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[Mitchumas]

I think people have a right to state their veiws... If people have a problem with Origin then by all means compalin away... If people can't pull their heads out their rear and get over themselves for 5 minutes than that's their problem... change comes from a single idea, which becomes a single voice, that becomes many... and eventually it does get heard by those that matter... so for those that have a problem with people that don't like the situation, for those who THINK they have the answers, of for those that just THINK their right... get the hell over yourselves... your not at all as smart as you think you are and believe it or not... everyone that is not happy with the situation... you all have been heard... and I don't give a rats if I get a ban for this... Over the people who think they just know and have all the answers... So complain away people... stuff em...

[Lumikki]

Tup3xi wrote...

Lumikki, whining in this thread about Origin privacy will not do anything. You should direct your feedback elsewhere.

This is thread about Origin in ME3. So, this is correct place for feedback.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

@Ottemis

My apologies that bolding the section I was referring to wasn't clear enough to you. As you had said

 if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't.

in very similar ways in (an) earlier  post(s), I had assumed that you'd be able to understand what I was talking about. On behalf of that moaning won't help here - well, take a look at what happened in Germany once the amount of complaints made it into the mainstream media and changes to the EULA were made. They are even running localized servers now for that reason I read somewhere if I'm not mistaken.

"Who fights can lose, who doesn't fight has already lost"

[Ottemis]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
@Ottemis

My apologies that bolding the section I was referring to wasn't clear enough to you. As you had said

if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't.

in very similar ways in (an) earlier  post(s), I had assumed that you'd be able to understand what I was talking about. On behalf of that moaning won't help here - well, take a look at what happened in Germany once the amount of complaints made it into the mainstream media and changes to the EULA were made. They are even running localized servers now for that reason I read somewhere if I'm not mistaken.

"Who fights can lose, who doesn't fight has already lost"

I said " if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't." to explain why my own argument to take the fight where it would have impact was not something i'd go do myself.

If you want to complain about Origin being needed, for whatever reason, don't do it in a topic that's there to answer questions. Go do it somewhere where it would logicly have more impact, aside from it not clogging up this topic needlessly. That's not me saying you shouldn't complain, that's me saying do it properly and productively, and don't clog this topic up with it while it's initial purpose is being snowed under.

If you care so much about this subject, go do something about it in a productive fashion. It's not that complicated.

Now I'd appreciate it if people either
1. don't quote me or
2. Only quote me if you've actualy read and understoold my posts
I'm absolutely DONE repeating myself 20 times over, because people seem incapable of reading comprehension.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:51 .

[Mitchumas]

Ottemis wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
@Ottemis

My apologies that bolding the section I was referring to wasn't clear enough to you. As you had said

if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't.

in very similar ways in (an) earlier  post(s), I had assumed that you'd be able to understand what I was talking about. On behalf of that moaning won't help here - well, take a look at what happened in Germany once the amount of complaints made it into the mainstream media and changes to the EULA were made. They are even running localized servers now for that reason I read somewhere if I'm not mistaken.

"Who fights can lose, who doesn't fight has already lost"

I said " if i'd prioritise it higher at this moment, I don't." to explain why my own argument to take the fight where it would have impact was not something i'd go do myself.

If you want to complain about Origin being needed, for whatever reason, don't do it in a topic that's there to answer questions. Go do it somewhere where it would logicly have more impact, aside from it not clogging up this topic needlessly. That's not me saying you shouldn't complain, that's me saying do it properly and productively, and don't clog this topic up with it while it's initial purpose is being snowed under.

If you care so much about this subject, go do something about it in a productive fashion. It's not that complicated.

Now I'd appreciate it if people either
1. don't quote me or
2. Only quote me if you've actualy read and understoold my posts
I'm absolutely DONE repeating myself 20 times over, because people seem incapable of reading comprehension.

 Well it other that they seam incapable or they just don't have their head shoved up their ass as far as you do...

[Lumikki]

Ottemis wrote...

Now I'd appreciate it if people either
1. don't quote me or
2. Only quote me if you've actualy read and understoold my posts

We understand perfectly you message. We just disagree, because you message is just what suits your needs. As long forum doesn't have two seperated "allowed" threads for these different tasks, we are stuck to be in same thread. Sorry about if our conserns are inconvenient for you. I can understand you need for just get answers and ask questions. But some of us just have a lot of BIGGER issues, at least for us, like unability even play the game.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[Ottemis]

Lumikki what suits my needs is this topic not being clogged because you people think your problems with Origin trump the main purpose of this topic? That's basically me saying "mind other people because they're using this topic for what it was meant for" and you saying "screw you, I'll do WHAT I WANT".

And if you'd, for one second, think logically about what I was saying, you'd agree I'm right in saying there are BETTER places to vent your frustration over Origin. That there are places and ways to voice this concern and gather a following plus possible momentum, doing more then just clogging up a topic.
Where it has impact. Now tell me how I'm saying something that's not relevant to your needs.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

@Ottemis

Well, let's see:

EA (Bioware) is about to release Mass Effect 3 including Origin. So if I wanted to express my discontent, it would defy any logic to turn to anybody else but the previously mentioned parties.

This being the Bioware forum I certainly managed to find a right place for it.

This thread about "Origin and Mass Effect 3" is not the first of it's kind on this site, where (potential) customers are trying to get answers, which will affect their choice of whether they will buy or won't buy the product or questions regarding Origin in general and how things will change with this "new" DD platform.

P.S.: Ever tried decaf?

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:10 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Forbidden wrote...
 I'm the one being asked to give EA money for their software.  They want me to buy their games, I'm telling them what will convince me to do that.  As of now, they won't be getting any of my money if they require me to install malware along with it.   I enjoyed the previous two mass effects and dragon age, but there are plenty of other games that don't require malware.  I'll be playing those instead.

Sorry, Forbidden, but there's a small semantic difference. You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

With all due respect, that is almost exactly what he said. He didn't say he was being forced to buy anything. While I understand the sentiment of your post toward Forbidden and think it was an appropriate response to many posters in this topic, i think *his* whole post was pretty much in line with what you said.

I will say also that the idea of our outcries against Origin do not only represent individual consumers, but the majority decision of our particular demographic. As I've mentioned before, it's a small demographic, but probably affects sales beyond itself disproportionately. EA doesn't have to appease every single individual voice. BioWare doesn't have to change mission X or Y because we didn't like how they played out. We are making no such demand, nor strictly speaking any demand. We each individually voice our opinions so that the staff can get a better idea of our numbers and our reasoning and would hopefully do the right thing.

As employees of EA, and more generally professionals in the industry, it is unprofessional and potentially dangerous to your careers to voice any opinion on this topic and for that you have my understanding. However, not all video game companies are so unconcerned with doing what they see as the right thing, not *just* the profitable thing. And we fans of BioWare have put our trust in you to walk the line where you could both make great profits and stand up for yourselves and us. Many of us have stood up for decisions you've made in the past, and helped calm and explain situations on other controversial decisions. It's not that we are all just a bunch of complainers with sour attitudes and limited understanding. So you can perhaps understand that we are upset at what we view as a failure, and that this affects our long-term consumer-vendor relationships with BioWare and EA.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ottemis wrote...

Lumikki what suits my needs is this topic not being clogged because you people think your problems with Origin trump the main purpose of this topic? That's basically me saying "mind other people because they're using this topic for what it was meant for" and you saying "screw you, I'll do WHAT I WANT".

And if you'd, for one second, think logically about what I was saying, you'd agree I'm right in saying there are BETTER places to vent your frustration over Origin. That there are places and ways to voice this concern where it does more then just clog up a topic.
Where it has impact. Now tell me how I'm saying something that's not relevant to your needs.

HINT: Despite the fact that I did a full quote, I am primarily referring to the bolded part.

So please, go ahead. Please name a few of those "BETTER places", that will reach the according decision making people at EA/Bioware, that will create greater momentum, that will lead to opt-ins and what not.

Thanks, we appreciate your support & helpful input.

#Edit: text bit added

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:09 .

[Ottemis]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

@Ottemis

Well, let's see:

EA (Bioware) is about to release Mass Effect 3 including Origin. So if I wanted to express my discontent, it would defy any logic to turn to anybody else but the previously mentioned parties.

This being the Bioware forum I certainly managed to find a right place for.

This thread about "Origin and Mass Effect 3" is not the first of it's kind on this site, where (potential) customers are trying to get answers, which will affect their choice of whether they will buy or won't buy the product or questions regarding Origin in general and how things will change with this "new" DD platform.

P.S.: Ever tried decaf?

I though general consensis was that the overcoupling concearn was the control EA has over purchases, the privacy concearn and DD's in general. So go campaign away. What's happening in this thread is alot of people making less and more intelligent remarks about Origin and it being anything but an organised attempt to do anythign about it.

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
So please, go ahead. Please name a few of those "BETTER places", that will reach the according decision making people at EA/Bioware, that will create greater momentum, that will lead to opt-ins and what not.

NO, because it's not on my priority list, so it's neither my concearn nor my problem. Don't act like a 5 year old and actually go do something productive about something you claim is important to you.

I'm also completely done discussing this, you either continue complaining here or you go do something about this shared concearn. Whatever.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:15 .

[Lumikki]

Ottemis wrote...

Lumikki what suits my needs is this topic not being clogged because you people think your problems with Origin trump the main purpose of this topic? That's basically me saying "mind other people because they're using this topic for what it was meant for" and you saying "screw you, I'll do WHAT I WANT".

And if you'd, for one second, think logically about what I was saying, you'd agree I'm right in saying there are BETTER places to vent your frustration over Origin. That there are places and ways to voice this concern and gather a following plus possible momentum, doing more then just clogging up a topic.

Where it has impact. Now tell me how I'm saying something that's not relevant to your needs.

You are saying that I should go somewhere else, because you want this thread be only about questions and answer about Origin. That's nice, but..

Now can you say where I should go express my opinion if not in only accepted thread by Bioware/EA in this forum what is about Origin client in ME3?

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:11 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ottemis wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

@Ottemis

Well, let's see:

EA (Bioware) is about to release Mass Effect 3 including Origin. So if I wanted to express my discontent, it would defy any logic to turn to anybody else but the previously mentioned parties.

This being the Bioware forum I certainly managed to find a right place for.

This thread about "Origin and Mass Effect 3" is not the first of it's kind on this site, where (potential) customers are trying to get answers, which will affect their choice of whether they will buy or won't buy the product or questions regarding Origin in general and how things will change with this "new" DD platform.

P.S.: Ever tried decaf?

I though general consensis was that the overcoupling concearn was the control EA has over purchases, the privacy concearn and DD's in general. So go campaign away. What's happening in this thread is alot of people making less and more intelligent remarks about Origin and it being anything but an organised attempt to do anythign about it. Don't act like a 5 year old and actually go do something productive about it.

Yep, it's the bolded part again.

Like what ?

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ottemis wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

@Ottemis

Well, let's see:

EA (Bioware) is about to release Mass Effect 3 including Origin. So if I wanted to express my discontent, it would defy any logic to turn to anybody else but the previously mentioned parties.

This being the Bioware forum I certainly managed to find a right place for.

This thread about "Origin and Mass Effect 3" is not the first of it's kind on this site, where (potential) customers are trying to get answers, which will affect their choice of whether they will buy or won't buy the product or questions regarding Origin in general and how things will change with this "new" DD platform.

P.S.: Ever tried decaf?

I though general consensis was that the overcoupling concearn was the control EA has over purchases, the privacy concearn and DD's in general. So go campaign away. What's happening in this thread is alot of people making less and more intelligent remarks about Origin and it being anything but an organised attempt to do anythign about it.

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...
So
please, go ahead. Please name a few of those "BETTER places", that will
reach the according decision making people at EA/Bioware, that will
create greater momentum, that will lead to opt-ins and what not.

NO, because it's not on my priority list, so it's neither my concearn nor my problem. Don't act like a 5 year old and actually go do something productive about something you claim is important to you.

Oh darn and going by what you said I was under the impression that you actually knew of better places. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be so. Bummer.

By the way, do you realize, that by telling people to go elsewhere over and over to express their discontent, without even coming up with better alternatives, you are adding to the post count on this thread as well?

Good news Ottemis, need to get back to some other stuff for a good while.

[Wintersembrace]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

@Ottemis

Well, let's see:

EA (Bioware) is about to release Mass Effect 3 including Origin. So if I wanted to express my discontent, it would defy any logic to turn to anybody else but the previously mentioned parties.

This being the Bioware forum I certainly managed to find a right place for.

This thread about "Origin and Mass Effect 3" is not the first of it's kind on this site, where (potential) customers are trying to get answers, which will affect their choice of whether they will buy or won't buy the product or questions regarding Origin in general and how things will change with this "new" DD platform.

P.S.: Ever tried decaf?

I though general consensis was that the overcoupling concearn was the control EA has over purchases, the privacy concearn and DD's in general. So go campaign away. What's happening in this thread is alot of people making less and more intelligent remarks about Origin and it being anything but an organised attempt to do anythign about it. Don't act like a 5 year old and actually go do something productive about it.

Yep, it's the bolded part again.

Like what ?

I think he means go all nerd hulk on Ea RAGAHAHAHAHAHA

[Ottemis]

If this was a normal discussion and I didn't have to repeat myself 20 times over before people actually comprehend what I'm saying (and I'm really not speaking Chinese here), then I might have been inclined to actually come up with useful contributions as to how to set up a campaign and make this a healthy exchange. As it stands I don't judge any of you (active right now) to take my suggestions seriously, and I quite value my own time.
And yes, this argument doesn't help the off-topic post-count, but then my argument is a lot more productive then the aimless complaining of the last three threads.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:29 .

[Furtled]

Eurypterid wrote...
Unfortunately, yes, it seems so. The gaming industry (heck, the whole entertainment industry) is pushing for more and more control for them and less for the consumer. They want to be able to control how you use your product, when you use it, where you use it, how often you can use it, how you access it, and whether or not you can sell it off when you're done with it.

It seems you and I are of a similar age, as some of the old things you mentioned are very familiar to me as well. But I believe as a consequence of the digital age we've now moved into, many things are changing. Some not to our liking, and this is one of them. Is it destined to be this way? I don't know. But it sure seems like the industry is pushing for it.

Yep I'm old (and curmudgeonly - it was the mullets that gave it away wasn't it? ) but contrary to what some reading my walls-o-text might think (and seriously, internet cookies to you if you are you crazy people) I'm no Luddite.

Like you say, digital distribution and cloud gaming are one day going to be the way the majority play their games, there's no doubt about that (there are doubts about questions of ownership, security and pricing structures but that's another thing entirely), but we're not there yet. And I really don't think it's too much to ask that EA let me, and people like me, get to this at our own pace.

Yes I will very likely move into digital gaming eventually, but I'm a damn sight less likely to chose Origin as my digital gaming platform now than I was before this whole fiasco started.

As I see it EA have split their PC gaming customer base into the following scenarios:

• Customer buys game, installs Origin, plays it, keeps it, and continues to do all their game purchases through other (cheaper/better/more established) channels because EA still need to improve what they're offering to compete.
  
• Customer buys the game, begrudgingly installs Origin, finishes the game, de-installs both and never touches another Origin/EA product again due to the bad feeling the whole experience has left them with.
  
• Customer doesn't buy the game, customer is unhappy and left with a bad feeling towards EA. EA are unhappy because they lose out on a sale and any possible future custom.
  
• Customer decides an alternative route (we'll call it the naughty route and leave it at that) to play their game. 'Customer' is happy, EA are unhappy because they lose out on a sale and (potentially) any possible future custom.

The majority of these scenarios see EA losing a customer, some with more financial impact than others (business sidenote: getting customers back or pulling in new ones is far more expensive than retaining existing ones), but the loss of customer good will is what EA should be concerned about and they really don't appear to be. That speaks volumes about EA's attitude towards it's customer base and doesn't bode well for me or anyone else who buys their products now or in the future.

That's one of the most frustrating things for me through all of this (the other being the amount of flack BioWare are taking), because from a business standpoint the fix for that problem is chuffing obvious; it's not easy, but it's not impossible either!

Modifié par Furtled, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[Hardin4188]

It's better to just ignore people like Ottemis. This is the thread to discuss Origin and Mass Effect 3 despite what he may think. And we should be able to complain about Origin if we want.

Modifié par Hardin4188, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Forbidden wrote...

 I'm the one being asked to give EA money for their software.  They want me to buy their games, I'm telling them what will convince me to do that.  As of now, they won't be getting any of my money if they require me to install malware along with it.   I enjoyed the previous two mass effects and dragon age, but there are plenty of other games that don't require malware.  I'll be playing those instead.

Sorry, Forbidden, but there's a small semantic difference. You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

The customer, as always, chooses--using whatever criteria they wish--whether they accept what is being offered at the price at which is being offered, or not. All these people saying they won't buy the game are choosing to exercise their right as gamers and customers to not buy the game. That is great, and I respect and admire them for standing firm in their convictions and being responsible consumers. What I cannot and do not agree with is those same customers putting conditions on their purchases as if we were selling this game at a bazaar and haggling over price. That is not the relationship between buyer and seller here. As a publisher, EA is not going to take "counteroffers" or "conditions" from every individual gamer, least of all on BioWare's discussion forum. If you choose to buy Mass Effect 3, you are doing so with the full knowledge and (albeit grudging) acceptance that it comes with Origin. If you don't believe Origin is worth the cost (in money, features, privacy, or other principles), then you choose to not buy the product.

So continue to make a stand against Origin if you wish--awesome. Proudly proclaim your opinions regarding data privacy--fantastic. State your intentions to not buy if Origin is required--great! But Chris has already given you the answer that Mass Effect 3 will come with Origin and that Origin is required to play Mass Effect 3. Hoping for an eventual change is fine; demanding a change is not, at this time, productive. Sorry.

And that's part of the problem with companies as large as EA -- no one customer means anything to EA. 

And as far as I'm concerned, there is a bit of a coercive element in EA's strategy of attaching the Origin requirement to long-awaited sequels such as ME3.  "If you want to finish the story, if you want to see how things work out, then you HAVE to install Origin".  Being the way I am, that just makes me more dead-set against Origin in any form.

[Ottemis]

Hardin4188 wrote...

It's better to just ignore people like Ottemis. This is the thread to discuss Origin and Mass Effect 3 despite what he may think. And we should be able to complain about Origin if we want.

SHE, and go read the opening post, smart-ass.
And by all means, ignore me because my valid argument and point is inconveniencing your need to clog this topic and pretend you're fighting an injustice by voicing your opinion where it matters f-all.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .

[Furtled]

Stanley Woo wrote...
You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

I respectfully disagree, EA are forcing some gamers to chose between playing a game they've been anticipating for ages and their privacy/system control/principles - it's like saying 'cake or death; but oh, it's possible the cake's gone off a bit so you might end up with food poisoning'

Agreed that EA isn't holding a gun to any ones head demanding they buy ME3, but the principle's not far off given how much some people want to play the game v how little they want Origin on their PC. You know gamers, EA know gamers, they know what they're doing and they know that they have many of them over a barrel on this.

And now I want cake dammit

Modifié par Furtled, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .

[Mitchumas]

Hardin4188 wrote...

It's better to just ignore people like Ottemis. This is the thread to discuss Origin and Mass Effect 3 despite what he may think. And we should be able to complain about Origin if we want.

I think you'll find that Ottemis is a she... and one with control issues at that... try to dictate to people what their allowed and not allowed to post on an open forum...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ottemis wrote...

Hardin4188 wrote...

It's better to just ignore people like Ottemis. This is the thread to discuss Origin and Mass Effect 3 despite what he may think. And we should be able to complain about Origin if we want.

SHE, and go read the opening post, smart-ass.

What makes you think you're the thread police, to tell people what they can and can't discuss? 

How about YOU stop wasting posts and space and time trying to do the moderators job for them? 

[Ottemis]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Hardin4188 wrote...

It's better to just ignore people like Ottemis. This is the thread to discuss Origin and Mass Effect 3 despite what he may think. And we should be able to complain about Origin if we want.

SHE, and go read the opening post, smart-ass.

What makes you think you're the thread police, to tell people what they can and can't discuss? 
How about YOU stop wasting posts and space and time trying to do the moderators job for them? 

Look. You guys have a concearn, I happen to think you could go about voicing that concearn in a more productive manner. That's nothing more then a suggestion, I don't give a rats ass whether you complain or not, but as you guys seem to think it's cool to use this topic to voice your issues with Origin, over and over and over and over again, I though I had an equal right to comment on the futility of it and to point out that there would logicly be more viable alternatives.

If you were less concearned with winning this argument you might be willing to see that I have a freaking point and I'm not speaking up AGAINST complaining, just pointing out that there's better ways to go about it.

[Il Divo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And that's part of the problem with companies as large as EA -- no one customer means anything to EA. 

And as far as I'm concerned, there is a bit of a coercive element in EA's strategy of attaching the Origin requirement to long-awaited sequels such as ME3.  "If you want to finish the story, if you want to see how things work out, then you HAVE to install Origin".  Being the way I am, that just makes me more dead-set against Origin in any form.

And that's where I find myself sympathetic to the anti-Origin plight. It's Bioware's product, so obviously they can set the terms, but I feel like there would have been much less outcry if they had done this with an original IP, rather than the conclusion to an extremely popular sci-fi trilogy. People want to know how it ends, but they want the original terms offered to them by ME and ME2, not some alternate stipulation offered at the last second.

Modifié par Il Divo, 24 janvier 2012 - 02:43 .