting on the EA forums:

This is not true at all, As you can see by the
Developer rank just below my username. Only official staff working for
EA have access to this ranking.



Chris did not offer me the chance to identify myself before
proceeding to make that claim and ban my account, My team leader has
been in meetings with the Edmonton studio executives to have this issue
resolved ASAP.



That said, This is an interesting public display of the banning
issues even us staff have to endure when other staff don't follow
procedures.

For him being able to continu to post on EA forum hours after what happend here is strange indeed, but from what i remember (when there was all this problem of ban with DA2 on the forum that made unable the customer to play their game), Bioware stated it wasn't on their hands, they don't have the power technicaly to ban / block the whole EA account (account + games).

So, if the guy is a fake, he is enjoyng his moment until EA modo sort this out... and so it is really slow, the guy post on EA forum since weeks, and even sent (about BF3 and Origin) patch by pm to other user.
like i said, if he is a fake, it would be very dangerous (he could have sent malware etc), and it's unlicky that no EA modo is not aware of this story by now, so, for a security matter i would have though the account would be suspended until everything is sorted out.

[JosephCurwen]

Pupuppu wrote...

JosephCurwen wrote...

dmex wrote...

Forbidden wrote...  
That
very thread you pointed to mentioned that you were actually banned at
one point, and the only way you could play your games again was because
you worked for EA and got your manager involved!  Consider how insane
that sounds from someone sitting on our side of the fence.  If you
didn't work for EA and couldn't get your own management involved, you'd
still be banned.  Is it so hard to understand why we have trouble
trusting EA?

Yes, Support staff where unable to verify my
identify and where right to not unban my account (else anyone can say
their an EA developer and get unbanned), contacting the internal
management teams was the correct action for staff in that situation.  

If
this guy isn't for real then he imitates corporate BS better than
anybody else I've ever encountered! This particular exchange is a real
classic, he just ignores the actual question altogether and makes his
own statement praising those brave, brave souls at EA.

I reckon he's probably for real.

Would be interesting to know how Chris Priestly came to the conclusion, that his statements are not valid, if he really is what he claims to be.
At least everything he stated makes sense and some of the stuff goes back to 2004.

Hey, maybe he's just an awesome troll, I'm not denying the possibility.

That's just not the way I'd be betting right now is all I'm saying.

[Wittand25]

Well he did claim not to work for EA on october 31, 2011. And the picture he uses as avatar got uploaded on december 16, 2011.
Also his nickname does not follow the usual rule of EA-whatever that EA employes usually have there.

Also I can not believe that when he started to work for EA that he had to sign a secrecy agreement, which would basically make his work on OpenOrigin or even just the way he posts impossible.

Modifié par Wittand25, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

If Origin isn't doing anything after that first authorisation, why does it need to be installed after that?  Particularly since you say that Origin doesn't require an internet connection beyond that initial authorisation.

I can venture a guess, based on the fact that I've got digital versions of the ME and DA games: after activation, the licenses are stored in one of Origin's folders. Uninstall and they probably go with it.  Basically, it's an artificial way to make it "necessary".  This definitely needs to be tested, but, honestly, I just don't wanna be the guinea pig that has to re-download his/her games.

Okay.  That would be basically the same thing Microsoft did when they first "integrated" Internet Explorer into Windows.

Though, as you describe it, that wouldn't actually require that Origin stay installed.  That would only require that some of Origin's data remain behind.  It would be interesting to poke around to see exactly what's going on in there.

[didymos1120]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

If Origin isn't doing anything after that first authorisation, why does it need to be installed after that?  Particularly since you say that Origin doesn't require an internet connection beyond that initial authorisation.

I can venture a guess, based on the fact that I've got digital versions of the ME and DA games: after activation, the licenses are stored in one of Origin's folders. Uninstall and they probably go with it.  Basically, it's an artificial way to make it "necessary".  This definitely needs to be tested, but, honestly, I just don't wanna be the guinea pig that has to re-download his/her games.

Okay.  That would be basically the same thing Microsoft did when they first "integrated" Internet Explorer into Windows.

Though, as you describe it, that wouldn't actually require that Origin stay installed.  That would only require that some of Origin's data remain behind.  It would be interesting to poke around to see exactly what's going on in there.

Yeah, I think know what you're thinking, because I've been thinking about it too.  And more than that I shall not say for to spare our ever-vigilant moderators.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I just like to know how my computer is behaving.  It's my computer. I should be able to know everything that's happening in it.

Modifié par Sylvius the Mad, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:11 .

[didymos1120]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I just like to know how my computer is behaving.  It's my computer. I should be able to know everything that's happening in it.

Well, I was speaking in terms of having actual specific ideas to try out, and I was guessing that the same things have also occurred to you.

[billy the squid]

Wittand25 wrote...

Well he did claim not to work for EA on october 31, 2011. And the picture he uses as avatar got uploaded on december 16, 2011.
Also his nickname does not follow the usual rule of EA-whatever that EA employes usually have there.

Also I can not believe that when he started to work for EA that he had to sign a secrecy agreement, which would basically make his work on OpenOrigin or even just the way he posts impossible.

That's fairly standard employment terms in such situations. For instance if he develops something using certain Origin code, whilst working at EA, being paid by EA to reserach something and an offshoot occurs. Then EA owns the IP in question and benefits from it, not him.

The principles are more specific as to when a company will acquire the IP right, but I can't remember them off the top of my head and I really don't feel like flicking through my notes to find them at the moment.

[Forbidden]

sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.

Ar you familiar with the concept of Open Source?  ( http://en.wikipedia....iki/Open_source ) 

He promised an open source version, specifically licensed as GPLv3.  If that's the case, anyone could read and modify the code.  A very simple version of it stripped down to the bare essential authorization element could then be done.  Again, with the source code viewable.  Anyone could look at the code and see if it was doing anything untoward.  Of course, the vast majority of users would not do this, but I'm betting there are enough programmers who are knowledgable enough would be looking at it and even one of them flagging something wrong in the code would bring quite a bit of attention in a hurry.

[Pupuppu]

Wittand25 wrote...

Well he did claim not to work for EA on october 31, 2011. And the picture he uses as avatar got uploaded on december 16, 2011.
Also his nickname does not follow the usual rule of EA-whatever that EA employes usually have there.

He engaged in the Origin discussion on the EA forum quite recently, maybe he wanted to give his words more weight?
Then again, where did he get his Developer title from?

Also I can not believe that when he started to work for EA that he had to sign a secrecy agreement, which would basically make his work on OpenOrigin or even just the way he posts impossible.

He said that his work done on OpenOrigin was coordinated with the management and open source development for EA is nothing new. They offer the altered sources at gpl.ea.com.
Then again he associated the OpenOrigin project to a quite popular and well known sourceforge project. Why should he do this, if he doesn't want to ruin everything he build up there over the years?

The problem I see, if this guy is legit, and from all I read it looks to be, he got smeard with a lot of bad reputation that may have a backlash in reallife. He was offering honest, uncensored by the PR department advice on Origin issues and I'm grateful for that.
On the other hand, if he is a fraudster, ignore everything above, but at the moment I don't think so.
 

[Chris Priestly]

Hi everyone… a quick update:

Earlier today we had a person named Dmex start posting in the Origin thread claiming to be an EA employee who answered questions and discussed Origin.

When I learned of this person claiming to be an EA employee, I began an investigation.  We take people claiming to be staff posting to the public very seriously as we want to make sure those claiming to work for BioWare or EA actually are employees.  This individual did not show up in EA Employee lists, nor were standard EA procedures for staff postings used. When in doubt our standard practice is to err on the side of caution in an effort to prevent folks from being mislead….so we have temporarily banned the account until we are sure of all the details. 

After further research I can now confirm that Dmex is an external contractor who is working with the EA Origin team on security issues.  We are working with his management to further clarify his working relationship with EA,  and hope to resolve this soon.

[Forbidden]

billy the squid wrote...

That's fairly standard employment terms in such situations. For instance if he develops something using certain Origin code, whilst working at EA, being paid by EA to reserach something and an offshoot occurs. Then EA owns the IP in question and benefits from it, not him.

The principles are more specific as to when a company will acquire the IP right, but I can't remember them off the top of my head and I really don't feel like flicking through my notes to find them at the moment.

Its quite common for many open source projects to have employees of various companies working on them and contributing to open source.  In fact, it would be a major coup on EA's part if they made Origin open source.  Not only would they gain enhancements from contributors, but also likely get interoperability with other systems and pretty much entirely erase the mistrust of Origin itself. 

Which is probably the best argument against it being true.  EA isn't that smart.

[shepskisaac]

The plot thickens. *fingers crossed for superior Open Origin!*

[devSin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I can now confirm that Dmex is an external contractor

Not for long!

How about working on the questions like those posted here, and let HR handle that other nonsense.

:-)

Modifié par devSin, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[Ottemis]

 Thanks for the update Chris Priestly =)

Modifié par Ottemis, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[Pupuppu]

TankingTick wrote...

I missed the conversations. So whats going on now? Some guy claiming to be an EA employee is saying that they're making Origin impossible to sandbox?

Nope, a guy working for EA on Origin said sandboxing is fine.

Modifié par Pupuppu, 21 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

The plot thickens. *fingers crossed for superior Open Origin!*

Oh hellz yes.

I might be able to buy the game for PC after all!

[eyesofastorm]

Chris Priestly wrote...

When in doubt our standard practice is to err on the side of caution in an effort to prevent folks from being mislead….so we have temporarily banned the account until we are sure of all the details. 

Not to pile on, but I have to point out the irony... rather than misleading customers, this guy is the ONLY one actually having an open and honest dialogue with us about exactly what Origin does... and he got banned.  Beautiful.

[Siegdrifa]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi everyone… a quick update:

Earlier today we had a person named Dmex start posting in the Origin thread claiming to be an EA employee who answered questions and discussed Origin.

When I learned of this person claiming to be an EA employee, I began an investigation.  We take people claiming to be staff posting to the public very seriously as we want to make sure those claiming to work for BioWare or EA actually are employees.  This individual did not show up in EA Employee lists, nor were standard EA procedures for staff postings used. When in doubt our standard practice is to err on the side of caution in an effort to prevent folks from being mislead….so we have temporarily banned the account until we are sure of all the details. 

After further research I can now confirm that Dmex is an external contractor who is working with the EA Origin team on security issues.  We are working with his management to further clarify his working relationship with EA,  and hope to resolve this soon.

Damn Chris ! i bet my money on you earlier !

... no wait ... external contractor ...
Ok it's safe, you weren't wrong ...
In the worst case let's call it a draw  : )

[Computer_God91]

Acrylium wrote...

I have a few questions regarding Origin before I buy "Mass Effect 3":

• Does Origin gather any information about other software installed on my computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)?
• Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?
• Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?
• May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?
• Will it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on my computer and Origin finds these games?
• Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?
• How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?
• What happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy company too...)

the answers to these questions may get me to buy this game.

[didymos1120]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

When in doubt our standard practice is to err on the side of caution in an effort to prevent folks from being mislead….so we have temporarily banned the account until we are sure of all the details. 

Not to pile on, but I have to point out the irony... rather than misleading customers, this guy is the ONLY one actually having an open and honest dialogue with us about exactly what Origin does... and he got banned.  Beautiful.

There's a screenplay in there somewhere.

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Acrylium wrote...

I have a few questions regarding Origin before I buy "Mass Effect 3":

• Does Origin gather any information about other software installed on my computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)?
• Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?
• Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?
• May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?
• Will it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on my computer and Origin finds these games?
• Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?
• How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?
• What happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy company too...)

the answers to these questions may get me to buy this game.

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