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[casadechrisso]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Exactly , I can gurantee the situation is being taken care of now.He could get/be fired , pulled from the project or they just shut down open origin.

I'm afraid that might be true. Knowing EA I share this pessimism (rather, realism).  <_<

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Merkar wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Open origin by it's very nature seems not credible.Why would EA allow an open source client ? , the answer is they wouldn't.Even if dmex is employee , he's sure to get fired for revealing this information without going through procedures.Which he could now be an ex-employee who hacked their forums and is trying bait people into using software that might actually steal private information.

The final out being it makes Bioware(bad) and EA look even more worse.

(Update):External contractor is means he's already broken the rules for , even showing information.

Let me get this straight. You think openness and straightforward communication with users is bad? And therefore that employee should be punished?

No , but theirs a reason companies have procedures.Procedures protect the company as well as the customer.When you don't abide by those rules false/mis-leading information could be leaked for something that was only planned but not executed.

I'm for openiness as long as it doesn't break the rules and a company/customer doesn't pay the price for it.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 21 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[Lux]

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, you should and here's why: if they somehow see this as threatening, they could decide to just shut it down.  Bye-bye OpenOrigin.  Your own self-interest will not be served if they decide this is more trouble than it's worth.

Hard to believe that OpenOrign hadn't been green lighted beforehand and was all work of a rogue contractor/employee.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Merkar wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Well, you should and here's why: if they somehow see this as threatening, they could decide to just shut it down.  Bye-bye OpenOrigin.  Your own self-interest will not be served if they decide this is more trouble than it's worth.

Hard to believe that OpenOrign hadn't been green lighted beforehand and was all work of a rogue contractor/employee.

Greenlighted for information that's known only in the company , I'm pretty sure this guy signed a contract to not leak information.His failure to do so can result in him being fired and the project he's on shut down.

[Lux]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

No , but theirs a reason companies have procedures.Procedures protect the company as well as the customer.When you don't abide by those rules false/mis-leading information could be leaked for something that was only planned but not executed.

I'm for openiness as long as it doesn't break the rules and a company/customer doesn't pay the price for it.

Ok. But as I indicated before, OpenOrigin was already being discussed in the Origin forum before news of that got to this thread. I don't think anyone would've been allowed to continue to discuss this if proper procedures weren't followed.

[tishyw]

didymos1120 wrote...

tishyw wrote...

I agree, but I was responding to Imnohater who I think was looking at it more from EA's point of view.  I was pointing out that I really don't give a toss about any real or imaged damage to EA's image.

Well, you should and here's why: if they somehow see this as threatening, they could decide to just shut it down.  Bye-bye OpenOrigin.  Your own self-interest will not be served if they decide this is more trouble than it's worth.

My own self-interest - really?  I didn't realise that expressing the hope that Dmex wouldn't be punished for helping us and praising him for being open with us was a display of self-interest.

And you seem to be working from the theory that EA were unaware that he'd been talking about OpenOrigin on their forums for some time, which I actually think is unlikely.  You seem to be assuming that he's behaved in an unprofessional manner, and I don't think we've seem any proof of that.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Merkar wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

No , but theirs a reason companies have procedures.Procedures protect the company as well as the customer.When you don't abide by those rules false/mis-leading information could be leaked for something that was only planned but not executed.

I'm for openiness as long as it doesn't break the rules and a company/customer doesn't pay the price for it.

Ok. But as I indicated before, OpenOrigin was already being discussed in the Origin forum before news of that got to this thread. I don't think anyone would've been allowed to continue to discuss this if proper procedures weren't followed.

Yeah , but he showed off a pic.Pictures and video's are prohibited until the company officially announces the project.So he still broke his contract he signed not to leak information for secret projects.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

tishyw wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

tishyw wrote...

I agree, but I was responding to Imnohater who I think was looking at it more from EA's point of view.  I was pointing out that I really don't give a toss about any real or imaged damage to EA's image.

Well, you should and here's why: if they somehow see this as threatening, they could decide to just shut it down.  Bye-bye OpenOrigin.  Your own self-interest will not be served if they decide this is more trouble than it's worth.

My own self-interest - really?  I didn't realise that expressing the hope that Dmex wouldn't be punished for helping us and praising him for being open with us was a display of self-interest.

And you seem to be working from the theory that EA were unaware that he'd been talking about OpenOrigin on their forums for some time, which I actually think is unlikely.  You seem to be assuming that he's behaved in an unprofessional manner, and I don't think we've seem any proof of that.

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

[Lux]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Ok. But as I indicated before, OpenOrigin was already being discussed in the Origin forum before news of that got to this thread. I don't think anyone would've been allowed to continue to discuss this if proper procedures weren't followed.

Yeah , but he showed off a pic.Pictures and video's are prohibited until the company officially announces the project.So he still broke his contract he signed not to leak information for secret projects.

That's your assumption which I don't agree with. Let's leave it at that.

What I think happened in this thread in particular was lack of communication between dmex and Chris, as in:

Dmex: "Chris, do you mind if I answer questions about Origin?"
Teh Evil One: "Dmex, who the heck are you and what are you doing?"

Combined with more lack of communication and information between departments.

Cheers.

Modifié par Merkar, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:04 .

[tishyw]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

tishyw wrote...

And you seem to be working from the theory that EA were unaware that he'd been talking about OpenOrigin on their forums for some time, which I actually think is unlikely.  You seem to be assuming that he's behaved in an unprofessional manner, and I don't think we've seem any proof of that.

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

You don't know that!  You're assuming it based on nothing other than that Chris didn't know he worked for EA!  Since Dmex is based in Australia and Chris in the US that's hardly surprising.

We need to stop speculating about any damage, real or imaginary, that this has done to EA and get back on topic.

So, Chris, is there any change of someone telling us why EA won't let us opt out of Origin scanning our computer and sending the information back to EA?  Thanks.

[kofelover]

Acrylium wrote...

I have a few questions regarding Origin before I buy "Mass Effect 3":

• Does Origin gather any information about other software installed on my computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)? 
• Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?
• Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?
• May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?
• Will it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on my computer and Origin finds these games?
• Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?
• How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?
• What happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy company too...)

This seems to be a fairly comprehensive list.  Anything else??

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

tishyw wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

tishyw wrote...

And you seem to be working from the theory that EA were unaware that he'd been talking about OpenOrigin on their forums for some time, which I actually think is unlikely.  You seem to be assuming that he's behaved in an unprofessional manner, and I don't think we've seem any proof of that.

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

You don't know that!  You're assuming it based on nothing other than that Chris didn't know he worked for EA!  Since Dmex is based in Australia and Chris in the US that's hardly surprising.

We need to stop speculating about any damage, real or imaginary, that this has done to EA and get back on topic.

So, Chris, is there any change of someone telling us why EA won't let us opt out of Origin scanning our computer and sending the information back to EA?  Thanks.

I don't know , but I'm telling you what happens when you break company rules and break a game company nda contract.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:08 .

[Dragoonlordz]

I think only two things he might even get in trouble for (if even does) will be contradicting another employee who was/is probably under guidelines what information to release. The only other thing I think (maybe) get in trouble for is the whole giving people the source code aspect.

Even if legitimate project no company really wants to give people the source code, I know scripting I have done in past for employers when automating their entire customer database and invoicing systems as well as indexing software, would rake me over the coals if I released such code to the public. Competitors may pick it up, or others may use it to create cracks or bypass something it does.

Those are the only two things (if) gets in trouble, that I think could get in trouble for maybe.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:09 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think only two things he might even get in trouble for (if even does) will be contradicting another employee who was/is probably under guidelines what information to release. The only other thing I think (maybe) get in trouble for is the whole giving people the source code aspect.

Even if legitimate project no company really wants to give people the source code, I know scripting I have done in past for employers when automating their entire customer database and invoicing systems as well as indexing software, would rake me over the coals if I released such code to the public. Competitors may pick it up, or others may use it to create cracks or bypass something it does.

Those are the only two things (if) gets in trouble, that I think could get in trouble for maybe.

Yep , if nothing happens to him fine but the guy/girl clearly has broken some rules.

[didymos1120]

tishyw wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

tishyw wrote...

I agree, but I was responding to Imnohater who I think was looking at it more from EA's point of view.  I was pointing out that I really don't give a toss about any real or imaged damage to EA's image.

Well, you should and here's why: if they somehow see this as threatening, they could decide to just shut it down.  Bye-bye OpenOrigin.  Your own self-interest will not be served if they decide this is more trouble than it's worth.

My own self-interest - really? 

Yeah, really: if he pissed off the bosses, they could kill the project.

I didn't realise that expressing the hope that Dmex wouldn't be punished for helping us and praising him for being open with us was a display of self-interest.

Not remotely what I was saying or implying.  I was saying you should care if EA's image gets damaged by this because a damaged image (or just the perception of such on EA's part) will cause them to act defensively. You know: responding to what you actually said in your post? 

Anyway, for a corporation that includes doing stuff like killing projects and firing contractors. And is self-interest really so hard a concept to grasp?  Do you not want to see OpenOrigin? If you do want that,  then something that jeopardizes that is against your self-interest.

And you seem to be working from the theory that EA were unaware that he'd been talking about OpenOrigin on their forums for some time, which I actually think is unlikely.  You seem to be assuming that he's behaved in an unprofessional manner, and I don't think we've seem any proof of that.

Not assuming anything, and don't have a theory.  Whether or not they were unaware or not is irrelevant.  Whether or not I think he did anything wrong is irrelevant.  What matters if what EA thinks now and what they decide to do about it, and if they think their image is somehow damaged by what he did, regardless of whether that belief is justified, the result will not be good for either dmex or us.  Get it yet?

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:15 .

[Lux]

tishyw wrote...

You don't know that!  You're assuming it based on nothing other than that Chris didn't know he worked for EA!  Since Dmex is based in Australia and Chris in the US that's hardly surprising.

Chris is Canadian btw and is merrily working in BioWare's main office in Edmonton, Canada since before the Big Bang.

Hope we'll get better anwers in before the universe dies off and a new Big Bang kicks in.

[Dragoonlordz]

Merkar wrote...

tishyw wrote...

You don't know that!  You're assuming it based on nothing other than that Chris didn't know he worked for EA!  Since Dmex is based in Australia and Chris in the US that's hardly surprising.

Chris is Canadian btw and is merrily working in BioWare's main office in Edmonton, Canada since before the Big Bang.

Hope we'll get better anwers in before the universe dies off and a new Big Bang kicks in.

As long as I get to play ME3 before that happens, I'll be happy enough. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:16 .

[tishyw]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I don't know , but I'm telling you what happens when you break company rules and break a game company nda contract.

I don 't mean to be rude, but I suspect that you're not telling anyone anything they don't already know.  What you are doing is speculating based on very little information.

Let it go, we need to get this thread back on topic or it will be closed.

Merkar wrote...

Chris is Canadian btw and is merrily working in BioWare's main office in Edmonton, Canada since before the Big Bang.

Hope we'll get better anwers in before the universe dies off and a new Big Bang kicks in.

I was sure if he was in the US or Canada, but to us Aussies it's all the same thing

Modifié par tishyw, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[Siegdrifa]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

First, you don't know his contract, stop assuming what he can or can't do.
Second, Open-Origin could be totaly legal; if you think that all software are made at 100% by coding everything you are wrong ! often it's shorter to use already existing library, sadly sometimes, some free one are not mentionned when the software is complet.

By that means and if he worked on this project outside his workplace, EA have no claim over this software using open source coding, this is not a hack !

If EA don't like it, they can always change the coding part of Origin to make sure Open-Origin is not compatible unless it break a copyrigh.

Last, you claim he leaked info, picture, video... what proof do you have that they are leaks ? none, you are assuming things without knowing the real limits of those projects.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:23 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Ok , I'm going to chalk up the rude comments as to ignorance on not knowing how contracts work , especially if someone is working outside the company.Hey if you don't want to hear the truth fine , but makes you look bad in the end.With that leaving the topic before I  start typing angry messages.

Ignorance is bliss to some people

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[Mage One]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/8996121/95#9023268

This would actually get me exited about Origin.  It feels weird typing that, but there you go.  If this Open Origin thing comes true, well, then, I...I'm not even sure how to articulate the precise resulting emotions, but it would be safe to say I would then have to make sure I have a ME3 Special Edition pre-order secured.

Modifié par Mage One, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:34 .

[Yuoaman]

Glad to see that this mess has been mostly worked through, I'm glad I can still be excited about OpenOrigin.

[chance52]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Merkar wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Open origin by it's very nature seems not credible.Why would EA allow an open source client ? , the answer is they wouldn't.Even if dmex is employee , he's sure to get fired for revealing this information without going through procedures.Which he could now be an ex-employee who hacked their forums and is trying bait people into using software that might actually steal private information.

The final out being it makes Bioware(bad) and EA look even more worse.

(Update):External contractor is means he's already broken the rules for , even showing information.

Let me get this straight. You think openness and straightforward communication with users is bad? And therefore that employee should be punished?

No , but theirs a reason companies have procedures.Procedures protect the company as well as the customer.When you don't abide by those rules false/mis-leading information could be leaked for something that was only planned but not executed.

I'm for openiness as long as it doesn't break the rules and a company/customer doesn't pay the price for it.

I agree in principle with your point yet it is not EA's practice to provide clear information in the first place. On the contrary, EA appears to go out of it's way to keep their customers from becoming informed. Example one out of many...

Chris Priestly wrote...

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

And Chris I've lost count of how many people called you out for this one.

We can go into the mods claims of sandboxing Origin being a form or circumvention with zero explanation, despite all evidence to the contrary.  Or the well established aversion to Origin felt by many of their more vocal customers and the not so subtle attempt to bury the announcement of it's requirement for ME3 at the end of the news cycle (Yes EA, those of us with news industry experience understand what a late afternoon/evening Friday announcement is.) 

I'm sure many other people can easily toss in many more examples but the bottom line is that this outside contractor did more in one afternoon of posting to alleviate concerns over Origin than any mod/spokesperson has done since it's introduction. Now he/she will likely be reprimanded or worse while we go back to EA's avoidance of our concerns and misleading answers.

Over 8000 posts on BioWares site in one week over this topic and apparently Chris has to beg for answers from people unwilling to provide them at EA.

Modifié par chance52, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:45 .

[Siegdrifa]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , I'm going to chalk up the rude comments as to ignorance on not knowing how contracts work , especially if someone is working outside the company.Hey if you don't want to hear the truth fine , but makes you look bad in the end.With that leaving the topic before I  start typing angry messages.

Ignorance is bliss to some people

If you are refering to me, i worked 3 years in the video game industry and the company i worked for had 5 studios (2 in USA, 2 in france, 1 in japan), and i saw serval undred of his employs over the years (contractor included), now i'm a freelancer, i get what you mean about external contractor, but we don't know his contract closure, we don't know how the software (Origin) is made, so we can't judge if what he says /  showed his out of his limit.

I'm not saying you are wrong, i'm saying there is no statement yet that he provided leaks or did anything illegal, until official statement, no need to assume he broke his contract, do you realise that if you are wrong he could sue you for bull****ing his works quality / reputation ? Because this is internet, it doesn't give you any right to claim publicly "he broke his contract rules" or "he talk about something he had no right to" unless you can provide real proof, not personnal opinion.

It's not for us to judge, but EA.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:01 .

[Lux]

@Mage One

Yeah, OpenOrigin would be an asset to have and make it amazingly distinct from other gaming platforms. I'm also looking forward for that to come along and revolutionize gaming platforms as we know it.

EA being at the vanguard of digital gaming? A new, better relationship between publisher and gamers? Hard to believe but made possible with OpenOrigin.