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[Jonathan Robinson]

I'm starting to see where you all are coming from. Its the same consumer getting taken advantage of story that is starting to seem more and more frequent. So long as the government does absolutely nothing about it they will keep clawing away at every ones privacy. Damn politicians!

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

[Jonathan Robinson]

cool

[wolfsite]

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

[wolfsite]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Any and All companies are allowd to change there EULA, I'm not ignoring, that is standard to any company who whishes to change terms of services.

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

[Lumikki]

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

Yes, this one?

The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:11 .

[Kekkis]

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

And they share it with whoever they want sensibly and carefully (and make money).

[wolfsite]

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

Yes, this one?

The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

Yep that one.  I do believe someone earlier in the thread (DMex or another) has discussed this section.  I am not one to believe EA would just take whatever the hell they want and just sell it to whomever since it states they won't and since that would be the corporate version of taking a fully loaded gun to your head and firing six times.

[Jonathan Robinson]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Thats how they screw us, we can never win.<_<

Modifié par Jonathan Robinson, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:14 .

[Lumikki]

wolfsite wrote...

Yep that one.  I do believe someone earlier in the thread (DMex or another) has discussed this section.  I am not one to believe EA would just take whatever the hell they want and just sell it to whomever since it states they won't and since that would be the corporate version of taking a fully loaded gun to your head and firing six times.

Yep, it's question of TRUST.

How ever, they have writen in EULA that they can do that. Maybe not now, maybe later, maybe never, but they CAN anytime they want.

[wolfsite]

Kekkis wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

And they share it with whoever they want sensibly and carefully (and make money).

Can you please provide proof that EA goes around sharing information to make moeny?

As stated it is information that can not identify the user anyway so I can not be harmed by that.  Plus it states that any information that can identify the conumer must be provided by the consumer and can not be used without the consent of that consumer.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.

Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Any and All companies are allowd to change there EULA, I'm not ignoring, that is standard to any company who whishes to change terms of services.

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

So you don't lock your doors? 

What if someone tries to come in while you're gone? 

Maybe someone will try to come in while you're asleep. 

[wolfsite]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.

Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Any and All companies are allowd to change there EULA, I'm not ignoring, that is standard to any company who whishes to change terms of services.

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

So you don't lock your doors? 

What if someone tries to come in while you're gone? 

Maybe someone will try to come in while you're asleep. 

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

And they share it with whoever they want sensibly and carefully (and make money).

Can you please provide proof that EA goes around sharing information to make moeny?

As stated it is information that can not identify the user anyway so I can not be harmed by that.  Plus it states that any information that can identify the conumer must be provided by the consumer and can not be used without the consent of that consumer.

It's still none of their business. 

It's mildly offensive that we have to even tell EA that we're playing "their" game in order to play it.  

Would you accept having to tell Random House that you have one of "their" books, or tell Electra that you have one of "their" records, in other to use them?

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:17 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

So you don't lock your doors? 

What if someone tries to come in while you're gone? 

Maybe someone will try to come in while you're asleep. 

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

You said you wouldn't let "what if" and "maybe" rule your life. 

But you do.  Every day.

[Jonathan Robinson]

Yep that one.  I do believe someone earlier in the thread (DMex or another) has discussed this section.  I am not one to believe EA would just take whatever the hell they want and just sell it to whomever since it states they won't and since that would be the corporate version of taking a fully loaded gun to your head and firing six times.

[/quote] lol That about covers it.

Modifié par Jonathan Robinson, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:19 .

[Lumikki]

wolfsite wrote...

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's rights before in past. You remember the German situation?
You remember those scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?

Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:22 .

[wolfsite]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Kekkis wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data.  To help them improve future products.  This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

And they share it with whoever they want sensibly and carefully (and make money).

Can you please provide proof that EA goes around sharing information to make moeny?

As stated it is information that can not identify the user anyway so I can not be harmed by that.  Plus it states that any information that can identify the conumer must be provided by the consumer and can not be used without the consent of that consumer.

It's still none of their business. 

It's mildly offensive that we have to even tell EA that we're playing "their" game in order to play it.  

Would you accept having to tell Random House that I have one of "their" books, or tell Electra that I have one of "their" records, in other to use them?

I'm seeing there is no point in debating with you, you have no care of the opinion of the other person, you only care about winning the argurement regardless.  Everyone else has been very civil and even provide proper evidence to support there side.

You however just use fear tactics and dismissal of anything you do not agree with.  If you do not want to use the product that is your choice and if enough people make a willing decision to make that choice then that will send the message.   Trying to force your opinion on others with hypethetical situations and insinuations is not how to get a point across.

[wolfsite]

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's right before in past. You remember the German situation?
You remember those old scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?

Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

EA have stated in the past that was a mistake, and they have apologised as well as made many changes to the EULA to remedy this.  If they were interested in data mining they would never have done this.

Again two sides to every coin, two ways to interpret something.

[Lumikki]

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's right before in past. You remember the German situation?
You remember those scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?

Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

EA have stated in the past that was a mistake, and they have apologised as well as made many changes to the EULA to remedy this.  If they were interested in data mining they would never have done this.

Again two sides to every coin, two ways to interpret something.

That is true, but they EULA still ALLOWS to do what they did before, so can you trust EA until that is changed?
They fixed the client behavior and correct some LAW related stuff to fit German EULA, but our EULA is still there...

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[Tup3x]

Lumikki wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...





Lumikki, whining in this thread about Origin privacy will not do anything. You should direct your feedback elsewhere.

This is thread about Origin in ME3. So, this is correct place for feedback.

No. This is not Origin feedback thread. It is about Mass Effect 3 needing Origin client and some info related to that. I can assure you that Origin devs do not respond to your posts here or even get you feedback.

[Hardin4188]

If any company would sell data to other companies it would be EA. If you trust them not to do this then you just don't know what kind of company EA is. You need to do some googling about EA's past.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

I'm seeing there is no point in debating with you, you have no care of the opinion of the other person, you only care about winning the argurement regardless.  Everyone else has been very civil and even provide proper evidence to support there side.

You however just use fear tactics and dismissal of anything you do not agree with.  If you do not want to use the product that is your choice and if enough people make a willing decision to make that choice then that will send the message.   Trying to force your opinion on others with hypethetical situations and insinuations is not how to get a point across.

This isn't about winning an argument, or force an opinion, it's about not letting the truth be obscured. 

But you go right on eating up the PR bacon from EA... 

Edit: Big nest of quotes removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[Dragoonlordz]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Edit: Also Wiki is not a good place to look for reference material since it can be edited by just about anyone.

Yeh, ermm they are not going to listen to you. There are some in this thread who doesn't matter what you say or anyone (not Chris, not Stanley, not Dmex who has been confirmed is an outside contractor working for EA on Origin) says about anything. For them 'a reply' of any kind just means they get yet another chance to scream, shout, make threats and stamp their feet that they are "Not buying ME3" without it coming across as spam (EA were extremely clear about this ME3 WILL come with Origin for the PC version). Some do this more politely (Furtled springs to mind as example of the very polite type) but it very much is coming across as the same thing in principle as trying to blackmail, hold hostage or make threats/boycotts against Bioware for how EA decides to distribute EA/Bioware's products.

The one's who (imho) which said they won't be buying ME3 and left it at that are more respect worthy than those who claim the same yet say it a thousand times like some how magically they were not heard first time said it. Chris is only able to answer questions once in while between getting answers, Stanley is only trying to moderate the thread and Dmex is trying to answer peoples questions. Some of the people stamping their feet making demands just don't care and are just looking for the next target they can attack which is especially when any of those three I just mentioned answer something because it is simply not the answers they want to hear. Those people might as well be sticking their fingers in ears going "Trololo, oh look someone else posted something so now I can once again say I'm not buying ME3". Instead they will just use any reply or answer as another opportunity to say once again the same thing have been saying for over a hundred pages (or more if include last thread) which is "Still not buying ME3".

In essence they are also holding the thread to ransom and burying any actual questions that can be answered. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's right before in past. You remember the German situation?
You remember those old scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?

Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

EA have stated in the past that was a mistake, and they have apologised as well as made many changes to the EULA to remedy this.  If they were interested in data mining they would never have done this.

Again two sides to every coin, two ways to interpret something.

A "mistake"... sorry, not buying it.  Especially given the fact that it can be changed back at any time.

If EA weren't interested in data-mining and violating user privacy, then those clauses would never have been in the EULA and Origin would never have probed the bowels of the computers it was installed on. 

The intent has been made clear.  The "mistake" excuses are just a smokescreen.  (See also, Facebook's behavior regarding user data and privacy.)