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[Mitchumas]

So I noticed the one person that was making any sense and giving out some answers they kicked off the forum... after they accused him/her of not knowing what he/she was on about althought that person worked as a contractor for EA... Makes me think now why they would want to shut that person up... although i do love the fact Dmex let loose the fact that sandboxing (yeah the Mods can kick me off) is not Circumventing Origin... HAHAA!! Love it... ) This Open Origin sounds like it maybe a good idea... I do have a question though... If PC players are requierd to have Origin to play even the single player of ME3... what is requiered of the Xbox and PS3 players? or do they get out of it??

[Zkyire]

DMEX a contractor working with EA as part of the "Security Risk Management Team" told us that *it* doesn't circumvent DRM.

..and he was promptly banned.

So who do we continue to believe?

(I don't want to discuss *it* here, but rather how BW/EA is acting towards *it*)

Modifié par Zkyire, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:13 .

[Mister Mida]

Mitchumas wrote...
I do have a question though... If PC players are requierd to have Origin to play even the single player of ME3... what is requiered of the Xbox and PS3 players? or do they get out of it??

Of course the console versions don't need it. Microsoft and Sony are still in charge of their console.

[Gotholhorakh]

billy the squid wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Well he did claim not to work for EA on october 31, 2011. And the picture he uses as avatar got uploaded on december 16, 2011.
Also his nickname does not follow the usual rule of EA-whatever that EA employes usually have there.

Also I can not believe that when he started to work for EA that he had to sign a secrecy agreement, which would basically make his work on OpenOrigin or even just the way he posts impossible.

That's fairly standard employment terms in such situations. For instance if he develops something using certain Origin code, whilst working at EA, being paid by EA to reserach something and an offshoot occurs. Then EA owns the IP in question and benefits from it, not him.

Just a thought here - while non-disclosure and exclusivity (application rights to what you develop) are pretty much standard for developers, they don't necessarily apply across the board.

Some companies/particular contracts don't these days stake a claim to, for instance, related open source work under certain conditions, some even encourage you to have side-projects, and others will actively pay you to contribute to and engage with other projects for their own reasons.

Also on the matter of restricting engagement with the public not every company does this in the same way, either.

For most commercial software the developers are NOT expected to do PR - if I wanted to speak to our user-base on our/other forums "in my capacity as me" for instance, it would be cleared in no uncertain terms before I did it, for my protection and my colleagues'/employers' - and I would certainly have let the forum people know and have some kind of stamp on/under my name on posts.

On the other hand, sometimes management will issue such a directive as "I want you to have an online presence, I want you/you all to maintain twitter/forum accounts and/or a blog. Go forth, spread the word, engage". It depends on the employer, the contract etc.

A subcontractor you employ to do security work can be a special case. They may not understand the culture they're interfacing with because they're not a grizzled veteran software developer, they worked somewhere permissive before - or they're a "Genius Ditz".

Of course, the ownership of IP rights, whilst developing is not universal in it's application. Companies can contract out of them, whilst the internal workings of a company not involved in research and development won't have to deal with the Copyright and IP ownership issues. Even those companies that do have research or development would have the terms restricted to a certain department, dependant on exposure to sensitive internal information.

However, it is usually placed in the employment contract as a term to
cover the company's back should that issue arise, it doesn't necessarily
mean that they would enforce it, or even that they could if they wanted
to. But, the case law is there because these problems have arisen and
it has reached the point where the court has had to resolve the dispute.

Yes sorry, that should read "application of rights", not application rights. There will be some level of restriction on what IP can be released, but sometimes that restriction is not what people seem to think - I thought I'd offer some insight that might quell people's assumptions on the matter.

Yes IP rights are a fact of life for people who work in all sorts of fields (software development and scientific research being two I can speak of), but I would caution forum users against the assumption that someone who shares information/IP is necessarily being unprofessional.

As to speaking with the community, it is due to the issue of vicarious liability, as an employee the company is liable for your actions whilst in the course of work. There are a lot of caveatsand principles which go along with it so I won't list them all, but I can understand why it makes companies wary enough that they prefer to clear or have knowledge of employees speaking with customers.

This is what I was saying, if you put yourself forth in public as holding the position of Senior Developer at Company you are speaking on behalf of the company in the minds of the fan/user base, so it should be a company decision that you do that...

...however, some shops (especially in the last 5 or 10 years) do actively encourage or require different sorts of online activity (blogs, twitter, forum activity, side projects) for a variety of reasons, like engagement with the community on the company's behalf, or even CPD. This can vary from task to task, project to project, developer to developer, and team to team.

While it strikes a lot of people that a developer "blabbing" might be behaving in an unprofessional way, that is not necessarily always the case, and they should take a chill pill for a moment.

I have my own ideas about what's happened there, and they are based on
1) the mere idea of posting to a company forum in the capacity of a developer without having contacted anyone with authority over the forum,
2) the content of the user's posts and
3) publicly speaking as an "employee" of a company when one is in fact a contractor - I think it all seems a little hokey - but really I/we don't know what authority/responsibility the person has for saying stuff in public.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 21 janvier 2012 - 03:40 .

[Bostur]

Zkyire wrote...

DMEX a contractor working with EA as part of the "Security Risk Management Team" told us that *it* doesn't circumvent DRM.

..and he was promptly banned.

So who do we continue to believe?

(I don't want to discuss *it* here, but rather how BW/EA is acting towards *it*)

I don't know what you mean by *it*, but dmex was temporarily banned because his identity was at doubt.

[DTKT]

Doonerbandit wrote...

Origin is on it's last legs Kingdom's of Amalur is a clear sign of that. So let's move on. BTW Bioware I look forward to purchasing ME3 on STEAM before the year's out.

No, it's because it's an EA Partners game. EA doesn't have total control over the IP. It's not a sign of things to come.

[chance52]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .

[Ahglock]

Icinix wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

Icinix wrote...
No, but if they want to play ME3 after buying they are forced to use it.

However which way you want to describe it, there's no force involved, it's all choice. Origin software is currently a mandatory install with Mass Effect 3.

Your choice and it's a basic yes or no. If you want to play Mass Effect 3, you get Origin. It's all dependent on your choice to play Mass Effect 3 or not. A definite conundrum if you don't want or like Origin or don't understand or even care why EA has made that decision.

A possible choice: maybe the open source version of Origin will be available and favorably accepted as an alternative.
Another possible choice. Wait several years; maybe it will be available without DRM and Origin on gog.com–like you can get  Baldur's Gate 2 right now.

By that definition though - there is no such thing as being forced to do anything.

Yup.  People are either incapable of understanding the english language contexually or they are just trolling with the you are not forced arguments. 

Anyways.  For me this is simple if Origin adds a full opt out to data mining my main compalint is gone and I'll suck it up and get it even though I would prefer steam, if they don't I wont.  And no opting out of mass effect data mining is not the same thing.

[Dragoonlordz]

We got an answer yet on will DLC through Origin for ME3 be region locked yet and whether done away with EA log inside ME3 (Cerberus/DLC type thing) and this is replaced with just (only) Origin log in?

If not it's fine, there's still plenty of time before game is out so do not need answer right this second.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 04:41 .

[Travie]

[inappropriate quote removed]

For me this ties up everyone's worries in a neat little bow.

If they didn't have anything to hide and Origin was just a simple platform, like it says it is, there would be ABSOLUTELY NO issue.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:10 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Maybe I am getting too old, but what I fail to understand is the fact, that if ones looks at the development of e.g. the music industry as an analogy to these DD platforms, for a long time distributors were necessary and companies remained in control over which product was available when and where and at which price. Now the Internet with it's increasing bandwidths and the easy access to technology, so that people could easily produce and distribute their own music, without a real need for a major record label, made quite a few middlemen superfluous and access to it became easier.

The gaming industry went through the same stages, regarding the distribution and parties involved. My view is, that they are solely trying to reinstate their former standing in terms of control with all these DD platforms. Region locks in 2012, where the reason isn't differences in cultures and controversial content, utter horsecrap. On-line passes to dry out the second hand market. And on top they're now attempting to profile their customers by mandatory integral parts of their products, where it's either "show me your underwear" (metaphorically speaking) or "there's the door".

I seriously fail to understand why people don't realize that the more centralized it becomes, the worse off the customer will be, as he/her will be more dependent on what decisions x,y or z are making. It's the same with Origin and other proprietary platforms.

Yep, I guess I'm getting old.  

[dmex]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

OpenOrigin is a personal project of mine, outside of EA, as owner I can discuss various things about it, I just need to adhere to our official guidelines and make clear it's not official 

dmex

[Orionas]

Kingdom of amalur will use that too??? this companys steam - origin, etc.. ruined the gaming industry, they shouldnt complain about whats happening then.. Because they caused it.

I asked in kingdom of amalur forums and they say "probably not" so its not confirmed.. fingers crossed.

But you know that if someone goes in the courts for this " forcing " thing, is against the laws, maybe not in the US, but certenly in the EU... The less they could do, not to distribute the game at all, if that happens and it will apparently, its very unrespectfull.  And some times customers turn into victims, because (at least) steam games are not very clearly labbeled about this DEMAND of internet access.. I was a short of a victim of steam once with a game (I wont type it here the tittle), because it was labbeled corectly and I couldnt play it or install it ... once... So I never bought steam games again in my life... and I will never do.. lol  The result was not to play the game ever, even if I have it.. disgusted me.

Are you sure steam is a safe application as well? I mean steam loads and stays in the background...

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:19 .

[Dragoonlordz]

dmex wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Someone in EA is aware of the project , but they didn't know one their guys is leaking information and a picture about something that's suppose to be known within the company only.

OpenOrigin is a personal project of mine, outside of EA, as owner I can discuss various things about it, I just need to adhere to our official guidelines and make clear it's not official 

dmex

Might want to change the name then? Make sure has no code is too similar to their own which they could use to claim copied or replicated without permission and find out if a non official client aka Open<insert new name> that tries to replace the function of thier own is ok with them. Alternativley get their permission once done if can use as alternative with consent. But I suppose you already know all this. Then again maybe because all coding and scripting I have done within companies was not related to the gaming industry, they might have different rules.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Pupuppu]

dmex wrote...
...

dmex, can you provide some answers to the technical issues here someone compiled before?

Acrylium wrote...

I have a few questions regarding Origin before I buy "Mass Effect 3":

Does
Origin gather any information about other software installed on my
computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)? 
Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?
Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?
May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?
Will
it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already
installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on
my computer and Origin finds these games?
Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?
How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?
What
happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a
big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy
company too...)[/list]

Thank you.

[dmex]

Might want to change the name then? Make sure has no code is too similar to their own which they could use to claim copied or replicated without permission and find out if a non official client aka Open<Insert new name> that tries to replace the function of thier own is ok with them. Alternativley get their permission once done if can use as alternative with consent. But I suppose you already know all this. Then again maybe because all coding and scripting I have done within companies was not related to the gaming industry, they have different rules.

The names are fine, We (EA) own the trademarks for Origin and Rupture (The original name for Origin). The source code is also completly independent of Origin's codebase [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

dmex

 

[Dragoonlordz]

dmex wrote...

Might want to change the name then? Make sure has no code is too similar to their own which they could use to claim copied or replicated without permission and find out if a non official client aka Open<Insert new name> that tries to replace the function of thier own is ok with them. Alternativley get their permission once done if can use as alternative with consent. But I suppose you already know all this. Then again maybe because all coding and scripting I have done within companies was not related to the gaming industry, they have different rules.

The names are fine, We (EA) own the trademarks for Origin and Rupture (The original name for Origin). The source code is also completly independent of Origin's codebase [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

dmex

 

As you said, this is not an EA project, therefore the ownership of brand doesn't apply for your personal projects.

"OpenOrigin is a personal project of mine, outside of EA."
 
Good to see you back answering questions though. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:38 .

[Orionas]

there is also 1 more question that nobody asks (maybe doesnt matter at all), I dont care about it personally, but imagine small kids that may choose to romance with the same sex characters, does this information are known to EA via origin (or steam whatever), because this kind of informations are away to personal (sexual choices). If they do collect all this kind of information, what makes us not to believe, that this info are not being sold as well... (i still remember what happened with google rumors)

meaning, except the monitoring and the forcing thing, we may turn to test subjects...

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:35 .

[Yuoaman]

It's awesome to see you answering more questions, dmex - I'm really looking forward to OpenOrigin.

[ttchip]

Orionas wrote...

there is also 1 more question that nobody asks (maybe doesnt matter at all), I dont care about it personally, but imagine small kids that may choose to romance with the same sex characters, does this information are known to EA via origin (or steam whatever), because this kind of informations are away to personal (sexual choices). If they do collect all this kind of information, what makes us not to believe, that this info are not being sold as well... (i still remember what happened with google rumors)

meaning, except the monitoring and the forcing thing, we may turn to test subjects...

err... are small kids supposed to play a game about galactic war anyway?

[Yuoaman]

Orionas wrote...

there is also 1 more question that nobody asks (maybe doesnt matter at all), I dont care about it personally, but imagine small kids that may choose to romance with the same sex characters, does this information are known to EA via origin (or steam whatever), because this kind of informations are away to personal (sexual choices). If they do collect all this kind of information, what makes us not to believe, that this info are not being sold as well... (i still remember what happened with google rumors)

meaning, except the monitoring and the forcing thing, we may turn to test subjects...

I don't really think EA or Bioware take that sort of data from save games, it would be odd.

[Orionas]

i am talking about the data, this programs collect, and we all supposed to play a galactic war anyway.. lol
It could be a nice forced galoup, data... for feature products... marketing..

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:40 .

[Dovahzaan]

dmex wrote...
The source code is also completly independent of Origin's codebase [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Wait, so we could run future EA games without the original Origin?

[Yuoaman]

Orionas wrote...

i am talking about the data, this programs collect, and we all supposed to play a galactic war anyway.. lol
It could be a nice forced galoup, data... for feature products... marketing..

Please be sure to read what you're typing carefully, I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of your posts.

I'm pretty sure the data that EA gathers from ME3 includes mostly when and how often you play the game, and related statistics.

[Yuoaman]

Dovahzaan wrote...

dmex wrote...
The source code is also completly independent of Origin's codebase [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Wait, so we could run future EA games without the original Origin?

That's the general idea of OpenOrigin.