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[Matt251287]

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Untill such a time as these "restrictive terms of service", are fully defined it will remain completely transparant that it is EA/Origin and only EA/Origin who are blocking the sale of ME3 on Steam.

The attempt to deceive us with the 'WMD' of 'restrictive terms' is utterly pathetic, i've lost alot of respect for Bioware since hearing about this, i nad none whatsoever for EA to begin with.
 
 
 
 
Do you really think EA has enough good games to make Origin a viable platform, to take market share from Steam? EA is known for producing trash, do you make trash bioware? What's next "Mass-Effect -10: Combined Allied Assult, Axis-Dawn: Zero-Hour". How easy is it to get a new Publisher? What are your contract terms Bioware?

[Dragoonlordz]

Matt251287 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Untill such a time as these "restrictive terms of service", are fully defined it will remain completely transparant that it is EA/Origin and only EA/Origin who are blocking the sale of ME3 on Steam.

The attempt to deceive us with the 'WMD' of 'restrictive terms' is utterly pathetic, i've lost alot of respect for Bioware since hearing about this, i nad none whatsoever for EA to begin with.
 
 
 
 
Do you really think EA has enough good games to make Origin a viable platform, to take market share from Steam? EA is known for producing trash, do you make trash bioware? What's next "Mass-Effect -10: Combined Allied Assult, Axis-Dawn: Zero-Hour". How easy is it to get a new Publisher? What are your contract terms Bioware?

If noone ever tried to do something just because someone did something percieved as better at the time, then we would still be living in caves and bashing each other over the head with clubs. Origin should be getting 3rd party titles from other publishers and developers on it by end of year. This is what EA said and I have no reason to doubt this or to be more precise there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 janvier 2012 - 12:01 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Matt251287 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Untill such a time as these "restrictive terms of service", are fully defined it will remain completely transparant that it is EA/Origin and only EA/Origin who are blocking the sale of ME3 on Steam.

The attempt to deceive us with the 'WMD' of 'restrictive terms' is utterly pathetic, i've lost alot of respect for Bioware since hearing about this, i nad none whatsoever for EA to begin with.
 
 
 
 
Do you really think EA has enough good games to make Origin a viable platform, to take market share from Steam? EA is known for producing trash, do you make trash bioware? What's next "Mass-Effect -10: Combined Allied Assult, Axis-Dawn: Zero-Hour". How easy is it to get a new Publisher? What are your contract terms Bioware?

BioWare [via parent studio] was bought by EA.  As in EA owns BioWare.  As in EA makes the rules and BioWare has to deal with it.  

Next time you throw a fit over the mandatory PR lines, know exactly who you're directing it at.

[Johnsen1972]

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It's simple. Im willing to pay with money. They deserve it. But Im not willing to pay with my privacy!

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[Matt251287]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Next time you throw a fit over the mandatory PR lines, know exactly who you're directing it at.

I will, thank you.

That changes little about what i would say, except now there is less hope.
 
 
 

Good thing ME is only a trilogy, i wouldn't want to watch a favourite game studio die all over again.

[Dragoonlordz]

Matt251287 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Next time you throw a fit over the mandatory PR lines, know exactly who you're directing it at.

I will, thank you.

That changes little about what i would say, except now there is less hope.
 
 
 

Good thing ME is only a trilogy, i wouldn't want to watch a favourite game studio die all over again.

Bioware won't die, they will just spread out over more and more genres until they make very little I wish to play. But the business itself won't die off just expand and cater to other people.

[Matt251287]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bioware won't die, they will just spread out over more and more genres until they make very little I wish to play.

Thanks for the crash-course in business, i'm not disagreeing with you, you've put it quite nicely.

[SpringMan]

Yeah Bioware seems to be EA's main marketing idol currently because the name has a good ring in the fan's ears. In fact, i see some parallels to what Microsoft did with Rare, i just hope it doesn't end the same way.

[Dr Bob UK]

[quote]Johnsen1972 wrote...
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It's simple. Im willing to pay with money. They deserve it. But Im not willing to pay with my privacy!

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If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[didymos1120]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

That's just the GUI toolkit they used.  Not sure why you linked to it.

[Johnsen1972]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

That's just the GUI toolkit they used.  Not sure why you linked to it.

Because he thinks he is smart

[Dragoonlordz]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

That's just the GUI toolkit they used.  Not sure why you linked to it.

Because he thinks he is smart

He might be very smart though there is the age old theory which seems to run true (imho) of that the higher the IQ, the lower the common sense. Honestly though I think he was trying to help in his own way. Seem's petty to have a go at someone who tried to do a good thing (in general aka not directed at anyone in particular).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:55 .

[Siegdrifa]

Matt251287 wrote...

Good thing ME is only a trilogy, i wouldn't want to watch a favourite game studio die all over again.

It isn't, next chapters should done.
It was stated by Bioware that ME3 is just the start of a greater galactic war, the Shepard's story is just the first arc.

[eyesofastorm]

Why is stuff like this seemingly apparent to everyone except for Electronic Arts?

[wolfsite]

eyesofastorm wrote...

Why is stuff like this seemingly apparent to everyone except for Electronic Arts?

Well with many Client based programs new content is a given... though I will admit it does feel like it has been a while since the last update.

But I do agree if they want Origin to succeed they need to be improving the client constantly and stay in contact with the users to make sure the experience is a positive and working one.

[Dr Bob UK]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

That's just the GUI toolkit they used.  Not sure why you linked to it.

I genuinely thought it was Origin's source code.

[AloraKast]

benetti32 wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Here's a nice article that points out some good reasons why there's so much hate towards Origin.
http://www.escapistm...rigin-You-Stink

Great article, this sums it all up:

Remember that Steam entered an empty room in 2004. Yes, their early days were a mess of bugs and frustration. They could afford it, because they weren't facing a mature and deeply entrenched rival in the marketplace. Your customers - the people who buy EA games on the PC - already have Steam accounts. Some of them have libraries of dozens or even hundreds of games. They have friends lists and achievements and Steam is already a part of their computer. They don't see a need for you. You have to approach them in such a way that they will be willing to set all of that aside and begin building a new library on your service.

You seem to be operating under the idea that, "If we build it, they will come". The problem is, someone did build it. Seven years ago. Building it is no longer enough. Now you must build it and bribe people to show up. 

Thank you so much for a wonderful read Dash.  I absolutely love what Shamus wrote and think he's definitely got the right of it.  Now if only those responsible for Origin read this article as well and make the right decisions...

[AlanC9]

Matt251287 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Untill such a time as these "restrictive terms of service", are fully defined it will remain completely transparant that it is EA/Origin and only EA/Origin who are blocking the sale of ME3 on Steam.

You don't know what Chris meant. Therefore, he's lying. You sure you want to use "logic" like that?

IIRC, what he's talking about is that Steam wants a bigger cut of DLC revenue than EA is willing to cough up to them.

[Ahglock]

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Is it such a big surprise when a company treats people poorly people react negatively?  I just wont get it, maybe borrow my nephews xbox copy when he is done with it.  But people lashing out at a company that treats them like crap isn't a surprise to me and I am not going to get self-ighteous about them being self-righteous, though maybe I am self-righteous about those who are self-righteous complaining about others being self-righteous.  

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:17 .

[Johnsen1972]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

If you're so worried about privacy, then have a look at this: http://gpl.ea.com/eadm.html

That's just the GUI toolkit they used.  Not sure why you linked to it.

I genuinely thought it was Origin's source code.

If that would be Origin's Source code EA wouldnt be in this situation now. Dont you think?:innocent:

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 23 janvier 2012 - 03:17 .

[Dr Bob UK]

Ahglock wrote...

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Is it such a big surprise when a company treats people poorly people react negatively?  I just wont get it, maybe borrow my nephews xbox copy when he is done with it.  But people lashing out at a company that treats them like crap isn't a surprise to me and I am not going to get self-ighteous about them being self-righteous, though maybe I am self-righteous about those who are self-righteous complaining about others being self-righteous.  

Origin isn't spyware.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 23 janvier 2012 - 10:18 .

[Ahglock]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

Origin isn't spyware.

If you want to keep thinking that more power to you.  

[ArkkAngel007]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Dr Bob UK wrote...

It's annoying to see the self-righteous people come onto these forums to tell BioWare that they will not buy their game and that they may steal it instead.

Who do you people think you are?

Who is EA to require origin spyware?  While pirates may be bad actors, so is EA.  Is it such a big surprise when a company treats people poorly people react negatively?  I just wont get it, maybe borrow my nephews xbox copy when he is done with it.  But people lashing out at a company that treats them like crap isn't a surprise to me and I am not going to get self-ighteous about them being self-righteous, though maybe I am self-righteous about those who are self-righteous complaining about others being self-righteous.  

Origin isn't spyware.

You don't get it though!  EA wants to make it spyware and steal our personal information.  Who cares if it isn't now; EA will ensure that it will be when your back is turned.  The constantly refined and improving EULA says it's so!

Repent!  The end is nigh!

In all seriousness though, EA just needs to come out and be very clear with its consumers.  If they want to know what Origin does, let them know.  There isn't any harm to it; in fact, it's beneficial and establishes a trust between them and the consumer.  You can't afford to be a silent sally when you have a monster of a business like Steam dominating the market space.

So forget the Steam and EA politics, the open-source programs, and whatever; just concentrate on giving folks solid answers instead of sidelining them with run-around answers and silence.

[Lumikki]

Dr Bob UK wrote...

Origin isn't spyware.

Origin client is spyware like.

Maybe not by normal defination of spyware.  As usually spyware has to stay hidden, but when it's forced, what's the different. Example if you install spyware in someone else computer and the person knows that there is spyware, but can't remove it. It doesn't make it any less spyware.

In my eyes any program that collects information from users activity (by intrusion of privacy), so that user it self doesn't know or can't stop this information collection and software will send that information ourside of users computer to someone else, is spyware.

Now just because we know that Origin collects information, if we read the EULA, what most people does not. Doesn't change facts that you can't avoid this information collection. Origin still collects information about users behavior, like what softwares user is using and so on.

Only way to avoid this spying is STOP PLAYING EA GAMES, what are connected to Origin client. What means not installing Origin client.

Modifié par Lumikki, 23 janvier 2012 - 04:51 .

[Burori]

It is with a heavy heart that I write this.

I wish to thank Bioware for the countless amount of hours I have spent on your games. Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights ( Which was my first MO RPG I ever joined and stayed with for 4 wonderful years), KOTOR and Mass effect. The experience I had with your games will never be forgotten nor the same.

However due to recent actions to this EA Origin application. I will be cancelling my Mass Effect 3 Pre-Order and will not be buying any future games that associates with EA.

I chose to not install Origin as a personal preference. By recent actions of telling me that I am forced to install it in order to play the games I enjoyed that you made you have forced my hand to regrettably leave with a heavy heart.

Bioware, I wish you the best.