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[Orionas]

Yuoaman wrote...

Orionas wrote...

i am talking about the data, this programs collect, and we all supposed to play a galactic war anyway.. lol
It could be a nice forced galoup, data... for feature products... marketing..

Please be sure to read what you're typing carefully, I'm having a lot of trouble making sense of your posts.

I'm pretty sure the data that EA gathers from ME3 includes mostly when and how often you play the game, and related statistics.

I am dyslectic - with oficial papers.. lol (optical and some acoustic)

and you are not certain, I think one of the rules when you install Origin, is to agree origin to collect any short of data (and they dont name them)...

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:48 .

[DashRunner92]

I'm more scared of what will happen to ME 3 if Origin is shut down. I wouldn't be surprised if it did shut down in the near future with the universal hate Origin seems to be getting. Steam is a much better alternative, even other platforms like D2D and Desura are much better. The only thing Origin has going for it is the fact that they keep forcing players who want to play EA's games on the PC to use Origin.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[Orionas]

dont hate only origin, check on the big website retailers the comments about steam, steam got equal enemies, I am included! lol

Take an example the game of the year (I will not name it because its another company), they cant even sell 1 million pc copies, they sell only in  consoles..

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 05:56 .

[dmex]

Pupuppu wrote...
Does Origin gather any information about other software installed on my
computer (e.g. Sofware from Adobe, Microsoft, NikSofware, ...)? 

 

No, We do not collect information from software installed on your machine.

Pupuppu wrote... 
Does Origin gather any information about how long I'm gaming, what I'm gaming and how often I'm gaming?

 

Origin locally stores the last time you started playing a game, it does not collect how long you've been playing, what your playing or how often you've been playing. This may change in the future.

However, The publisher of a specific game can collect this information using their game itself and would be seperate of Origin entirely.

Pupuppu wrote...  
Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?

 

Yes we collect this data as it's legally required per the data retention laws of the EU, Your IP and MAC address will be retained for a minimum of six months to a maximum of two years as required by law.

Pupuppu wrote...  
May any emloye of EA shut me out of the forum and therefore out of Origin and my games?

 

If you are banned from the forum, You'll still be able to play your games, forum bans no longer affect your Origin account.

Pupuppu wrote...   
it be possible to play older games (e.g. Mass Effect 2 which is already
installed on my computer) without Origin, after I installed Origin on
my computer and Origin finds these games?

 

Origin does not scan or add games, for your existing EA games to show on Origin you muct explicitly add these to your account. E.G. Older games such as Battlefield 2 work fine without Origin but you can add your CD-KEY to your Origin account for easier management of the game and it's CD-KEY.

Pupuppu wrote...    
Is it possible to uninstall Origin completely from my computer or will something remain?

  

When you uninstall Origin, everything is removed bar the games, If the game requires Origin the game will be inoperable.

Pupuppu wrote...  
How long will I be able to download games I bought via Origin when I'm not active for a few months?

   

The download expiration date defined on our systems for all digital products on Origin is currently: 2999-01-01 12:00:00 GMT

Pupuppu wrote...   
What
happens if EA should ever shut down? (I'm well aware right now EA is a
big and wealthy company, but a few years ago Kodak was a big and wealthy
company too...)[/list]

Origin would continue to function in offline mode.

dmex

[vallore]

ChookAttack wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

I'm not missing the point, but it seems you are missing one.  EA are not forcing you to use their product.  You, as a consumer, have the choice to use their product, or not.  There is your choice,  It may not be the choice you want, but you are in no way forced to use any product that EA offers.

There is NO product if I have to give up my privacy. So LOST customer and lost money.

Is that good business to, lose customers and money?

Taken on an individual basis, no.  Taken as a whole, where EA has the chance to widen their customer base by millions, yes.

Nope. Forcing origin upon customers who do not want it, does not increase the numbers of those potential customers EA may be aiming at.  It just makes some costumers more reluctant to buy their products.

Remember that the issue was not if  Origin was available or not for those who may want it, but rather a choice being given for those that do not want it.

[DashRunner92]

Orionas wrote...

dont hate only origin, check on the big website retailers the comments about steam, steam got equal enemies, I am included! lol

Take an example the game of the year (I will not name it because its another company), they cant even sell 1 million pc copies, they sell only in  consoles..

This makes no sense? There's no definite game of the year, every site has their own little list of awards. Also I'm pretty sure you're allowed to write the name of any game O_o

Modifié par DashRunner92, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .

[Dragoonlordz]

vallore wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

I'm not missing the point, but it seems you are missing one.  EA are not forcing you to use their product.  You, as a consumer, have the choice to use their product, or not.  There is your choice,  It may not be the choice you want, but you are in no way forced to use any product that EA offers.

There is NO product if I have to give up my privacy. So LOST customer and lost money.

Is that good business to, lose customers and money?

Taken on an individual basis, no.  Taken as a whole, where EA has the chance to widen their customer base by millions, yes.

Nope. Forcing origin upon customers who do not want it, does not increase the numbers of those potential customers EA may be aiming at.  It just makes some costumers more reluctant to buy their products.

Remember that the issue was not if  Origin was available or not for those who may want it, but rather a choice being given for those that do not want it.

I wanted to buy ME2 but they 'forced' me to have Miranda as a squad mate in the companion list. 

Just messing with you. 

Also Origin is part of the game in that it is the games (PC version) DRM. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:10 .

[Pupuppu]

Thank you for your answers, one question though

dmex wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...  
Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?

 

Yes we collect this data as it's legally required per the data retention laws of the EU, Your IP and MAC address will be retained for a minimum of six months to a maximum of two years as required by law.

Origin is working as a frontend for various web services which then see my IP address. No problem with storing that for whatever reasons. The MAC though is something you will not (normally) see at EA when I'm using your services.
- Why collect it from the local PC?
- Will Origin still work, if I decide to change my MAC every few hours when using the Origin client?

[Orionas]

DashRunner92 wrote...

Orionas wrote...

dont hate only origin, check on the big website retailers the comments about steam, steam got equal enemies, I am included! lol

Take an example the game of the year (I will not name it because its another company), they cant even sell 1 million pc copies, they sell only in  consoles..

This makes no sense? There's no definite game of the year, every site has their own little list of awards. Also I'm pretty sure you're allowed to write the name of any game O_o

Oh common you know what  game I speak about.. no need to advertise it here... I always respect that.. It took the best score in 68 different critics and websites and its steam.. I think..
Its kingdom of amalur competitor if that helps u

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[DashRunner92]

Orionas wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Orionas wrote...

dont hate only origin, check on the big website retailers the comments about steam, steam got equal enemies, I am included! lol

Take an example the game of the year (I will not name it because its another company), they cant even sell 1 million pc copies, they sell only in  consoles..

This makes no sense? There's no definite game of the year, every site has their own little list of awards. Also I'm pretty sure you're allowed to write the name of any game O_o

Oh common you know what  game I speak about.. no need to advertise it here... I always respect that..

Skyrim sold way over million copies on the PC as did Portal 2 on the PC.. those were the big two games. Also I'm sure ME3 will sell a million copies on the PC as well, though it will be interesting seeing how the PS3 option and the forcing of Origin will effect the 360 and PC sales on the launch date.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[Orionas]

Well a week ago, the numbers for pc copies, were about 250000. (I havent checked it since). And players cannot play it via steam, they all complain.  Even if its 1 million now.. Oh my god its a very low number.. What is 1 million infront the 1-2 billion pc users globally..  They have to stop forcing internet access....

At least if kingdom of amalur comes with origin, I hope they will release it for Wii U as well, because is the only company I support. The other 2, disturbed my pc gaming exp.  And from what i've read, I will not buy me3 because I loved it for my pc and I love moding.

Modifié par Orionas, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:21 .

[Yuoaman]

Thanks for even more answers dmex - this transparency is definitely welcome.

[Bostur]

dmex wrote...
Yes we collect this data as it's legally required per the data retention laws of the EU, Your IP and MAC address will be retained for a minimum of six months to a maximum of two years as required by law.

I might be mistaken, but I thought those requirements are for ISPs only, not content providers. Is that a specific requirement for internet shops?

It's hard to figure out what is going on in the EU sometimes :-)

Btw I read some of your clarifications on the EA forum regarding access to games, thanks for those.

[shepskisaac]

Ok, I'm not up to date. Could someone answer me quickly will I be able to use Open Origin instead of the standard one in ME3? And it legal right?

[MingWolf]

DashRunner92 wrote...

I'm more scared of what will happen to ME 3 if Origin is shut down. I wouldn't be surprised if it did shut down in the near future with the universal hate Origin seems to be getting. Steam is a much better alternative, even other platforms like D2D and Desura are much better. The only thing Origin has going for it is the fact that they keep forcing players who want to play EA's games on the PC to use Origin.

Myself personally, I don't really care too much about whether or not they exist or desist.  It may hold some cross-platform benefits as someone mentioned earlier, but it's still kind of silly that one is required to have it in order to play Mass Effect 3.  At the moment, I can see no greater purpose for such requirements other than DRM and information/data mining.  And yeah, if ME 3 is bound to Origin, and if Origin did shut down, that would certainly suck for anyone still wanting to play the game they legitimately bought. 

I'm not a big fan of running steam when I'm running certain games, but I do find it a much better alternative.  Unlike Origin, which is just... EA material, steam delivers quite a bit more: more games, more developers, free games, etc.  That, and their privacy policy is a lot more agreeable. 

[Dragoonlordz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ok, I'm not up to date. Could someone answer me quickly will I be able to use Open Origin instead of the standard one in ME3? And it legal right?

Well it is not finished yet and would require consent I am sure from EA (not Dmex) before that answer would be yes (imho). I imagine it will go like this, he will develop it then submit it to the relevant people in EA for approval if it is to be used legally as an alternative with consent from higher up in EA. Otherwise I think it will be a third party product that conflicts with the approved EA client and if interfered or tried to replace without consent I do not think would be 'legal' but i could be wrong.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:49 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

dmex wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...  
Does Origin gather my IP and / or MAC adress? If so, how long does EA keeps this data?

 

Yes we collect this data as it's legally required per the data retention laws of the EU, Your IP and MAC address will be retained for a minimum of six months to a maximum of two years as required by law.

Wait, on page 98 of this thread you confirmed that this is not the case for entire Europe, saying

Ok, I was just informed that IP addresses are legally classed as personally
identifiable information in Germany.

This is also why there is a separate Origin client for German users as it's using a local Germany EA server where this information is not logged to comply with the law.

EA's view on those laws and abiding by them hasn't changed in the meantime or has it?

Addendum: In addition to that, the whole data retention in the EU is undergoing a thorough review, with an unkown outcome; heck it could even result in less Orwellian circumstances. Several countries in the EU refuse the data retention and it's still an ongoing process with Brussels.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:38 .

[billy the squid]

Orionas wrote...

Kingdom of amalur will use that too??? this companys steam - origin, etc.. ruined the gaming industry, they shouldnt complain about whats happening then.. Because they caused it.

I asked in kingdom of amalur forums and they say "probably not" so its not confirmed.. fingers crossed.

But you know that if someone goes in the courts for this " forcing " thing, is against the laws, maybe not in the US, but certenly in the EU... The less they could do, not to distribute the game at all, if that happens and it will apparently, its very unrespectfull.  And some times customers turn into victims, because (at least) steam games are not very clearly labbeled about this DEMAND of internet access.. I was a short of a victim of steam once with a game (I wont type it here the tittle), because it was labbeled corectly and I couldnt play it or install it ... once... So I never bought steam games again in my life... and I will never do.. lol  The result was not to play the game ever, even if I have it.. disgusted me.

Are you sure steam is a safe application as well? I mean steam loads and stays in the background...

No "forcing" is not against the law. Sufficient notice is given as to the requirements of Origin or Steam, statutory rights allow one to return the game after opening it if one doesn't feel it meets their needs, both Steam and Origin have an offline mode only requiring a single authentification.

Orionas wrote...

there is also 1 more question that nobody asks (maybe doesnt matter at all), I dont care about it personally, but imagine small kids that may choose to romance with the same sex characters, does this information are known to EA via origin (or steam whatever), because this kind of informations are away to personal (sexual choices). If they do collect all this kind of information, what makes us not to believe, that this info are not being sold as well... (i still remember what happened with google rumors)

meaning, except the monitoring and the forcing thing, we may turn to test subjects...

It doesn't matter, it's in game information and entirely irrelevant. Nor is it personal. Inofrmation of a personal nature is regulated by EU Data Protection Laws which EA must abide by, you can't sell data and expect not to get into trouble.

Modifié par billy the squid, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:34 .

[Lumikki]

As far I remember it's mostly for ISP (telecomminications), but I think it also apply's for all Service providers.

These are good to read:
http://en.wikipedia....ntion_Directive
http://en.wikipedia....ction_Directive
http://en.wikipedia...._data_retention

Also there is some statical data collection laws in many EU countries and even EU has some directive related that. Can't how ever find good page about it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:35 .

[vallore]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

vallore wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

I'm not missing the point, but it seems you are missing one.  EA are not forcing you to use their product.  You, as a consumer, have the choice to use their product, or not.  There is your choice,  It may not be the choice you want, but you are in no way forced to use any product that EA offers.

There is NO product if I have to give up my privacy. So LOST customer and lost money.

Is that good business to, lose customers and money?

Taken on an individual basis, no.  Taken as a whole, where EA has the chance to widen their customer base by millions, yes.

Nope. Forcing origin upon customers who do not want it, does not increase the numbers of those potential customers EA may be aiming at.  It just makes some costumers more reluctant to buy their products.

Remember that the issue was not if  Origin was available or not for those who may want it, but rather a choice being given for those that do not want it.

I wanted to buy ME2 but they 'forced' me to have Miranda as a squad mate in the companion list. 

Just messing with you. 

Also Origin is part of the game in that it is the games (PC version) DRM. 

<shrugh>  you hardly need to use or listen to her, if you don't chose too. On the other hand, Origin would be like being forced to bring Vega to every mission AND be forced to have lengthy, unskippable dialogs with him, back on the Normandy,  about his feelings about Kafka's  "the Metamorphosis" vs the nature of the Priiize.

Seriously, the point I was making was  how making it mandatory was not the wisest decision from a perspective of profit maximizing EA's relations with their gamer costumers.

Personally, I just want either a clarification about what data Origin collects and/or a opt-out of data-collecting…. It is not like EA as a chance of selling me anything through Origin, I don’t use DD to buy stuff, nor do I play MP or use chat.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Hmm, I wonder if mentioning "VPN service providers" or even "MAC address spoofing" will earn me a ban.

#Edit: replaced a few words

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 21 janvier 2012 - 06:49 .

[Orionas]

"When you uninstall Origin, everything is removed bar the games, If the game requires Origin the game will be inoperable"

this answer also rejects the simple dvd-check, we spoke about few pages back.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

vallore wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

ChookAttack wrote...

I'm not missing the point, but it seems you are missing one.  EA are not forcing you to use their product.  You, as a consumer, have the choice to use their product, or not.  There is your choice,  It may not be the choice you want, but you are in no way forced to use any product that EA offers.

There is NO product if I have to give up my privacy. So LOST customer and lost money.

Is that good business to, lose customers and money?

Taken on an individual basis, no.  Taken as a whole, where EA has the chance to widen their customer base by millions, yes.

Nope. Forcing origin upon customers who do not want it, does not increase the numbers of those potential customers EA may be aiming at.  It just makes some costumers more reluctant to buy their products.

Remember that the issue was not if  Origin was available or not for those who may want it, but rather a choice being given for those that do not want it.

I wanted to buy ME2 but they 'forced' me to have Miranda as a squad mate in the companion list. 

Just messing with you. 

Also Origin is part of the game in that it is the games (PC version) DRM. 

Sigh, if only this were the full truth.

It's not just the DRM, it's more than that. Features that some regard as beneficial to their gaming experience (to understand this part better, I asked you on this thread, why you are speaking in defense of Origin most of the time and if you wouldn't prefer the game without Origin being required and  - let's say - the DRM being integrated into the game itself; in a nutshell: why you like the additional piece of software) and others preferring not getting in touch with Origin at all.

#Edit: removed typo

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:09 .

[sackyhack]

Looks like I was wrong about dmex. My stance on Origin and people's reaction hasn't changed, but apologies for the doubt.

[Dragoonlordz]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Sigh, if only this were the full truth.

It's not just the DRM, it's more than that. Features that some regard as beneficial to their gaming experience (to understand this part better, I asked you on this thread, why you are speaking in defense of Origin most of the time and if you wouldn't prefer the game without Origin being required and  - let's say - the DRM being integrated into the game itself; in a nutshell: why you like the additional piece of software) and others preferring not getting in touch with Origin at all.

#Edit: removed typo

Whether I like it or dislike it is irrelvant on what I said though. It is still part of the DRM (Origin) which is what I said. There was no bias one way or the other in that.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 21 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .