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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:25 .

[Eudaimonium]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...


Because when Origin is running, it's scanning your computer (note: being anywhere other than its parent folder means that it's scanning your comp. Not talking about sensitive areas in particular) and recording the data--which it should not be doing.

That is somewhat troubling, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal worldwide, to gather any sort of personal information and/or use it in any way without user's consent. Can we not trust the EULA on that, under assumption that it does say somewhere that they don't do anything with the info? Or is it really that bad that it doesn't say?

[Dragoonlordz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Eudaimonium wrote...

Thanks for answering my questions, in a time my slowish internet connection took to reload one page, two additional pages of this forum were already written Haven't seen that before.

There appears to be an incredible amount of hate for Origin around here - would you mind asking me why? I have never tried it out and have no problems trying it out for the sake of playing ME3 (Heh, I'd sell my spine for playing ME3 ) But then again, I haven't tried Steam. Those few original games I do have do not require distributor's clients to run.

Because when Origin is running, it's scanning your computer (note: being anywhere other than its parent folder means that it's scanning your comp. Not talking about sensitive areas in particular) and recording the data--which it should not be doing.

It only currently in the version of Origin peope are using right now scans only the game directory and registry and that is all. This has been verified through many tests in the last thread. Steam on the other hand through tests was found to be looking in vastly more private information. Other tests were done and showed results that even if do not Opt In to Steams data collection it in fact sends more information than Origin and that also did not include the [extra] data gained from Opting In and doing surveys. Now given the the amount of data sent is more from Steam (friends services and other features were not to explain this as both had same amount of friends and services running at same time) and that it looked at more places than Origin. It comes down to hate for EA and lack of trust for some people compared to bias they have towards Steam. 

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:25 .

[Wardka]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

That is an incredible logical fallacy. With that logic, you shouldn't protest if Levis entered your house looking for counterfeit jeans, right? You have nothing to hide, do you?

It's not about what data Origin may or may not find. It doesn't even scan for anything right now. It's about the right to keep intrusive software out of our computers (as well as a whole slew of other reasons that I'm sure someone else will mention in 3, 2, 1...).

[Icinix]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

If players had games they did not buy they were concerned about - do you really think they would being buying ME3 in the first place?

The reasons are many, and different for a lot of people. Privacy, Additional Software, Origin Exclusive, to name a few.

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:26 .

[Epsilon330]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Apparently it scans data outside of its folder. Although others who use it say it doesn't. There is no definite answer.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Kandid001 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I think it's better to complain to Bioware, personally. XD

It won't work though.

Hmm, so what about the EULA changes that took place for Germany plus a double opt-out for a) the collection of in-game data and  receiving some EA newsletter (as far as I remember it was just a news letter) ?! Those did not occur?! tsk tsk tsk

Regarding Origin being forced upon those customers willing to buy& play it (on the PC platform), yes you are right.

But saying that no change is possible doesn't live up to the facts.

I'll put in a clear way, no change will happen. It is easy for EA to change wording in their EULA but they will not stop pushing their ideal for future being based on their own DD service. They own Bioware and they own ME3 by proxy. They are breaking no laws with their current DD service which is the same service as Steam and their EULA has now been reworded to comply with the laws in Germany where was a conflict. They have stated that this "WILL" not change and ME3 "WILL" come with Origin. There is by no means anywhere near enough people up set over this to impact EA directly. There is no outrage articles by mainstream media over ME3 being bundled with EA's version of Steam aka Origin and the loss in some sales from a small section of possible ME3 buyers is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the millions ME3 will sell and the truly insane amount of income EA makes from other sources.

Referring to the bolded:

a) yes, from my point of view it's sad to see that people let the temptation to play a game win over something that should actually be worth more to them. It's the ongoing errosion of privacy that bothers me. And please, spare me with "if you have nothing to hide,then you have nothing to be afraid of" or automatically assume that by not wanting to give up my privacy I have something illegal to hide. (The latter sentence was more of a general statement; it wasn't meant as an offense).  
au contraire ma chérie/ mon cher. There was a huge media coverage in the above mentioned country. And I am sure this played a role in why changes were made.

[RKB28]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

RKB28 wrote...

Would like to thank didymos1120 and Dragoonlordz for the clarification.

Thing is, I have two acounts, one for Fifa 2011 for the 360 and another created when instaling Origin on my pc for the BF3 demo.

Don´t really trust them, so close to ME3´s release I´m gonna create an acount specifically for ME3.

You can create another account for ME3 and I think there is no problem with that. If decide to merge the three accounts in future that is also possible by contacting EA who are known to allow this for people who own more than one account provided prove you are the owner of those accounts. 

The only acount I give a damm is the one for ME3 so no merger will be needed. I´m gonna create the mother of all passwords for that one:D

[Galad22]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Is privacy and customer  protection laws such an alien concept to you?

Should be enough of a reason to have problem with this.

[craigdolphin]

The annoying thing for me is that if there has to be some kind of DRM, a first party program like Origin would be much better IMO than some nefarious third party software like SecuROM. My complaint is that the EULA permits them to data mine, and the technology allows them to remove our access to legally purchased single-player content at their whime: for example, being (falsely) accused of breaking forum rules, or for not agreeing to future changes to the EULA that were not in place at the time of purchase.

Fix the freaking EULA to respect privacy and simple consumer rights (get what you pay for) and I would not have a big problem with this. I'd still be unhappy, but not mad as heck.

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:30 .

[abaris]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

Totally beside the point.

Companies - any company - haven't got a business looking at my files and trying to figure me out. It is indeed a privacy issue. If you're OK to become a marketing asset, that's your business, but I for one refrain from being looked at and added to the consumer database.

[damoose1]

The Origin client is buggy as hell. It crashes all the time and takes a century to start-up. It is also irritating when you double-click on the game icon, and it does not open the game, but Origin. Then you wait forever, to only double click again to play. And, if it is like the previous games, a splash screen will appear where you will have to again click Play. All this is a hassle. This is so bad, but I do love the game and already paid for it. I will probably be cracking it (not illegal if I own the game ).

Since EA have a brach in South Africa, I will be getting a hold of some people here, as this policy is completely against our new Consumer Protection Act. That will get them a bit irritated. Won't do much, but I love to irritate people I hate 

Modifié par damoose1, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

[Wardka]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Apparently it scans data outside of its folder. Although others who use it say it doesn't. There is no definite answer.

The answer is that it used to. It doesn't anymore. Might start again since EA gives themselves that right in the EULA.

[theycallmeryan]

Wittand25 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

Am I the only one here who was at first apprehensive of this, but after seeing the facts, and hearing both sides, has accepted the change?
It can't be that bad, surely. We're shooting at a target that can't be killed, and I honestly don't think it's as apocalyptic as everyone's saying.

This'll be the definitive test for your devotion to Bioware and Mass Effect. True fans will shrug it off as an inconvenience, but still buy it for the game itself.

I'm a true fan, I've bought KotOR twice, Mass Effect twice, Mass Effect 2 three times, Dragon Age: Origins twice, and Dragon Age 2. That being said, I will not buy Mass Effect 3. I will not support Origin. I want the game on Steam, even if it requires an Origin account and for me to buy the DLC through Origin/this website. I own over 200 games on Steam, and I want to own Mass Effect 3 on Steam. I didn't think that was too much to ask. I would rather not finish the saga than buy it through Origin.

So what is keeping you from adding ME3 to your library? I just tested that I was able to add my Kindle reader I downloaded from Amazon to my Steam library, so there should be very little problems to add ME3.

I don't just want to play it through Steam, I want to buy it through Steam. Adding it as a non-Steam game feels incomplete. I want to be able to delete it and redownload it through Steam. I want to be able to manage my DLC through Steam. I want it to function exactly like every other PC game I own (I own most of my PC games on Steam).

[Dragoonlordz]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Apparently it scans data outside of its folder. Although others who use it say it doesn't. There is no definite answer.

It does not scan outside it's folder. Myself and others proved this. It did in the past do so but it does not anymore. Even in the past it still scanned no more private information than "in reality" Steam scans. Ask Wolfie about that who ran tests to show this to be true.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:30 .

[Hedera]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

It only needs internet to register the game.  Afterwards, Origin can be put in offline mode.  You do (obviously) need it to be online for multiplayer.

[Icinix]

If the EULA changes again, and we do not agree to it? Can we still run Origin on a previous version without damaging the ability to play games already installed, or future games?

Or will games that require Origin have an Origin requirement of version x.x?

Edit: And always require the most up to date Origin?

Modifié par Icinix, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .

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Modifié par Chris Priestly, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:30 .

[count_4]

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

[Hedera]

theycallmeryan wrote...

I don't just want to play it through Steam, I want to buy it through Steam. Adding it as a non-Steam game feels incomplete. I want to be able to delete it and redownload it through Steam. I want to be able to manage my DLC through Steam. I want it to function exactly like every other PC game I own (I own most of my PC games on Steam).

Tell EA.  Their little fight with Valve over (presumably) DLC distribution combined with their craving for a larger chunk of the PC market is the reason we won't see it on Steam.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Galad22 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Is privacy and customer  protection laws such an alien concept to you?

Should be enough of a reason to have problem with this.

Howdy Silvanus,

maybe it's worth getting a mug of coffee/cup of tea for reading this:

http://chronicle.com...Even-if/127461/

Enjoy your cup

#Edit: found a typo

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[Eudaimonium]

Simply because a client takes a while to start up is neglectible for me - Mass Effect ain't no flash game, I damn right make sure I have an eternity or two of free time before launching it.

Now, it frequently crashing is actually a serious problem. God help the poor bastard physically closest to me if my ME3 crashes during an epic climatic cutscene or something. Or anywhere.

If it's so inferior, why did they chose to distribute ME via that platform? With all the hate, you'd think that they'd simply go with what everybody prefers. Sometimes the best solution is the simplest one. Right?