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[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yeh, ermm they are not going to listen to you. 

If you define "listening" as "suddenly agreeing with you about Origin being harmless", then sure, why not.  Whatever.

Reading what someone posts and understanding what they're saying, and actually agreeing with it, are two entirely different things.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:35 .

[Lumikki]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yeh, ermm they are not going to listen to you. There are some in this thread who doesn't matter what you say or anyone (not Chris, not Stanley, not Dmex who has been confirmed is an outside contractor working for EA on Origin) says about anything. For them 'a reply' of any kind just means they get yet another chance to scream, shout, make threats and stamp their feet that they are "Not buying ME3" without it coming across as spam (EA were extremely clear about this ME3 WILL come with Origin for the PC version). Some do this more politely (Furtled springs to mind as example of the very polite type) but it very much is coming across as the same thing in principle as trying to blackmail, hold hostage or make threats/boycotts against Bioware for how EA decides to distribute EA/Bioware's products.

The one's who (imho) which said they won't be buying ME3 and left it at that are more respect worthy than those who claim the same yet say it a thousand times like some how magically they were not heard first time said it. Chris is only able to answer questions once in while between getting answers, Stanley is only trying to moderate the thread and Dmex is trying to answer peoples questions. Some of the people stamping their feet making demands just don't care and are just looking for the next target they can attack which is especially when any of those three I just mentioned answer something because it is simply not the answers they want to hear. Those people might as well be sticking their fingers in ears going "Trololo, oh look someone else posted something so now I can once again say I'm not buying ME3". Instead they will just use any reply or answer as another opportunity to say once again the same thing have been saying for over a hundred pages (or more if include last thread) which is "Still not buying ME3".

You made best argument behave you what I have seen before. You want time to get answers, I will give you time. I can take week break and come then back. Is that acceptable?

How ever, my position will NEVER change until EA change theirs.

[Dragoonlordz]

Lumikki wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yeh, ermm they are not going to listen to you. There are some in this thread who doesn't matter what you say or anyone (not Chris, not Stanley, not Dmex who has been confirmed is an outside contractor working for EA on Origin) says about anything. For them 'a reply' of any kind just means they get yet another chance to scream, shout, make threats and stamp their feet that they are "Not buying ME3" without it coming across as spam (EA were extremely clear about this ME3 WILL come with Origin for the PC version). Some do this more politely (Furtled springs to mind as example of the very polite type) but it very much is coming across as the same thing in principle as trying to blackmail, hold hostage or make threats/boycotts against Bioware for how EA decides to distribute EA/Bioware's products.

The one's who (imho) which said they won't be buying ME3 and left it at that are more respect worthy than those who claim the same yet say it a thousand times like some how magically they were not heard first time said it. Chris is only able to answer questions once in while between getting answers, Stanley is only trying to moderate the thread and Dmex is trying to answer peoples questions. Some of the people stamping their feet making demands just don't care and are just looking for the next target they can attack which is especially when any of those three I just mentioned answer something because it is simply not the answers they want to hear. Those people might as well be sticking their fingers in ears going "Trololo, oh look someone else posted something so now I can once again say I'm not buying ME3". Instead they will just use any reply or answer as another opportunity to say once again the same thing have been saying for over a hundred pages (or more if include last thread) which is "Still not buying ME3".

You made best argument behave you what I have seen before. You want time to get answers, I will give you time. I can take week break and come then back. Is that acceptable?

How ever, my position will NEVER change until EA change theirs.

It's respectful to those who have posed actual questions that (can be answered) and not just buried behind vast quantities of statements which involve saying the same thing as said for hundreds of pages about 'not buying' the game from same people over and over.

I still have questions that are buried hundreds of pages back which can be answered about DLC through Origin involving regional restrictions, and one involving log in processes between Origin and ME3 and also relating to DLC. All these questions are only over hundred pages back simply because people keep saying the same thing over and over that they still will not be buying ME3. Now if it was new people coming in and making their intentions known that I can respect, but not when it's a hundred pages worth of saying it from the same half dozen to dozen people... It makes any question asked take vastly longer to answer and (risks) it being missed completely.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:46 .

[Iamnotahater]

Origin's EULA states that if there is a conflict with EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall prevail. EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties

[dmex]

 

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...
This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.
You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's right before in past. You remember the German situation?You remember those old scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?
Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

EA have stated in the past that was a mistake, and they have apologised as well as made many changes to the EULA to remedy this.  If they were interested in data mining they would never have done this.
Again two sides to every coin, two ways to interpret something.

A "mistake"... sorry, not buying it.  Especially given the fact that it can be changed back at any time. 
If EA weren't interested in data-mining and violating user privacy, then those clauses would never have been in the EULA and Origin would never have probed the bowels of the computers it was installed on.  
The intent has been made clear.  The "mistake" excuses are just a smokescreen.  (See also, Facebook's behavior regarding user data and privacy.) 

I like how despite explaining in detail what caused this apparent 'probing' or 'data-mining' of Windows, you still believe it was intentional.

Why bother changing the EULA and Origin to show it's doing nothing of the sort, only to change it back again at a later date and go through all the criticism, backlash and law suits all over again? 

Iamnotahater wrote...EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties

You can also opt-out of sharing your information via the 'Contact Options' on your EA profile 

https://profile.ea.com/myprofile.do

Modifié par dmex, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:58 .

[AloraKast]

Jonathan, for me, it's all about choice - or in this case that choice seemingly being taken away from me.

The concept that I MUST install the Origin software in order to play the SINGLEPLAYER campaign of the RETAIL purchased product...

OK, I can live with the authentication processes and whatnot in order to prove to EA that I legally purchased their product and now wish to enjoy it - after all, I can see their side of this; they developed a product, spent considerable resources in developing it and now wish to regain those expenses and make a profit so that they may continue to develop more games. No problem there...

What I'm miffed about is the fact that the Origin clients HAS to be installed and REMAIN installed in order for me to play my legally purchased product (let me repeat: the SINGLEPLAYER campaign of the RETAIL purchase product) and all this AFTER my proving that I, in fact, did purchase the product.

What's wrong with CD keys or the authentication through the BSN, as has been the case with Dragon Age and ME in the past?  Why all of a sudden is that not enough of a DRM practice?

All of the debate and issues with Origin (is it spyware or isn't it spyware? what about account bans and how will that affect our ability to play the game we paid for? what about the modding aspect - I would really be interested in an answer to that question, btw) are secondary to the the issue of CHOICE.

It was MY choice to install Steam and I have never looked back, never had a problem with it and am quite happy with the service - not to mention the awesome sales.

It is NOT my choice to install Origin but rather the service is being forced upon me and that is AFTER I pay good money to experience a product I have been looking forward to for quite some time. The bad press in conjunction with EA's handling of fans' concerns (or rather NOT addressing them) is almost like me paying good money for a product and getting kicked in the teeth in the process. Thank you! Come again! *SMACK*

That is what it all boils down for me.

And before you say it, yes, I am fully aware that the choice remains mine; to purchase the product or not to purchase it. That is a personal choice that each and every one of us is going to have to make but, I for one, am not looking forward to having to make that difficult choice and am rather grumpy about being put in this position of having to make that difficult choice.  What happened to the "good ol' days" of making that simple choice of "you want to experience a game or are you not interested in a game at all"? What I'm resenting are all these strings that are attached to the product... It just doesn't seem right to me, that's not how a customer should be treated.

Oh, and in case you missed it, might I suggest some reading material?  I found this a wonderful yet seemingly obvious read... What I don't understand is why this isn't so obvious to EA:

http://www.escapistm...rigin-You-Stink

I have no problem with EA promoting their new product (the Origin client). It's only natural to wish to reach out to as wide an audience as possible and let them know that there is a new DD platform out there, why don't you check it out.  But like I said, what I object to is the stipulation that I MUST use this product, even after paying good money for a game.

EA, promote your product, market it, provide incentives, etc... but ultimately give the consumers the choice to check out Origin on its own, without any strings attached, withough forcing Origin upon the consumer.  Whether technically that is not what you are doing, that is certainly how this whole Origin handling with ME3 comes across. And generally people don't respond well to being forced into anything... but give them the choice, make smart business/marketing decisions and your new product (i.e. Origin) will grow and who knows, in a little while may very well pose a credible competitor to Steam.

[vallore]

wolfsite wrote...




Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Edit: Also Wiki is not a good place to look for reference material since it can be edited by just about anyone.

wolfsite, things are not as clear as the initial declaration makes one believe, consider the following; from  same article 2 of the EULA. it states:

<quote:>

"In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.
As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience."
<end quote>

And from the Privacy Policy:

<quote:>
."    Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?

EA will never share your personally identifiable information with third parties without your consent.   We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties.  There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own.  Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly."

<end quote>

Now considering that EA considers IP as "non-personally identifiable," this means that whatever data they are collecting may actually become identifiable.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dmex wrote...
 

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

A "mistake"... sorry, not buying it.  Especially given the fact that it can be changed back at any time. 
If EA weren't interested in data-mining and violating user privacy, then those clauses would never have been in the EULA and Origin would never have probed the bowels of the computers it was installed on.  
The intent has been made clear.  The "mistake" excuses are just a smokescreen.  (See also, Facebook's behavior regarding user data and privacy.) 

I like how despite explaining in detail what caused this apparent 'probing' or 'data-mining' of Windows, you still believe it was intentional.

Why bother changing the EULA and Origin to show it's doing nothing of the sort, only to change it back again at a later date and go through all the criticism, backlash and law suits all over again? 

Iamnotahater wrote...EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties

You can also opt-out of sharing your information via the 'Contact Options' on your EA profile 

https://profile.ea.com/myprofile.do

And that option can be altered at any time. 

Once someone has your information, you have only their word they won't misuse it. 

EA's word isn't worth spit.

See also, the seven years of Facebook's shenanigans with user privacy and data.


EDIT:  to be clear, I do not believe any claims that the original behavior of Origin and the original wording of the EULA were mistakes.  EA was caught red-handed, and now they're lying about what happened.  End of story.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:15 .

[Siegdrifa]

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

This is just trying to force the view to favour your side of the arguement.  I have seen you use this tactic and exact same wording several times.

You should state you comment based  on EA since EA and a common mugger trying to break into your house are two completely different things motivated by completely different goals.

Maybe but EA have used they Origin EULA's right before in past. You remember the German situation?
You remember those old scanned files in other directories, before EA fixed it because expose?

Point been the accusation of TRUST is there in air.

EA have stated in the past that was a mistake, and they have apologised as well as made many changes to the EULA to remedy this.  If they were interested in data mining they would never have done this.

Again two sides to every coin, two ways to interpret something.

If they weren't intrested in data mining they would have put an option to turn off, and since it seems out of question, the data mining appear like "MUST occure on every EA pc gamers".

[chance52]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


It's respectful to those who have posed actual questions that (can be answered) and not just buried behind vast quantities of statements which involve saying the same thing as said for hundreds of pages about 'not buying' the game from same people over and over.

I still have questions that are buried hundreds of pages back which can be answered about DLC through Origin involving regional restrictions, and one involving log in processes between Origin and ME3 and also relating to DLC. All these questions are only over hundred pages back simply because people keep saying the same thing over and over that they still will not be buying ME3. Now if it was new people coming in and making their intentions known that I can respect, but not when it's a hundred pages worth of saying it from the same half dozen to dozen people... It makes any question asked take vastly longer to answer and (risks) it being missed completely.

I've have a solution for that. Compile a list of questions from this thread and the last locked one, something like page 1-20 or something similar and pm them to me.  I have a post on page 1 pretty close to the top and I will edit that to just the questions asked.  If a few people chip in all questions will be easily seen and accessible  to Chris without fear of missing one in the middle of page 37, for example.

[MarauderESP]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Jonathan Robinson wrote...

All of you have lost me, what has EA and Origin done? I would like to understand because I purchased a Mass Effect 3 copy from Origin so I could get the pre-order bonus. I can't find where this link began so I don't know what started this conversation.

Origin has shown spyware-like behavior in the past, and EA has left themselves a clause in the EULA to have Origin go back to that behavior any time they want.

The EULA states that EA can share your information with third parties, or did, and they left themselves a clause in the EULA to go back to that any time they want. 

Even those of us who buy a physical copy of the game and want nothing to do with their social networking, cloud nonsense, save management, etc, are being forced to make the choice between installing the bloated useless malware that is Origin, or not playing ME3 at all.

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Edit: Also Wiki is not a good place to look for reference material since it can be edited by just about anyone.

uknow they change that eula 4 times in a month rigth? i went from "we`re going to datamine an SELL ur info to third parties , to we will datamine u and share to third parties, to we are not going to do that becouse were nice and care about ur info... bla bla", really u know they did this on a month or less ?
u think u can trust a company that dont even know what the hell they are doing, to give any info ?

[Stanley Woo]

Hey folks, the argument in this thread is getting rather heated. Let's all take a few deep breaths and remember to be excellent to each other, even if (especially if) we disagree on things. Thank you.

[Killjoy Cutter]

MarauderESP wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Edit: Also Wiki is not a good place to look for reference material since it can be edited by just about anyone.

uknow they change that eula 4 times in a month rigth? i went from "we`re going to datamine an SELL ur info to third parties , to we will datamine u and share to third parties, to we are not going to do that becouse were nice and care about ur info... bla bla", really u know they did this on a month or less ?
u think u can trust a company that dont even know what the hell they are doing, to give any info ?

How can you put any stock in an agreement that one party can alter at will, while the other party is left with "take it" or "leave it"?

[Wittand25]

vallore wrote...

wolfsite wrote...




Killjoy please stop making things up to favour your side of the arguement.


Excerpt from EULA:
-------------------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

-------------------------------------

This section pretty much contradicts over half of your statement.  If you are going to post stuff pleae provide evidence to support what you say or else it just comes off completely wrong and damaging to your side of this debate.

Edit: Also Wiki is not a good place to look for reference material since it can be edited by just about anyone.

wolfsite, things are not as clear as the initial declaration makes one believe, consider the following; from  same article 2 of the EULA. it states:

<quote:>

"In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.
As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience."
<end quote>

And from the Privacy Policy:

<quote:>
."    Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?

EA will never share your personally identifiable information with third parties without your consent.   We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties.  There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own.  Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly."

<end quote>

Now considering that EA considers IP as "non-personally identifiable," this means that whatever data they are collecting may actually become identifiable.

Since IP adresses are neither public nor can be aggregated (they are nominal (each is unique) and only metric or categorial data can be aggregated) they will not be shared.
Aggregated data is something along the lines of 70% of Shepards are male; Miranda is the favorite romance; 60% played a soldier, x% of players used platform y; ... .

Modifié par Wittand25, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:02 .

[MarauderESP]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

snip*

uknow they change that eula 4 times in a month rigth? i went from "we`re going to datamine an SELL ur info to third parties , to we will datamine u and share to third parties, to we are not going to do that becouse were nice and care about ur info... bla bla", really u know they did this on a month or less ?
u think u can trust a company that dont even know what the hell they are doing, to give any info ?

How can you put any stock in an agreement that one party can alter at will, while the other party is left with "take it" or "leave it"?

well that too...
when u have lost the trust in someone (person or a company) is too difficult to get it back....

[MingWolf]

Furtled wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

I respectfully disagree, EA are forcing some gamers to chose between playing a game they've been anticipating for ages and their privacy/system control/principles - it's like saying 'cake or death; but oh, it's possible the cake's gone off a bit so you might end up with food poisoning'

Agreed that EA isn't holding a gun to any ones head demanding they buy ME3, but the principle's not far off given how much some people want to play the game v how little they want Origin on their PC. You know gamers, EA know gamers, they know what they're doing and they know that they have many of them over a barrel on this.

And now I want cake dammit

Agree with Furtled here.  This is an anticipated game.  The issue here is that it is being sold with strings attached.  And these strings are not universally agreed upon by the loyal (or otherwise) customers who are feeding EA/Bioware money.  One isn't forced to buy the product, but taking advantage of a high profile product as ME3 and attaching something so controversial isn't exactly the best way to business.  In the end, it is counter-productive in the realms of delivering any tangible benefit to the customer.

[MarauderESP]

dmex wrote...

 

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
sinp*

I like how despite explaining in detail what caused this apparent 'probing' or 'data-mining' of Windows, you still believe it was intentional.

Why bother changing the EULA and Origin to show it's doing nothing of the sort, only to change it back again at a later date and go through all the criticism, backlash and law suits all over again? 

Iamnotahater wrote...EA's Privacy Policy gives EA rights to share anonymous non personal information with third parties

You can also opt-out of sharing your information via the 'Contact Options' on your EA profile 

https://profile.ea.com/myprofile.do

1º ur telling me u launch a product without testing its behaviour (that is the same of a spyware)? wow that create a new level of trusr to ur costumers (well at least those who cares of that issues)

2º u mean the same that i had to output about 8 times before it get saved....  

[vallore]

Wittand25 wrote...

vallore wrote...


wolfsite, things are not as clear as the initial declaration makes one believe, consider the following; from  same article 2 of the EULA. it states:

<quote:>

"In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.
As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience."
<end quote>

And from the Privacy Policy:

<quote:>
."    Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?

EA will never share your personally identifiable information with third parties without your consent.   We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties.  There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own.  Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly."

<end quote>

Now considering that EA considers IP as "non-personally identifiable," this means that whatever data they are collecting may actually become identifiable.

Since IP adresses are neither public nor can be aggregated (they are nominal (each is unique) and only metric or categorial data can be aggregated) they will not be shared.
Aggregated data is something along the lines of 70% of Shepards are male; Miranda is the favorite romance; 60% played a soldier, x% of players used platform y; ... .

I’m not tech savvy, or an English native speaker, so correct me if I’m wrong but this brings two issues:

From the text:
“We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties”

What about the public information bit?

Plus, the comma after the “non-personable identifiable” suggests it should, or could, be read as:

non-personally identifiable (including) aggregated and/or public information

[MarauderESP]

MingWolf wrote...

Furtled wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

I respectfully disagree, EA are forcing some gamers to chose between playing a game they've been anticipating for ages and their privacy/system control/principles - it's like saying 'cake or death; but oh, it's possible the cake's gone off a bit so you might end up with food poisoning'

Agreed that EA isn't holding a gun to any ones head demanding they buy ME3, but the principle's not far off given how much some people want to play the game v how little they want Origin on their PC. You know gamers, EA know gamers, they know what they're doing and they know that they have many of them over a barrel on this.

And now I want cake dammit

Agree with Furtled here.  This is an anticipated game.  The issue here is that it is being sold with strings attached.  And these strings are not universally agreed upon by the loyal (or otherwise) customers who are feeding EA/Bioware money.  One isn't forced to buy the product, but taking advantage of a high profile product as ME3 and attaching something so controversial isn't exactly the best way to business.  In the end, it is counter-productive in the realms of delivering any tangible benefit to the customer.

they did this to with BF3, and sadly is the only one onf the series that i dont own... and that goes for NFSTR, and also this has created a tendency in me that will exclude any game that comes with €A logo on it (aka SWTOR and KoA:R) its a shame but that is how it works.... for ME3 i want to see how it ends so ill rent it or scond hand it for ps3, then il put €A in the same place i put Ubi some time ago....

[Furtled]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
But the ones who demand or think that they have more say on how it is distributed than they really do are beginning to get way ahead of themselves. EA are not going to change their mind on the pushing of their client to be included with the games they own by proxy of Bioware which they do own. If you "want nothing to do with it" then your out of luck. You will either need to be willing to make or find a compromise somewhere or just move on/skip it in the end.

Not really, while I respect the mods enough not to discuss the alternatives here every PC gamer out there is aware of them, not all of them will persue them, but by their nature the majority of PC gamers are technically savvy enough to solve this issue in a way that will hurt EA and (more importantly) the devs, financially. That's not something I (and I'm sure many others posting here) want to see happen.

Also, I can't speak for others, but despite that fact I have already cancelled my pre-orders I continue to post because I truly believe EA are damaging BioWare's relationship with their fanbase here, and because it never hurts to give the other side in a debate. I don't assign any malicious intent to EA's decision to go this route, or to the questionable clauses in their EULA, I don't personally think Origin is spyware and I understand the business decisions behind what they're doing - that doesn't mean I agree with their methods or that I won't try to clearly explain why so that people who are wondering what the hell all the fuss is about have a better idea.

And finally, you never know; if enough people make enough noise (as they did with World of Warcraft and Eve Online when they crossed a line and as German gamers have already done with EA), anything can happen - I'm optimistic that way

Modifié par Furtled, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[Wittand25]

vallore wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
Since IP adresses are neither public nor can be aggregated (they are nominal (each is unique) and only metric or categorial data can be aggregated) they will not be shared.
Aggregated data is something along the lines of 70% of Shepards are male; Miranda is the favorite romance; 60% played a soldier, x% of players used platform y; ... .

I’m not tech savvy, or an English native speaker, so correct me if I’m wrong but this brings two issues:
From the text:
“We may, however, share non-personally identifiable, aggregated and/or public information with third parties”
What about the public information bit?
Plus, the comma after the “non-personable identifiable” suggests it should, or could, be read as:
non-personally identifiable (including) aggregated and/or public information

As I understand it non-personally identifiable and aggregate belong together, while public is supposed to be separate.

I don´t see a problem with the sharing of aggregate data, since it is (next to) impossible to split it up into individual record sets and impossible to assign those sets to a real person.

And public information is already public with the consent of the user soI can see no problem here either.

[CoolHandLukeSkywalks]

I'm surprised EA hasn't reversed their decision on this yet. I was hoping they would so I could re-subscribe to SW:TOR before my game time lapses, but yeah this requiring Origin to play ME3 means I'm no longer interested in paying for EA games.

[YohkoOhno]

Origin is actually getting more popular

Origin Adds Games From 11 More Publishers

New Titles from Major and Independent Publishers Set to Join the Origin Lineup

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Electronic Arts (EA) Inc. (NASDAQ:EA) announced today that Origin™, EA’s direct-to-consumer gaming platform, will soon feature PC downloadable games from Trion Worlds, Robot Entertainment and nine other game publishers. Starting today, Trion’s MMORPG Rift™ is the first new title added to Origin for purchase and download by PC gamers, with many more titles coming soon.

Additional titles from publishers CD PROJEKT RED, Freebird Games, Recoil Games, Autumn Games, 1C Company, inXile entertainment, Paradox Interactive, Core Learning Ltd. and N3V Games will be available on Origin in the coming months.

“Origin is focused on providing choice to consumers and the games they play,” said Craig Rechenmacher, Vice President of Business Development and Marketing for Origin at EA. “From blockbuster franchises to high-quality independent titles, we’re bringing the industry’s best content to one place. We’re excited to welcome new partners and a diverse new line-up of titles to Origin today.”

More information about individual titles and release dates will be available on www.origin.com.

“The digital versions of Rift have seen incredible success, and Origin offers an ideal direct-to-consumer avenue for gamers interested in experiencing the rich world of Telara,” said Jim Butler, Trion’s Senior Director of Global Marketing. “Origin has established itself as a destination for top titles currently available in the evolving digital marketplace, so it’s definitely a place that Trion wants to be.”

Origin offers digital downloads of more than 100 PC titles from EA and other leading game publishers. In addition to providing fast and safe game downloads and social connectivity to your gaming friends, Origin features live streaming demos, free-to-play games and cloud saves to save games and gameplay achievements online and access them from multiple PC gaming systems.

For more information about Origin, please visit http://www.origin.com. For more information on EA and assets including images, please visit http://info.ea.com.

About Electronic Arts

Electronic Arts (NASDAQ:EA) is a global leader in digital interactive entertainment. The Company’s game franchises are offered as both packaged goods products and online services delivered through Internet-connected consoles, personal computers, mobile phones and tablets. EA has more than 100 million registered players and operates in 75 countries.

In fiscal 2011, EA posted GAAP net revenue of $3.6 billion. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, EA is recognized for critically acclaimed, high-quality blockbuster franchises such as The Sims™, Madden NFL, FIFA Soccer, Need for Speed™, Battlefield, and Mass Effect™. More information about EA is available at http://info.ea.com.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:34 .

[Computer_God91]

 This was a pretty good article, and it was semi-ME3 related.

[Killjoy Cutter]

“Origin is focused on providing choice to consumers and the games they play,” said Craig Rechenmacher, Vice President of Business Development and Marketing for Origin at EA.

I guess if you work in the corporate world long enough, you get used to impossible things coming out of your mouth.  (Emphasis added.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 24 janvier 2012 - 07:46 .