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[LittleDiegito]

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

[slimgrin]

Slidell505 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  

Ohhh, I hope the irony of this statement doesn't escape you.

Lol. Perfect.

[sdffsdfsggdsfgdfgdsfgsdf]

[troll post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:04 .

[Dark_Matter79]

Icinix wrote...
We use our computers for storage of family photos, documents, medical history, tax returns, our CV's, maybe our own stories, game designs, art work whatever.

Don't connect a computer to the internet with sensitive data on it. It's that simple. There is no guarantee of safety for those files. It's why I keep my sensitive files on either a zip drive or a cheap non-internet-connected computer.

You take a risk in connecting to the internet, period. Minimize your risk. If you aren't comfortable with Origin, don't use it. Yes, that means not playing Mass Effect 3, but that is your call. It's also EA's call to potentially limit their potential sales with this method. It is far less of a hassle than the one I went through in installing Mass Effect, a little more than I went through in installing Mass Effect 2, but I'm willing to do what's necessary to play Mass Effect 3. After reading the agreements I see nothing in there that is suspect, and after reading the results of others in determining the (non-existant) risk Origin is said to present, I'm comfortable with it on my system.

What it comes down to is understanding the risk that you are taking, and deciding if you are willing to take it. Is it a game, or those sensitive files you have not protected in other ways? Is it a game, or basic information that you need to input in order to play it? Never enter into an agreement that you do not fully understand, and do your own due diligence in understanding what is being asked.

I for one will be using Origin, and playing Mass Effect 3. If you don't, then that is your decision and I say more power to you.

[anzolino]

casadechrisso wrote...

vallore wrote...

anzolino wrote...

vallore wrote...
Does Origin collects and sends any data, at all, from our PCs, or not?
If so, to whom? To EA alone, or other companies as well? If so, what companies, exactly, and why?

If I may...

Port monitoring results from Wireshark:

http Port 80/tcp
184.73.227.206|184.73.254.73, Amazon Cloud Server in Seattle, EULA version request
107.22.209.65, Amazon Cloud Server in Seattle, Keep alive
95.100.249.*, Akamai Technologies, Origin requests and updates
50.16.192.202, Amazon Cloud Server in Seattle, Keep alive

https Port 443/tcp
50.19.91.193|50.17.221.156, Amazon Cloud Server in Seattle, Login (E-Mail, Passwort)

nsesrvr Port 9988/tcp
159.153.235.32, registered to EA

"Port 9988/tcp is known to have vulnerabilities caused by trojans and remote code execution."

Thank you Anzolino, this data is very interesting.

It seems most of those places are not even from EA; if so, this brings the original question of why is EA sending our data there?)

And now also, what do these companies do with?

How can EA know and guarantee us it’s safe?

That no other use than the intended is done with that information?

I’m very interested to find out these answers, since it is my data, (among those of others, of course) , we are talking about…or simply in getting an opt-out of all of this.

This has already been proven to be bogus, the site reports EVERY port as vulnerable.

And here again for those who don't want to look deeper.
Yes, every single port is vulnerable, but you missed the point behind my quote:
Why do I have to open another vulnerable port if it's not necessary?
Do you ever think about that?


@ vallore
The places are some kind of EA related: EA is using the Amazon Cloud Service.
Akamai is a Content Delivery Provider, many companies are using their services, i.e. to deliver software to the people.

[Zkyire]

count_4 wrote...

theycallmeryan wrote...

I'd like to see a petition started to get Mass Effect 3 on Steam.

Try the link in my signature for starters. It's not an official petition but if enough people take part, maybe it helps.

+1 signed.

[Pupuppu]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Other tests were done and showed results that even if do not Opt In to Steams data collection it in fact sends more information than Origin and that also did not include the [extra] data gained from Opting In and doing surveys. Now given the the amount of data sent is more from Steam (friends services and other features were not to explain this as both had same amount of friends and services running at same time) and that it looked at more places than Origin. It comes down to hate for EA and lack of trust for some people compared to bias they have towards Steam. 

Still spreading your your FUD on Steam with no clue whatsoever? Get wireshark, check the packets, check the protocol specification. At the same time where Steam is talking to the instant messanger service to send it's keep alive packets, Origin contacs five servers, including third party marketing servers.

Anyhow, continue using Origin, if you think this is the future in Digital Software distribution, but be aware not everyone will see this as a secure investment of their software licenses.

Modifié par Pupuppu, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[Complistic]

welp preorder cancelled.

I might pick this up in a steam sale.




Oh wait...

[Ultai]

Watching this closely, still undecided of what I'll do, but I had to pick these out.

Chris Priestly wrote...

4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

I only here this coming from EA.  Seems the hundred of developers/publishers using steam don't have this issue at all.  Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Microsoft and Sony take out a cut on the dlc on xbox live and psn?  No problem with that I guess, but you have to play ball with them unlike this attempt  to get into the digital distribution marketplace with Origin. I'm not exactly faulting EA here, I mean they're a company that bows to the will of the almighty dollar like any other, in rather whorish ways.

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Chris, I know you're just following orders from corporate or higher ups, but you know it, I know it, and most everyone knows this is NOT the data collection the peole who are concerned with are talking about.  Knowing how many people play as a soldier or femshep or how many people banged a certain love interest is the not issue here, I hope you change this one, since corporate thinks they can play word games.

[Icinix]

Dark_Matter79 wrote...

Icinix wrote...
We use our computers for storage of family photos, documents, medical history, tax returns, our CV's, maybe our own stories, game designs, art work whatever.

Don't connect a computer to the internet with sensitive data on it. It's that simple. There is no guarantee of safety for those files. It's why I keep my sensitive files on either a zip drive or a cheap non-internet-connected computer.

You take a risk in connecting to the internet, period. Minimize your risk. If you aren't comfortable with Origin, don't use it. Yes, that means not playing Mass Effect 3, but that is your call. It's also EA's call to potentially limit their potential sales with this method. It is far less of a hassle than the one I went through in installing Mass Effect, a little more than I went through in installing Mass Effect 2, but I'm willing to do what's necessary to play Mass Effect 3. After reading the agreements I see nothing in there that is suspect, and after reading the results of others in determining the (non-existant) risk Origin is said to present, I'm comfortable with it on my system.

What it comes down to is understanding the risk that you are taking, and deciding if you are willing to take it. Is it a game, or those sensitive files you have not protected in other ways? Is it a game, or basic information that you need to input in order to play it? Never enter into an agreement that you do not fully understand, and do your own due diligence in understanding what is being asked.

I for one will be using Origin, and playing Mass Effect 3. If you don't, then that is your decision and I say more power to you.

There is a difference between something illegal hacking its way onto your computer through the internet.

..and something 'legal' installing itself as a compulsory software package for AAA released game, a software package that IS NOT required by the code of the game to run and a software package that offers nothing to me that I want but I am being forced to have.

Arguments saying "Well don't buy it." are missing the point by a few galaxies.

[ArkkAngel007]

Pupuppu wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Other tests were done and showed results that even if do not Opt In to Steams data collection it in fact sends more information than Origin and that also did not include the [extra] data gained from Opting In and doing surveys. Now given the the amount of data sent is more from Steam (friends services and other features were not to explain this as both had same amount of friends and services running at same time) and that it looked at more places than Origin. It comes down to hate for EA and lack of trust for some people compared to bias they have towards Steam. 

Still spreading your your FUD on Steam with no clue whatsoever? Get wireshark, check the packets, check the protocol specification. At the same time where Steam is talking to the instant messanger service to send it's keep alive packets, Origin contacs five servers, including third party marketing servers.

Anyhow, continue using Origin, if you think this is the future in Digital Software distribution, but be aware not everyone will see this as a secure investment of their software licenses.

Are you just assuming those are marketing servers just because they are owned by Amazon?

[Dragoonlordz]

vallore wrote...

I will repost my questions here then:


Very important: What data, exactly, is collected from our PCs?

(example of what I’m aiming here: if we knew it collected only information about what EA games we have installed and nothing else, that would we reassuring, but if it was something vague as “data that allows us, at EA, to improve our relation with our customers,” it would not, as it is too vague for us to know what you are aiming for).


Also, why, exactly, is it collected?

(if we are supposed to give you our data, it would be nice to know what, exactly,  is it for).

Most importantly; in regard to Origin, why can’t we have an opt-out from data collecting? Can we hope this will change?
(Not everyone has the same desire of privacy. It is both an individual and cultural issue; it would be great if EA would acknowledge this by allowing those of us who desire greater privacy to keep it).

Finally; assuming the EULA does not reflect what exactly is being collected, (it seems to give EA the right to collect anything),is it going to be changed to be accurate? When?



Thanks for reading, and if you can get any answer to this, it would be much appreciated,
 Vallore

(edited for clarity)

1. Data sent based on what looks at has been tested by me and others in last thread. It only scans its own game folder and your registry.

2. I can't answer but marketing is most obvious to me of which you answered yourself in your first question detail. However this isn't factual and more my own assumption based on most likely.

3. You can opt out of data collection on your EA account I believe on their website and you can opt out of data collection within ME3, whether not this also opts you out of data collection from those 2 sources I just mentioned in question one within Origin I do not know.

4. All EULAs are based on broad paint strokes and copy and pastes same with any other EULA in order to try to cover every possiblity they can. It says in it that only collects data from where client is shown to actually collect data in the current EULA I believe it was in the "we care about your privacy" part or something where states the client only looks at game folder and registry which fell under no identifiable information (however this also includes IP address but if upset over that then you may aswell stop using the internet given your ISP, search engine and BSN knows your IP or records it for legal purposes).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[DTKT]

Did they answer one question?

Can I install Origin, activate ME3 and uninstall Origin?

Thank you.

[Mister Mida]

Ultai wrote...

I only here this coming from EA.  Seems the hundred of developers/publishers using steam don't have this issue at all.  Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Microsoft and Sony take out a cut on the dlc on xbox live and psn?  No problem with that I guess, but you have to play ball with them unlike this attempt  to get into the digital distribution marketplace with Origin. I'm not exactly faulting EA here, I mean they're a company that bows to the will of the almighty dollar like any other, in rather whorish ways.

The hundreds of other dev/pubs don't want to set up their own contribution to the consolization of the PC digital distribution platform.

[Galad22]

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

This is obviously pull btw. You are after all only developer/publisher who is whining about steam policies.

It would be appreciated if you wouldn't lie to your customers and especially stop feeding them your pre-approved corporate lines.

Believe it or not people aren't that stupid.

[Wardka]

DTKT wrote...

Did they answer one question?

Can I install Origin, activate ME3 and uninstall Origin?

Thank you.

No, they haven't answered any questions yet.

[Pupuppu]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Other tests were done and showed results that even if do not Opt In to Steams data collection it in fact sends more information than Origin and that also did not include the [extra] data gained from Opting In and doing surveys. Now given the the amount of data sent is more from Steam (friends services and other features were not to explain this as both had same amount of friends and services running at same time) and that it looked at more places than Origin. It comes down to hate for EA and lack of trust for some people compared to bias they have towards Steam. 

Still spreading your your FUD on Steam with no clue whatsoever? Get wireshark, check the packets, check the protocol specification. At the same time where Steam is talking to the instant messanger service to send it's keep alive packets, Origin contacs five servers, including third party marketing servers.

Anyhow, continue using Origin, if you think this is the future in Digital Software distribution, but be aware not everyone will see this as a secure investment of their software licenses.

Are you just assuming those are marketing servers just because they are owned by Amazon?

No, Orgin also contacts Omniture, and Digitalriver as their payment processor as another third party site.

Modifié par Pupuppu, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:11 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

DTKT wrote...

Did they answer one question?

Can I install Origin, activate ME3 and uninstall Origin?

Thank you.

Not answered yet, no. And unfortunately very unlikely as EA's trying to push it's client software.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

To all those ****ing about Origin,

Get an xbox, get ME1 & ME2 for xbox, Pre-Order ME3 for xbox, that way you WON'T have to deal with this Origin bull****

[Ultai]

Ryzaki wrote...

Will not change?

Well there goes my hope.

I'm not installing more bloatware BW. I'm not. I hope you're happy that I'm stuck buying it on Xbox now. Grrr.

Unless I can install Origin, authorize ME3 and then uninstall it and keep playing ME3 (single player of course).

Oh, they are happy, they get your money regardless it seems.  If you wanted to show them, you'd have to get enough willpower to resist buying this piece of entertainment and stand your ground. EA won't listen until it hits them in their bottom line, or they get enough bad press.

[slimgrin]

Ultai wrote...

Chris, I know you're just following orders from corporate or higher ups, but you know it, I know it, and most everyone knows this is NOT the data collection the peole who are concerned with are talking about.  Knowing how many people play as a soldier or femshep or how many people banged a certain love interest is the not issue here, I hope you change this one, since corporate thinks they can play word games.

So this is the type of data collection yet to be confirmed or denied. Geez, if they wanted my porn collection all they had to do is ask.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:12 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll put in a clear way, no change will happen. It is easy for EA to change wording in their EULA but they will not stop pushing their ideal for future being based on their own DD service. They own Bioware and they own ME3 by proxy. They are breaking no laws with their current DD service which is the same service as Steam and their EULA has now been reworded to comply with the laws in Germany where was a conflict. They have stated that this "WILL" not change and ME3 "WILL" come with Origin. There is by no means anywhere near enough people up set over this to impact EA directly. There is no outrage articles by mainstream media over ME3 being bundled with EA's version of Steam aka Origin and the loss in some sales from a small section of possible ME3 buyers is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the millions ME3 will sell and the truly insane amount of income EA makes from other sources.

http://www.joystiq.c...equires-origin/
http://www.shacknews...ilable-on-steam
http://kotaku.com/58...launch-on-steam
http://www.destructo...-3-219711.phtml
http://www.1up.com/n...requires-origin

I'm sorry, what?  And those are just the ones I could find in my RSS feed.  And you know what the primary response has been?  Surprise, surprise!  Negative!

Limiting your customers'  choices is *not* how you go about garnering customer good will.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Pupuppu wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Other tests were done and showed results that even if do not Opt In to Steams data collection it in fact sends more information than Origin and that also did not include the [extra] data gained from Opting In and doing surveys. Now given the the amount of data sent is more from Steam (friends services and other features were not to explain this as both had same amount of friends and services running at same time) and that it looked at more places than Origin. It comes down to hate for EA and lack of trust for some people compared to bias they have towards Steam. 

Still spreading your your FUD on Steam with no clue whatsoever? Get wireshark, check the packets, check the protocol specification. At the same time where Steam is talking to the instant messanger service to send it's keep alive packets, Origin contacs five servers, including third party marketing servers.

Anyhow, continue using Origin, if you think this is the future in Digital Software distribution, but be aware not everyone will see this as a secure investment of their software licenses.

Are you just assuming those are marketing servers just because they are owned by Amazon?

No, Orgin also contacts Omniture, and Digitalriver as their payment processor as another third party site.

I'm quite familiar on how Omniture operates and what companies usually send over, but I'm not familiar with Digitalriver, not have any of my collegues brought it up to me.

[Complistic]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

To all those ****ing about Origin,

Get an xbox, get ME1 & ME2 for xbox, Pre-Order ME3 for xbox, that way you WON'T have to deal with this Origin bull****

but then i'd have to play with a controller. Gross.