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[Sylvianus]

Icinix wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

If players had games they did not buy they were concerned about - do you really think they would being buying ME3 in the first place?

The reasons are many, and different for a lot of people. Privacy, Additional Software, Origin Exclusive, to name a few.

Well that doesn't mean much. I have a friend who hacked TW2, like millions of others have done. And he planned to buy the physical version of M3. ( Now I don't know, with origin  )Some xbox players hacked Crysis 2 but Bought Modern warfare 3. There are lots of variables.

And the fact that many say, I will hack the game, if there's Origins, confirms me in the idea that there are some  things not clear.

I do not see how anyone that is a good and honest client all the time, can suddenly decides to hack a game because of a change.

What in you privacy is threatened in the concrete ? That's like C.I. A, they can know absolutely everything ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .

[Sylvianus]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

It only needs internet to register the game.  Afterwards, Origin can be put in offline mode.  You do (obviously) need it to be online for multiplayer.

Ok thanks.

[theycallmeryan]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

count_4 wrote...

It's amazing really. I never even thought about not buying ME3.

Same here. ME3 was among the most certain "must buys" of my gaming history. There were a lot of things I was sceptical or not too happy about, but there was never a doubt about my preorder. It is gone now.

Mass Effect 3 was my most anticipated game in history, but now I refuse to buy it. I hate that BioWare and EA can't swallow their greed and put ME3 on Steam.

[Pixieking]

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

Signed!

[MaaZeus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Apparently it scans data outside of its folder. Although others who use it say it doesn't. There is no definite answer.

It does not scan outside it's folder. Myself and others proved this. It did in the past do so but it does not anymore. Even in the past it still scanned no more private information than "in reality" Steam scans. Ask Wolfie about that who ran tests to show this to be true.

That is good news. I have absolutely no problems if it keeps scanning itself, IMO it has right to do so. If only they would change the EULA to reflect that then I would have absolutely NO issues with Origin.

[Icinix]

Sylvianus wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

If players had games they did not buy they were concerned about - do you really think they would being buying ME3 in the first place?

The reasons are many, and different for a lot of people. Privacy, Additional Software, Origin Exclusive, to name a few.

Well that doesn't mean much. I have a friend who hacked TW2, like millions of others have done. And he planned to buy the physical version of M3. ( Now I don't know, with origin  )Some xbox players hacked Crysis 2 but Bought Modern warfare 3. There are lots of variables.

And the fact that many say, I will hack the game, if there's Origins, confirms me in the idea that there are some  things not clear.

I do not see how anyone that is a good and honest client all the time, can suddenly decides to hack a game because of a change.

What in you privacy is threatened in the concrete ? That's like C.I. A, they can know absolutely everything ?

Er...what?

You said if someone was worried about getting caught out because of games they didn't own - my argument is those people will shrug and get games through alternative means.

The only people who will have their privacy potentially violated is the honest gamers.

We use our computers for storage of family photos, documents, medical history, tax returns, our CV's, maybe our own stories, game designs, art work whatever.

It is wrong, so very fracking wrong, that anything - ANYTHING - should have or BE in the position to access those parts of our lives. Its not about people hiding things, its about no-one else having the right to them, accidentally or not.

[abaris]

Sylvianus wrote...

What in you privacy is threatened in the concrete ? That's like C.I. A, they can know absolutely everything ?

Think of your physical mailbox - the one in front of your house. It's probably loaded with advertising crap on a daily basis. Now think of your computer as something showing your habits, your preferences, the things you like and the websites you visit.

What companies are trying to do, is getting that kind of picture by your giving consent to data mining. Harmless as it may seem on the outside, it means you're pestered by each and every offer they think might appeal to you. Some even partner up with different companies and these companies start pestering you too. So, advertorial crapware is a given.

And then there's the useless bloatware running background processes. With running just one client, you probably don't even notice. But with ten of them, it's a substantial hit to ressources better used for things you really want to do on your computer.

[rpmorri]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

a) yes, from my point of view it's sad to see that people let the temptation to play a game win over something that should actually be worth more to them. It's the ongoing errosion of privacy that bothers me. And please, spare me with "if you have nothing to hide,then you have nothing to be afraid of" or automatically assume that by not wanting to give up my privacy I have something illegal to hide. (The latter sentence was more of a general statement; it wasn't meant as an offense).

Why would someone spare you when Pete Moore won't?  This essentially is the reason why EA Sports pisses on the PC community; we didn't make our goals???  You stole from us!!!

...nevermind the fact that they're 4 years into "debating" the problem, and nothing's (going to be) done about it.  Blaming your customer base is a ****ty practice...maybe instead you might want to focus on making something other than a simple console port; possibly then your merchandise will sell.

The only series EA's had a hand in since that time that I've ordered is ME...and I'll be damned if they're foisting Origin on me.  Keep the game, I'll stick with Bethesda.

[craigdolphin]

Would sign the petition but I don't care if ME3 is on Steam. Don't want Steam either. I just want ME3 without Origin/Steam, or for the Origin EULA/TOS to respect my right to provacy and not to allow EA, in the future, to remove my ability to play games I've legally purchased.

[ttchip]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

Not be be rude or anything, but in the middle drop-down option, you should change "mit" to "with." Not everyone knows German.

we gotta change that one.

[Chuvvy]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  

Ohhh, I hope the irony of this statement doesn't escape you.

[Alpha Bootis]

Slidell505 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  

Ohhh, I hope the irony of this statement doesn't escape you.

Is so iron it almost escapes gravity and falls of the face of this planet. 

[MaaZeus]

Icinix wrote...

Er...what?

You said if someone was worried about getting caught out because of games they didn't own - my argument is those people will shrug and get games through alternative means.

The only people who will have their privacy potentially violated is the honest gamers.

We use our computers for storage of family photos, documents, medical history, tax returns, our CV's, maybe our own stories, game designs, art work whatever.

It is wrong, so very fracking wrong, that anything - ANYTHING - should have or BE in the position to access those parts of our lives. Its not about people hiding things, its about no-one else having the right to them, accidentally or not.

Indeed. Just because one has nothing to hide doesnt mean one has to keep everything open. Its called having a privacy, a personal space you dont want people to intrude.

For example, if one has nothing sensitive in ones mobile phone would you give it without questions to just anyone who wants to look around its contents and messages?

[chance52]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

Privacy is the real problem.

This is a really simplistic argument. "The only people with a problem with Origin data-mining are the ones who have something to hide".  No the people who have a problem with this are taking a moral stand that a video game company shouldn't take liberties with collecting it's customers personal information that their governments have to go to court and get warrants to access. That providing a few days of entertainment doesn't entitle a video game company free reign to do what they want.

Are there some people who might want to hide some things? Probably.  Is that everyone?  Not even close. If my phone company wants to provide the police with my GPS info because I've gone missing, that makes sense.  A video game company wanting to rummage around on my pc to see files that have nothing to do with their product does not.

And to those who argue that Origin only did that in the past are forgetting that not taking these actions around their announcement that it is mandatory makes sense, nothing is stopping them from doing it a month or two after release.  Just look at what it took for the Germans to get EA to change.  Outrage on a scale that we haven't even begun to approach and the revelation that EA was in direct violation with many German laws

Modifié par chance52, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:08 .

[Pcmag1]

ttchip wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

Not be be rude or anything, but in the middle drop-down option, you should change "mit" to "with." Not everyone knows German.

we gotta change that one.

Dude given German history I would specify what 'it' stands for

[Ryzaki]

Slidell505 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  

Ohhh, I hope the irony of this statement doesn't escape you.

Me neither.

[ttchip]

Pcmag1 wrote...
Dude given German history I would specify what 'it' stands for

thats what the joke was all about!

[theycallmeryan]

cgrimm54 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I don't just want to play it through Steam, I want to buy it through Steam. Adding it as a non-Steam game feels incomplete. I want to be able to delete it and redownload it through Steam. I want to be able to manage my DLC through Steam. I want it to function exactly like every other PC game I own (I own most of my PC games on Steam).

Tell EA.  Their little fight with Valve over (presumably) DLC distribution combined with their craving for a larger chunk of the PC market is the reason we won't see it on Steam.

There's an easy way to solve the DLC situation though. Steam has a special section under Game Details for CD keys that you have to enter for online activation, DLC, etc. Why not have a special notice like the GFWL so on Steam, that says buying the EA DLC will give you a CD key that you have to activate in the game. Then, EA doesn't have to change ANYTHING with their DLC system, and Steam is happy because they can sell DLC. It's a very fair compromise if you ask me.

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

 

Signed it, I think we should start a petition somewhere EA and BioWare could see it. These forums would be a great idea, but BioWare is locking every thread that even mentions Steam or anti-Origin. It's sad to see such a great company fall so far.

[Rutix]

s

Chris Priestly wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Is there a customer complaints email for EA?

Yes, if you wish to complain to EA, you can reach them here.

Sadly EA support is so bad that you may never get an answer about your complaint. I have had to deal with EA support a couple of times and they were either stupid or gave so vague answers that you had to continue asking and waiting days for reply. I find it really too bad that you guys decided on using Origin. I already said that when Bioware became part of EA it would get worse and worse and it seems I was right. It is not that I would mind installing aditional software to play a game (although it annoys me) it is the EULA which is really distrubing. It basicly says that when you use Origin EA can scan all the files on your pc and use that information to improve their products or forward to third-party. And I know you would say: "But EA doesn't do that!" . Prove it! EA has been known to regard profit higher then customers for a very long time and so I don't  trust EA. Too bad because of this I have to miss playing the last part of Shepard.

[Alpha Bootis]

Sylvianus wrote...

I read this topic. And I still do not know what the real problem is. Yes, privacy, I read. But what is the real problem? People have things not clear on their computer ? Games they did not buy ?

The only real problem I've read, is that it is required to be connected to the internet. I agree, that sucks.

I haven't downloaded a single computer game since i've been using Steam. That would be about 5 or 6 years now? And its not like i don't know how to. I easly could if i would but i don't. 
Yet despite of this I still dont want to sign EA's redicilous EULA. Riddle me that with your logic.

[Sylvianus]

Okay, thanks for the answers. I am playing on xbox, so not easy to understand the issue.

[MaaZeus]

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

Signed. If its on Steam or not I couldnt care less (despite having a steam account) but I just hate the idea that us physical copy buyers are being forcefeeded with Origin without any option.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[vallore]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Please use this thread to continue to ask your questions about Mass Effect 3 and Origin.

Please remember:[list=1][*]Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.[*]Mass Effect 3 is not currently available on Steam. This may change in the future, but complaining to BioWare/EA that it is not on Steam will not help. We continue to work with Steam/Valve to make Mass Effect 3 available on Steam.
[/list:o]
The previous version of this thread and responses can be seen HERE. It was closed to help gather outstanding questions on Mass Efffect 3 and Origin, if anyone has a collected list, please let me know so I do not miss any. Please use this thread to continue the discussion. Thanks.

I will repost my questions here then:


Very important: What data, exactly, is collected from our PCs?

(example of what I’m aiming here: if we knew it collected only information about what EA games we have installed and nothing else, that would we reassuring, but if it was something vague as “data that allows us, at EA, to improve our relation with our customers,” it would not, as it is too vague for us to know what you are aiming for).


Also, why, exactly, is it collected?

(if we are supposed to give you our data, it would be nice to know what, exactly,  is it for).

Most importantly; in regard to Origin, why can’t we have an opt-out from data collecting? Can we hope this will change?
(Not everyone has the same desire of privacy. It is both an individual and cultural issue; it would be great if EA would acknowledge this by allowing those of us who desire greater privacy to keep it).

Finally; assuming the EULA does not reflect what exactly is being collected, (it seems to give EA the right to collect anything),is it going to be changed to be accurate? When?



Thanks for reading, and if you can get any answer to this, it would be much appreciated,
 Vallore

(edited for clarity)

Modifié par vallore, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .

[Tlan]

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