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[Lumikki]

Icinix wrote...

I'm yet to hear a single reason as to why its actually needed.

I can understand why it's needed. How ever, I can't understand why force it to everyone or even more I can't understand why force data collection in it. I understand the benefit for company, but I also understand customers rights.

Diversity in products gives customer choices to use what they want. So, I see digital distribution software just as one more possibility how players can get they games. It has benefits and down sides.

I don't like EA's attitude as forcing customers to use it. It's not anymore diversity, it's just replacement product and assumption that everyone is fine by it. That's bad move.

[Ottemis]

Icinix wrote...
But some people are prepared to give up their freedoms and privacy so willingly - how is that incorrect? There was no assumption of motivation involved.

Regardless - it was a deeper comment directed at more than just Origin, but all the other interesting developments regarding personal freedoms and privacy that have been flicking about the last couple of years. It was more than just Origin.

That the argumentation was directed at the general situation was obvious, I didn't need to be clued in.
If with "some people are prepared to give up their freedoms and privacy so willingly" you are referring to people that have vocally informed you of the fact that they really couldn't give a toss, then fair enough, the statement is valid enough for those individuals. Extending the statement would be presumptuous though.

Clive Howlitzer wrote...
So you are fine with living in a fascist state with no liberty and no freedom? It isn't worth giving up freedom and liberty just to SURVIVE. I was talking about it in a broad sense, I am not talking about Origin. Although in the context of this thread, I am not sure how accepting bull**** like EA is doing is required for you to survive. Really REALLY want to play Mass Effect 3, huh?

That the argumentation was directed at the general situation was obvious, I didn't need to be clued in.
No I think some people are more concearned with other pressing issues that might be directly endangering their life to get involved in any and every concearn in the world. This is an extreme example, while just stating difference in prioritisation covers that point with a bit more finesse. As did me stating "there's lots of slippery slopes".
If you want to continue making assumptions towards people that "don't do as you do" don't expect it to make you look particularly smart, or come across as particularly sympathetic.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:40 .

[Lumikki]

Mister Mida wrote...

I don't see the point in going full console. After the current generation, there is probably only one more coming. Two maybe even. But the future is the PC, the unclaimed platform. The pubs think they now have the means to take control over it by establishing a permanent foothold on your system by using crap like Steam and Origin. And I don't like where this is going. Sooner or later, Activision and others will do the same thing and it'll only be a matter of time before we stop saying 'I game on the PC' and start saying 'I game on Steam' or 'I game on Origin'. It's corporate imperialism at its best.

More important than that, is not everyone is fine with consoles. Some people actually prefer PC's. So, I see consoles and PC's just diversity for players. Everyone choose what fits they neeeds.

Again company make assumptions that all people are fine by just one type of game platform.

In the end companies wants FULL control, but people want freedom of choice. It's disagreement, opposite needs.

[Icinix]

Lumikki wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I don't see the point in going full console. After the current generation, there is probably only one more coming. Two maybe even. But the future is the PC, the unclaimed platform. The pubs think they now have the means to take control over it by establishing a permanent foothold on your system by using crap like Steam and Origin. And I don't like where this is going. Sooner or later, Activision and others will do the same thing and it'll only be a matter of time before we stop saying 'I game on the PC' and start saying 'I game on Steam' or 'I game on Origin'. It's corporate imperialism at its best.

More important than that, is not everyone is fine with consoles. Some people actually prefer PC's. So, I see consoles and PC's just diversity for players. Everyone choose what fits they neeeds.

Again company make assumptions that all people are fine by just one type of game platform.

In the end companies wants FULL control, but people want freedom of choice. It's disagreement, opposite needs.

I'd say we're looking more and more down the barrel of a digital platform lease system for games that you play off of the internet rather the hardware in your home.

Which is obviously great for the companies, terrible for the consumers, and ultimately speculation for what may or may not occur. But as a gambling man, I think thats where we'll be pretty soon. You'll lease games off of Steam, off of Origin, off of Xbox Live whatever. You'll never have physical ownership of anything.

[Icinix]

Lumikki wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I'm yet to hear a single reason as to why its actually needed.

I can understand why it's needed. How ever, I can't understand why force it to everyone or even more I can't understand why force data collection in it. I understand the benefit for company, but I also understand customers rights.

Diversity in products gives customer choices to use what they want. So, I see digital distribution software just as one more possibility how players can get they games. It has benefits and down sides.

I don't like EA's attitude as forcing customers to use it. It's not anymore diversity, it's just replacement product and assumption that everyone is fine by it. That's bad move.

Dead set serious - can you elaborate on what its needed? I actually am not understanding why its needed.

[Lumikki]

Icinix wrote...

Dead set serious - can you elaborate on what its needed? I actually am not understanding why its needed.

You are taking Origin client right, why it's needed?

Okey, first I have no personal need for it at all, I just don't like any digital distribution software.

How ever, that doesn't mean it does have benefits.

Example it can offer player big choices of games and what can be buyed directly from home as using players own computer. Digital distribution software also allow fast delivery, meaning player can get game really fast through internet depending players internet connection speed. Also because digital delivery is cheaper than hard copy, it can offer games with lower prices for customers.

Point been we people aren't same. Some people value these benefits what Digital distribution can offer. Even if it also has downside too. What you self need isn't allways same what someone else needs.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 10:44 .

[MadLaughter]

You know what Forbidden meant, Stanley. Be an ambassador for the community, not the guy waiting in the wings with a quota for how many times you can nitpick a person's argument to death as opposed to responding to the meat of it.

I have never once seen you be on the side of the community in any situation where it comes down to the community versus an EA/Bioware Policy/Strategy. And if that's your job, that's fine, just SAY IT. So that people who are reading your messages know that you can never disagree with the methods of your employer and so that undertaking a discussion with you about controversial policies is not only a fruitless endeavor but frankly, a waste of their time and energy.

[Wittand25]

Icinix wrote...
I'd say we're looking more and more down the barrel of a digital platform lease system for games that you play off of the internet rather the hardware in your home.

Which is obviously great for the companies, terrible for the consumers, and ultimately speculation for what may or may not occur. But as a gambling man, I think thats where we'll be pretty soon. You'll lease games off of Steam, off of Origin, off of Xbox Live whatever. You'll never have physical ownership of anything.

That already exists. E.g OnLive. I just hope that it will take a long time until that actually becomes mandatory instead of an option. Because somehow renting a game from a server farm seems wrong and such a service does makes mods and cheats impossible, not to mention that you are unable to play if you loose your internet connection.

[Icinix]

Lumikki wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Dead set serious - can you elaborate on what its needed? I actually am not understanding why its needed.

You are taking Origin client right, why it's needed?

Okey, first I have no personal need for it at all, I just don't like any digital distribution software.

How ever, that doesn't mean it does have benefits.

Example it can offer player big choice in games and what can be buyed directly from home as using players own computer. Digital distribution software also allow fast delivery, meaning play can get game really fast through internet depending player internet connection speed. Also because digital delivery is cheaper than hard copy, it can offer games with lower prices for customers.

Point been we people aren't same. Some people value these benefits what Digital distribution can offer. Even if it also has downside too. What you self need isn't allways same what someone else needs.

Oh I get all that - great if that works for you - but I still can't see one single actual reason where EA has come out and said.

"We get you don't want Origin, but THIS is why we NEED to have it installed."

So far its a lot of "We believe..." or "We think..." regarding making the player experience better. In this case what they're telling me is going to work best of me personally, and I know a lot of other people if I'm as familiar with the Australian internet as I think I am, is in fact going to cause a hindrance.

There appears to be no benefit that can't be fulffiled in other just as effectively, if not more so, ways.  I cannot, for the life of me, see a reason that Origin should be totally 100% optional for people who do not play multplayer or do not purchase through Origin.

[Ottemis]

MadLaughter wrote...

You know what Forbidden meant, Stanley. Be an ambassador for the community, not the guy waiting in the wings with a quota for how many times you can nitpick a person's argument to death as opposed to responding to the meat of it.

I have never once seen you be on the side of the community in any situation where it comes down to the community versus an EA/Bioware Policy/Strategy. And if that's your job, that's fine, just SAY IT. So that people who are reading your messages know that you can never disagree with the methods of your employer and so that undertaking a discussion with you about controversial policies is not only a fruitless endeavor but frankly, a waste of their time and energy.

I more read Woo's post as saying "Disagree however much you want, dislike Origin asmuch as you want, but it's aproductive in this topic".
Can be both his opinion and job as moderator on these boards, and fair enough either way.
If you don't like Origin that's fine, but direct questions in this topic, what's the point of chanting in here that you don't like the answers 200 times over? Or claims of EA forcing us to use/buy things, they're not. Healthy argumentation is fine, it's the mud-flinging, wild claims and endless repetition.

If you're against DD's or Origin specificly, start a friggin campaign, don't overrun a topic with repeated concearns that are, essentially, off-topic. Serves no purpose to voice that concearn here, while you could stick all that energy into ACTUALLY doing something instead of clogging up a topic not directly meant for it.

For people claiming to care about the privacy concearn, you could grab your balls and actually take action instead of posting in a topic raging about it where your effort is largely lost. And yes, that argument would apply to me if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't. But then I'm also not raging against Origin.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:08 .

[Lumikki]

Icinix wrote...

Oh I get all that - great if that works for you - but I still can't see one single actual reason where EA has come out and said.

"We get you don't want Origin, but THIS is why we NEED to have it installed."

That is also what I don't get. Why try to force ALL people to use it, when some people will never accept it. It's just bad business decission.

If you want me to make quest, why it has to be installed. It's because EA made design mistake in they software, they made they origin client so that games DRM is centralized so that games can not function without origin. They did this because they think that multiplaying is what everyone wants, because they self think that way, as it to be the future.

They never thinked that some player could just want to play single player game without Origin or multiplaying and would not accept this new God given gift named Origin client. It's basicly lack of judgement call, bad choice, mistake. Now we suffer, because company can't admit that they did make mistake. They are too proud.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 11:10 .

[Icinix]

Wittand25 wrote...

Icinix wrote...
I'd say we're looking more and more down the barrel of a digital platform lease system for games that you play off of the internet rather the hardware in your home.

Which is obviously great for the companies, terrible for the consumers, and ultimately speculation for what may or may not occur. But as a gambling man, I think thats where we'll be pretty soon. You'll lease games off of Steam, off of Origin, off of Xbox Live whatever. You'll never have physical ownership of anything.

That already exists. E.g OnLive. I just hope that it will take a long time until that actually becomes mandatory instead of an option. Because somehow renting a game from a server farm seems wrong and such a service does makes mods and cheats impossible, not to mention that you are unable to play if you loose your internet connection.

Yeah - I'm very anti cloud and very anti- "digital ownership" (which to me is just as dumb as Reality Television).

The very concept seems to fly in the face of owning something. You have no control over what you own, what you have. Sure the argument can be made, you don't actually own that music CD, that game, that movie, you own the rights to listen, play and view it. But you were never limited by outside factors in your ability to enjoy it prior to the digital age.

Now its totally in the hands of dozens of outside factors - to the point where something you 'own' is residing on the other side of the planet. You can't see it, you can't touch it, you can't move it. If one of those dozens of outside influences springs up, you lose it. You may never get it back. You may lose all evidence you ever had it.

If you like that you have the benefit of being able to download it wherever you want, stream it to your devices, whatever. Great! I'm thrilled for you! But I just hope the people who refuse to give up physical ownership aren't ostracised because of their opinions, nor lose their ability to enjoy entertainment because they refuse to go down that path.

[Icinix]

Lumikki wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Oh I get all that - great if that works for you - but I still can't see one single actual reason where EA has come out and said.

"We get you don't want Origin, but THIS is why we NEED to have it installed."

That is also what I don't get. Why try to force ALL people to use it, when some people will never accept it. It's just bad business decission.

If you want me to make quest, why it has to be installed. It's because EA made design mistake in they software, they made they origin client so that games DRM is centralized so that games can not function without origin. They did this because they think that multiplaying is what everyone wants, because they self think that way, as it to be the future.

They never thinked that some player could just want to play single player game without Origin or multiplaying and would not accept this new God given gift named Origin client. It's basicly lack of judgement call, bad choice, mistake. Now we suffer, because company can't admit that they did mistake.

If that is the case, then its a huge botch up, because isn't that exactly the same mistake Windows Live for Windows made?

Hypothetically : I do wonder two things. 1) Would Origin be required if ME3 didn't have multiplayer? 2) Will the multiplayer client part of ME3 be run independant of the single player?

[Jaina Twoseas]

Jaina Twoseas wrote...

I have a Question regarding Localization of Games / ME3 on Origin:

Is it possible to change language (voice and text) to english regardless in which country i buy? In Germany some games i order via Amazon come in german only localization which sucks hardcore, it would be nice to know that i can enjoy the entire game in english.

Steam for example always offers a change of language regardless where you purchase, however i read issues about EA related products (i think it was webstore) that appear only in the language where your IP Address resides, i hope Origin offers at least a change of language for games in a fashion steam does.

Sorry to bump this but it would be really nice to get some official response to this.

[PyroByte]

anzolino wrote...

@Pyro
I'm on XP, you too? If not, maybe that's the difference?

Most things people bring up about Origin (gathering your IP, OS etc.) can be done by a website (or cookie) but nobody cares about that.

I do )
(Especially whren I read BF3 starts the browser, but I care always about the data mining through browser.)

Edit: The changes made to the EULA and the test done by a major german computer magazine, which showed that Origin isn't doing anything wrong (they did an intensiv scan and sniffed the network traffic), finally convinced me.

Nope, they didn't sniffed the network traffic (not the ct) because they didn't see any reason for sniffing after they thought there were no file system accesses.
This is the reason why I'm not convinced.

I'm on windows 7 (has a better build in firewall opposed to win xp anyway)

Battlelog running through a browser bothers me more as Origin does (Would prefer it being integrated in Origin or BF3 directly). I just hope bioware isn't going the samy way with Mass Effect 3 multiplayer.

Just checked the ct article again you are right they didn't sniff the network traffic because they already gathered by anaylsing Origin's behaviour that it doesn't collect any data which it could send.
But there was pc games hardware form user who did indeed sniff origins network traffic and couldn't find anything suspicious (Source (german):extreme.pcgameshardware.de/battlefield-serie/183151-origin-festplattenzugriffe-update-seite-4-a.html )

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ottemis wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...

You know what Forbidden meant, Stanley. Be an ambassador for the community, not the guy waiting in the wings with a quota for how many times you can nitpick a person's argument to death as opposed to responding to the meat of it.

I have never once seen you be on the side of the community in any situation where it comes down to the community versus an EA/Bioware Policy/Strategy. And if that's your job, that's fine, just SAY IT. So that people who are reading your messages know that you can never disagree with the methods of your employer and so that undertaking a discussion with you about controversial policies is not only a fruitless endeavor but frankly, a waste of their time and energy.

I more read Woo's post as saying "Disagree however much you want, dislike Origin asmuch as you want, but it's aproductive in this topic".
Can be both his opinion and job as moderator on these boards, and fair enough either way.
If you don't like Origin that's fine, but direct questions in this topic, what's the point of chanting in here that you don't like the answers 200 times over? Or claims of EA forcing us to use/buy things, they're not. Healthy argumentation is fine, it's the mud-flinging, wild claims and endless repetition.

If you're against DD's or Origin specificly, start a friggin campaign, don't overrun a topic with repeated concearns that are, essentially, off-topic. Serves no purpose to voice that concearn here, while you could stick all that energy into ACTUALLY doing something instead of clogging up a topic not directly meant for it.

For people claiming to care about the privacy concearn, you could grab your balls and actually take action instead of posting in a topic raging about it where your effort is largely lost. And yes, that argument would apply to me if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't. But then I'm also not raging against Origin.

Ok, you don't prioritize it higher at this moment - got it. Isn't it great then, that there are others who are concerned and have it listed more towards the top of their lists of things they care about? As in the end you'd be benefitting from that as well - unless you regard e.g. the collection of your data as something good. You might not care about it as much as they do at this time but effectively they are helping you. Isn't that something positive? 

[magic space chicken]

any news on Origin?

[didymos1120]

magic space chicken wrote...

any news on Origin?

Like what? It not being required.  That's not gonna happen.

[Ottemis]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...
You know what Forbidden meant, Stanley. Be an ambassador for the community, not the guy waiting in the wings with a quota for how many times you can nitpick a person's argument to death as opposed to responding to the meat of it.

I have never once seen you be on the side of the community in any situation where it comes down to the community versus an EA/Bioware Policy/Strategy. And if that's your job, that's fine, just SAY IT. So that people who are reading your messages know that you can never disagree with the methods of your employer and so that undertaking a discussion with you about controversial policies is not only a fruitless endeavor but frankly, a waste of their time and energy.

I more read Woo's post as saying "Disagree however much you want, dislike Origin asmuch as you want, but it's aproductive in this topic".
Can be both his opinion and job as moderator on these boards, and fair enough either way.
If you don't like Origin that's fine, but direct questions in this topic, what's the point of chanting in here that you don't like the answers 200 times over? Or claims of EA forcing us to use/buy things, they're not. Healthy argumentation is fine, it's the mud-flinging, wild claims and endless repetition.

If you're against DD's or Origin specificly, start a friggin campaign, don't overrun a topic with repeated concearns that are, essentially, off-topic. Serves no purpose to voice that concearn here, while you could stick all that energy into ACTUALLY doing something instead of clogging up a topic not directly meant for it.

For people claiming to care about the privacy concearn, you could grab your balls and actually take action instead of posting in a topic raging about it where your effort is largely lost. And yes, that argument would apply to me if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't. But then I'm also not raging against Origin.

Ok, you don't prioritize it higher at this moment - got it. Isn't it great then, that there are others who are concerned and have it listed more towards the top of their lists of things they care about? As in the end you'd be benefitting from that as well - unless you regard e.g. the collection of your data as something good. You might not care about it as much as they do at this time but effectively they are helping you. Isn't that something positive?

Do you have some kind of reading disability? Because your responce is definately not tailored towards my actual post. Maybe towards what you think I said but clearly didn't, skimping my reply?

Also, I'd be benefitting if the effort was productive, which it clearly isn't right now.
Moaning about it in this topic is the equivalent of howling at the moon if you ask me.

/offtopic

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:14 .

[Lumikki]

Ottemis wrote...

Also, I'd be benefitting if the effort was productive, which it clearly isn't right now.
Moaning about it in this topic is the equivalent of howling at the moon if you ask me.

So, what you say that inability actually play the game isn't enough reason to complain situation as much we do?
We would just have to accept situation and be quiet. So, if we would be quiet, then how would anyone even know that there is something wrong in the situation?

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 12:23 .

[Ottemis]

Lumikki wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Also, I'd be benefitting if the effort was productive, which it clearly isn't right now.
Moaning about it in this topic is the equivalent of howling at the moon if you ask me.

So, what you say that inability actually play the game isn't enough reason to complain situation as much we do?
We would just have to accept situation and be quiet. So, if we would be quiet, then how would anyone even know that there is something wrong in the situation?

Sigh, go read my post before you object to statements I never made.

[Tup3x]

Lumikki, whining in this thread about Origin privacy will not do anything. You should direct your feedback elsewhere.

[Ottemis]

@Tup3xi: I should stick to oneliners too, less complicated.