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[wolfsite]

YohkoOhno wrote...

Origin is actually getting more popular

Origin Adds Games From 11 More Publishers

New Titles from Major and Independent Publishers Set to Join the Origin Lineup

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Electronic Arts (EA) Inc. (NASDAQ:EA) announced today that Origin™, EA’s direct-to-consumer gaming platform, will soon feature PC downloadable games from Trion Worlds, Robot Entertainment and nine other game publishers. Starting today, Trion’s MMORPG Rift™ is the first new title added to Origin for purchase and download by PC gamers, with many more titles coming soon.

Additional titles from publishers CD PROJEKT RED, Freebird Games, Recoil Games, Autumn Games, 1C Company, inXile entertainment, Paradox Interactive, Core Learning Ltd. and N3V Games will be available on Origin in the coming months.

“Origin is focused on providing choice to consumers and the games they play,” said Craig Rechenmacher, Vice President of Business Development and Marketing for Origin at EA. “From blockbuster franchises to high-quality independent titles, we’re bringing the industry’s best content to one place. We’re excited to welcome new partners and a diverse new line-up of titles to Origin today.”

More information about individual titles and release dates will be available on www.origin.com.

“The digital versions of Rift have seen incredible success, and Origin offers an ideal direct-to-consumer avenue for gamers interested in experiencing the rich world of Telara,” said Jim Butler, Trion’s Senior Director of Global Marketing. “Origin has established itself as a destination for top titles currently available in the evolving digital marketplace, so it’s definitely a place that Trion wants to be.”

Origin offers digital downloads of more than 100 PC titles from EA and other leading game publishers. In addition to providing fast and safe game downloads and social connectivity to your gaming friends, Origin features live streaming demos, free-to-play games and cloud saves to save games and gameplay achievements online and access them from multiple PC gaming systems.

For more information about Origin, please visit http://www.origin.com. For more information on EA and assets including images, please visit http://info.ea.com.

About Electronic Arts

Electronic Arts (NASDAQ:EA) is a global leader in digital interactive entertainment. The Company’s game franchises are offered as both packaged goods products and online services delivered through Internet-connected consoles, personal computers, mobile phones and tablets. EA has more than 100 million registered players and operates in 75 countries.

In fiscal 2011, EA posted GAAP net revenue of $3.6 billion. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, EA is recognized for critically acclaimed, high-quality blockbuster franchises such as The Sims™, Madden NFL, FIFA Soccer, Need for Speed™, Battlefield, and Mass Effect™. More information about EA is available at http://info.ea.com.

That is good to hear.  More games means more competition which can help get better prices.

Also surprised to see CDProject Red on that list.  They normally promote DRM free methods.

[Furtled]

In fairness that's an EA penned press release, we send stuff like that out all the time; they're unlikely to mention any problems or issues in something like that. The real test is what's written by actual journalists and bloggers not currently working for EA's PR department. And I wish them nothing but luck as they continue to add devs to the project, as far as I'm concerned there's nothing inherently wrong with EA trying to challenge Steam's dominance, just a shame about their methods.

It's also good to have some names to include as contacts in correspondence to official bodies, and I will grant you that the choice quote is particularly ironic given the issue at hand.

Modifié par Furtled, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .

[StarcloudSWG]

With Dmex presenting details of what Origin actually does and the progress on closing the "hurrdurr let's grab information we have no right to" loopholes, my opposition to using Origin has dropped from "No way will I let this spyware stay on my system" to

"I'd really prefer that it not keep running needlessly, taking up system resources.
"Why does Origin really need to be running constantly?"
"Why can't ME 3 query its own SSO tokens?"
"What's so valuable and important about having Origin running that EA feels it should be constantly active while I'm playing ME 3?"
"What's the benefit TO ME?"

The EULA is less of a concern. Despite what's written in it, in most jurisdictions you can't give away certain rights in a unilateral contract.

[Dragoonlordz]

wolfsite wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

-snip-

That is good to hear.  More games means more competition which can help get better prices.

Also surprised to see CDProject Red on that list.  They normally promote DRM free methods.

There is no real reason why CDP-R would not include their titles, they are still a business and still want money to develop more games. They still offer a DRM free version but also free to put their title on Origin for those who do not mind.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:06 .

[Furtled]

Ottemis wrote...
If this was a normal discussion and I didn't have to repeat myself 20 times over before people actually comprehend what I'm saying (and I'm really not speaking Chinese here), then I might have been inclined to actually come up with useful contributions as to how to set up a campaign and make this a healthy exchange. As it stands I don't judge any of you (active right now) to take my suggestions seriously, and I quite value my own time.

I'd actually be very interested in any ideas on how to get something constructive going on the Origin issue, I can lay out draft letters and contact lists for the UK (and some parts of Ireland) but I've no idea for other countries.

And to some of my fellow MOOers (that still makes me giggle), I know this is a highly emotive issue, especially the concerns about privacy, I know it's frustrating and I really do understand what it's like to try and explain something important to you and feel that no one is listening. But to get taken seriously and to actually achieve something constructive here we all need to try and avoid bickering, me included!

Modifié par Furtled, 24 janvier 2012 - 08:31 .

[Tup3x]

wolfsite wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

Origin is actually getting more popular

Origin Adds Games From 11 More Publishers

New Titles from Major and Independent Publishers Set to Join the Origin Lineup

REDWOOD CITY, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Electronic Arts (EA) Inc. (NASDAQ:EA) announced today that Origin™, EA’s direct-to-consumer gaming platform, will soon feature PC downloadable games from Trion Worlds, Robot Entertainment and nine other game publishers. Starting today, Trion’s MMORPG Rift™ is the first new title added to Origin for purchase and download by PC gamers, with many more titles coming soon.

Additional titles from publishers CD PROJEKT RED, Freebird Games, Recoil Games, Autumn Games, 1C Company, inXile entertainment, Paradox Interactive, Core Learning Ltd. and N3V Games will be available on Origin in the coming months.

“Origin is focused on providing choice to consumers and the games they play,” said Craig Rechenmacher, Vice President of Business Development and Marketing for Origin at EA. “From blockbuster franchises to high-quality independent titles, we’re bringing the industry’s best content to one place. We’re excited to welcome new partners and a diverse new line-up of titles to Origin today.”

More information about individual titles and release dates will be available on www.origin.com.

“The digital versions of Rift have seen incredible success, and Origin offers an ideal direct-to-consumer avenue for gamers interested in experiencing the rich world of Telara,” said Jim Butler, Trion’s Senior Director of Global Marketing. “Origin has established itself as a destination for top titles currently available in the evolving digital marketplace, so it’s definitely a place that Trion wants to be.”

Origin offers digital downloads of more than 100 PC titles from EA and other leading game publishers. In addition to providing fast and safe game downloads and social connectivity to your gaming friends, Origin features live streaming demos, free-to-play games and cloud saves to save games and gameplay achievements online and access them from multiple PC gaming systems.

For more information about Origin, please visit http://www.origin.com. For more information on EA and assets including images, please visit http://info.ea.com.

About Electronic Arts

Electronic Arts (NASDAQ:EA) is a global leader in digital interactive entertainment. The Company’s game franchises are offered as both packaged goods products and online services delivered through Internet-connected consoles, personal computers, mobile phones and tablets. EA has more than 100 million registered players and operates in 75 countries.

In fiscal 2011, EA posted GAAP net revenue of $3.6 billion. Headquartered in Redwood City, California, EA is recognized for critically acclaimed, high-quality blockbuster franchises such as The Sims™, Madden NFL, FIFA Soccer, Need for Speed™, Battlefield, and Mass Effect™. More information about EA is available at http://info.ea.com.

That is good to hear.  More games means more competition which can help get better prices.

Also surprised to see CDProject Red on that list.  They normally promote DRM free methods.

They promote Steam heavily, why wouldn't they put their stuff on Origin?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Furtled wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
If this was a normal discussion and I didn't have to repeat myself 20 times over before people actually comprehend what I'm saying (and I'm really not speaking Chinese here), then I might have been inclined to actually come up with useful contributions as to how to set up a campaign and make this a healthy exchange. As it stands I don't judge any of you (active right now) to take my suggestions seriously, and I quite value my own time.

I'd actually be very interested in any ideas on how to get something constructive going on the Origin issue, I can lay out draft letters and contact lists for the UK (and some parts of Ireland) but I've no idea for other countries.

And to some of my fellow MOOers (that still makes me giggle), I know this is a highly emotive issue, especially the concerns about privacy, I know it's frustrating and I really do understand what it's like to try and explain something important to you and feel that no one is listening. But to get taken seriously and to actually achieve something constructive here we all need to try and avoid bickering, me included!

If you base your judgement of how angry this entire issue makes me on my posts here, then you're about 1/10th of the way to where I actually am.

Today, it's just things you can do without they're using to try to get you to sacrifice your privacy for.

Tomorrow, it's going to be things you can't do without, and what then? 

[Furtled]

@Killjoy Cutter
I appreciate that and I'm quite happy to discuss it further, would you be okay taking this over to the Moo discussion boards please?

[cdethier]

To summarize: 

Please allow me to run Mass Effect 3 without another program (Origins) constantly running in the background.

Three additional thoughts:

1. I know there are already 350+ pages of Origins griping; this post will quickly get swallowed in all of the above, which is why I attempted to post it in its own thread first. Oh well

2. I understand that there is not a chance in **** of anyone who would actually make these changes reading the following open letter, let alone changing the Origins client, even if thousands of forum users echoed the sentiment. But it can't hurt.

3. So far as I understand it, the post that begins this thread says that Origins will need to be constantly running. "Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games." Additionally, a "one-time authorization is required." I assume the authorization refers to internet authorization and that Origins will be required to be installed and will run with ME3, but that could be incorrect. I would hope so.
 

Dear Bioware,

Imagine a movie studio was known for making great movies.
Imagine they spent three years hyping the final segment of a beloved trilogy.
And now imagine that the media company they were owned by decided that the
movie was only going to be available—ever—on something like iMax called Origin.
Now, anybody could get to one of these theaters, though it would be less
convenient and you had to wear annoying glasses all the time; the picture was
the same, and the big media company told the studio that there was no harm,
this was just the price of getting their movie funded and preventing people
from making illegal copies of it.

Now, the movie came out, and it made lots of money because
it was a good movie, and the big media company made even more money because of
the exclusive deal they signed with Origin. And, of course, lots of people
bought the DVD when it came out, and even more people pirated it (the exclusive
deal did work to prevent piracy) and watched it at home. Most of these people
would not have bought or paid to see the movie anyway, but a few of them did so
because they did not like the glasses that Origin made them wear or the other
inconveniences that were associated with this brand of theaters. A few more were
worried about leaving their name, credit card info, and SSN with Origin
theaters, but Origin promised that it wouldn’t even look at that information if
you didn’t want it to, and, as far as anyone knew, it didn’t.

Basically, everyone was generally happy with this situation.
The studio made money, the big media company made money, the people who saw the
movie in theaters were pretty satisfied, and the pirates were happy because it
was a good movie. A couple of economists looked at the numbers and said that
the profits lost when a few people demanded their money back or refused to go
see the movie was more than covered by the exclusive deal with Origin.

I guess what I’m trying to tell you is that I get it: I
understand that EA wants to get into the digital download market, and that they
cannot do that unless they give consumers a reason to prefer Origins to Steam.
I get that the number one way to make that happen is to make games exclusive on
Origins, because it is the thing they control the most easily and because it is
the best way to win gamers over. I get that game studios need distribution
giants like EA, and that, moreover, they own you, so Mass Effect 3 is their
product and their biggest ace right now. I get that maybe you like the deal too
because it might mean that more people buy your game which means you get to
keep making your games; I get that even if you did want to change the whole situation,
you couldn’t. I get that you’re trying to maximize profits and quality, and appreciate
that you understand that maximizing the second increases the first and that increasing
the first gives you more latitude to improve the second.

What I want you to understand, though, is different. I want you
to understand that all of the above is the reason that I BUY games, the reason I
bought Mass Effect, and Dragon Age, and Mass Effect 2, and, well you get the picture.
I buy your games because I believe in you as a studio, and I understand the realities
of being a studio that makes blockbuster games, and because I know I will enjoy
them. Those are the same reasons that I will likely buy Mass Effect 3.

So don’t make it purchasable through Steam. That’s ok. Make it
so that you have to have an Origins account to buy, install, and run the game as
well as to acquire any DLCs. Make those DLCs exclusive to Origins even. As a loyal
consumer, I am ok with all that. I don’t like it. I don’t like ANY of it, but the
problems with exclusivity and DLCs in general are a different issue, but I will
happily accept it as part of what you determine to be the price of your game. All
I ask is this:


Please allow me to run Mass Effect 3 without another program running in the background.


Don’t force a “client” on me, or a constantly active “launcher”:
neither of these prevent piracy; neither of them will make it so that someone who
is smarter than I am cannot bypass your protections and make the game more enjoyable
because it is less inconvenient. As has been rehashed ad infinitum, the only effect
that such launchers have is to hurt those people who have bought the game legitimately.
And, as I hope you understand, this type of DRM—the constantly running/constantly
connected variety—hurts us a lot more than any other method.

Thank you. 

[Edit: clarity]

Modifié par cdethier, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:13 .

[wolfsite]

cdethier wrote...

To summarize: 

Please allow me to run Mass Effect 3 without another program (Origins) constantly running in the background.

Three additional thoughts:

SNIP

Thank you. 

Can't see this happening, many other Clients, Steam included, tend to require the client to run regardless of single or multi player mode.  There are a few exceptions but they are rather rare (I have heard Bastion can run without the client program in certain cases but I have yet to confirm it).

There is an option to play offline so ther is no need to stay constantly connected.

[Dragoonlordz]

cdethier wrote...

To summarize: 

Please allow me to run Mass Effect 3 without another program (Origins) constantly running in the background.

Three additional thoughts:

-also snip except following bit-


Imagine a movie studio was known for making great movies. Imagine they spent three years hyping the final segment of a beloved trilogy. And now imagine that the media company they were owned by decided that the
movie was only going to be available—ever—on a cheap iMax ripoff called Origin. 

Your analogy doesn't work, for one simple reason the game is as good and high quality regardless of Origin. It's more like have to take a taxi to watch it (which does not cost you anything in fares but have to listen to the taxi driver ramble on till get there and he will be the one giving you the lift home) rather than driving your own car or taking a bus (bus being Steam, I say bus on purpose as opposed to train because train implies get there faster which is not universally true as I have both and Origin is faster download speeds and starting/exiting on mine which I guess is because doesnt have as much faff loading).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 12:23 .

[cdethier]

wolfsite wrote...

Can't see this happening, many other Clients, Steam included, tend to require the client to run regardless of single or multi player mode.  There are a few exceptions but they are rather rare (I have heard Bastion can run without the client program in certain cases but I have yet to confirm it).

There is an option to play offline so ther is no need to stay constantly connected.

1. I can't either, doesn't mean we can't hope.

2. Offline means not connected to the internet. It does not mean, unfortunately, that Origins will not be running during that time, doing whatever it is that it does. It is implied in the original post that it will need to be running, even if it needs to be running offline. I haven't seen anything to contradict that, and that is what I (personally) don't want.

[hidden185]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Let me ask you this what exactly word for word would you want in the EULA instead? Honest question and if you cannot answer that then you have very little ground to stand on because it comes across as you don't know what you want. If answer that do not want any information sent then we both know that is not going to happen. Dmex said what it sends and what it looks at so best you may hope for (imho) is wording exactly what he said it currently does (including it's own client and game files).
It says in the EULA itself if they make changes they have to get consent from you and show you the new EULA.

While I really don't have a problem with Origin, I have mentioned what would like to see in the EULA.  Since you asked though, I will be more specific:

1)  I would like to see them rephrase there no sue law to be more specific and less broad and avoid the problems that PSN is having. This will be at least the 2nd - 3rd time I have asked about what does the company think about the PSN case
2)  I would like to see them include a specific clause about that neither EA nor Origin will ever require two-three different methods of verfication for an account like Facebook currently does.  While I understand corporations need one form of verification but having ones e-mail address, real birthdate, real name, credit card, and phone number like Facebook now does is borderline stalking and someone can issue a illegal bankground check.
3)  From an objective stand point, there is also the risk that EA and other companies are becoming increasingly soft targets to a crisis.  In other words the more data they collect and the more consumers they serve, the higher the risk of a trajedy occurs.  Now EA has made greater of strides than any other gaming company in hardening itself as a target from natural and man-made cyber-disaster, but it has alot of work to do in its legal department.  (In fact there was a natural potential cyber disaster a less than two days ago in South due to Solar Flare.)


While I don't have a problem with Origin, I have yet to see a company take a bold step foward in the internet age about developing a very foward thinking plan about privacy in the social networking age.

Modifié par hidden185, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .

[MingWolf]

wolfsite wrote...

cdethier wrote...

To summarize: 

Please allow me to run Mass Effect 3 without another program (Origins) constantly running in the background.

Three additional thoughts:

SNIP

Thank you. 

Can't see this happening, many other Clients, Steam included, tend to require the client to run regardless of single or multi player mode.  There are a few exceptions but they are rather rare (I have heard Bastion can run without the client program in certain cases but I have yet to confirm it).

There is an option to play offline so ther is no need to stay constantly connected.

Thought it was more of a recent phenomenon, except for maybe Valve's own products.  Most of my games don't require a client running in the background.  The only ones that do include Skyrim, Shogun 2 (which I bought on Steam anyways), and of course, all the stuff I bought on Steam.  While I'm not that much of a hard-core gamer, I still pick up the odd title every few months or so. 

The sole purpose of the client is DRM though (at least, in respect to the other games), and quite frankly, given the choice, I don't know too many people who actually want a client running in the background.  I remember when Civ 5 came out, the requirements to have steam running made quite a lot of people furious as well.

[anzolino]

PyroByte wrote...
I'm on windows 7 (has a better build in firewall opposed to win xp anyway)

Battlelog running through a browser bothers me more as Origin does (Would prefer it being integrated in Origin or BF3 directly). I just hope bioware isn't going the samy way with Mass Effect 3 multiplayer.

Just checked the ct article again you are right they didn't sniff the network traffic because they already gathered by anaylsing Origin's behaviour that it doesn't collect any data which it could send.
But there was pc games hardware form user who did indeed sniff origins network traffic and couldn't find anything suspicious (Source (german):extreme.pcgameshardware.de/battlefield-serie/183151-origin-festplattenzugriffe-update-seite-4-a.html )

Ok, I'm not using the Windows firewall, I have a proper one here )

Yes, I know this too. I also used Wireshark to take a look at the TCP stream. But you see nothing interesting because it's encrypted (except the http to Akamai and some Amazon Cloud connection). If you really want to know what data the stream contains, you have to bypass the encryption (using a proxy etc.). Nobody did this at my knowledge. With Wireshark you can only look what addresses will be connected, you can see the content of uncrypted packets, you can load and save the server certificate. But Wireshark cannot read the encrypted stream. The most interesting connection to EA (in my tests it was an IP in Seattle) is encrypted. It's the most interesting because of this virtual port. This port doesn't need file system access. It's all in the memory and Origin needs a lot of memory (according to several users here).
Until now I had no time to build up a proxy bypass and now I'm not interested in EA games anymore. So it would be more fun as necessarily. Maybe sometime I will test it.

wolfsite wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
Read little more about the EULA , there is section where it tells what kind of data Origin client does collect.

I have, it collects anonymous (IE non personal, non identifiable) data. To help them improve future products. This can range form your copmuters technical specs so they have an idea of where to set min requirements for future releases to peripheral data to see what type of controller people prefer (Keyboard Mouse, Joypad, X-Box controller) so they have an idea of what type of add on support to use in future games.

And don't forget to read
- Privacy Policy
- Terms of Service
- Terms of Sale
- Game EULA of your interest
There are a lot of pages to read and analyse and (!) to understand.
Who has this funny signature: Should a game manual not contain more sites as the EULA?

dmex wrote...
You can also opt-out of sharing your information via the 'Contact Options' on your EA profile

This opt-out is for sharing data to other people and not sharing data to EA.

[MingWolf]

hidden185 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Let me ask you this what exactly word for word would you want in the EULA instead? Honest question and if you cannot answer that then you have very little ground to stand on because it comes across as you don't know what you want. If answer that do not want any information sent then we both know that is not going to happen. Dmex said what it sends and what it looks at so best you may hope for (imho) is wording exactly what he said it currently does (including it's own client and game files).
It says in the EULA itself if they make changes they have to get consent from you and show you the new EULA.

On this note, can someone point out where it actually says that if they make changes, they will get consent from (customer) and show the new EULA?  I'm sifting through the Origin EULA now, and cannot find this entry.  All it says is that if you disagree to the changes, you have 30 days to send a letter and go through mumbo jumbo with their legal department.  (Which of course, isn't a lot of help)

Modifié par MingWolf, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:03 .

[subsider34]

Hey, isn't Origin still in beta?  For my client at least, the window title is "Origin Beta".  I've made sure that all the pre-release options are turned off and updated the client. 

Releasing a game solely on a beta platform is inexcusable, especially for a big title like Mass Effect 3.  If the client is out of beta by the time the game is released, fine.  But if not....serious legal and ethical issues will arise, as you will be misrepresenting [1] the quality of the product (Mass Effect 3 + Origin) as being in a final version (as opposed to a testing version). 

Just to be clear, I am not a lawyer.

Modifié par subsider34, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .

[cdethier]

Your analogy doesn't work, for one simple reason the game is as good and high quality regardless of Origin. It's more like have to take a taxi to watch it (which does not cost you anything in fares but have to listen to the taxi driver ramble on till get there and he will be the one giving you the lift home) rather than driving your own car or taking a bus (bus being Steam, I say bus on purpose as opposed to train because train implies get there faster which is not universally true as I have both and Origin is faster download speeds and starting/exiting on mine which I guess is because doesnt have as much faff loading).

You're right, thanks for making me clarify. The point is not that I think Origins is worse than Steam (I don't really care, as I said later in my post). I don't care how I get there, in other words. Ideally, I would be able to walk, take a bus, or a taxi, or whathaveyou. But if you're going to make me take a taxi with an annoying driver, fine. That's one time.

The point is that I don't want an annoying thing running in the background. The analogy isn't great, but what I'm complaining about is not that they made it exclusive to this specific brand, but that the brand has annoying features that hurt MY experience. (Steam has fairly similar features that are also really lame.)

Modifié par cdethier, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:13 .

[KroganRogue]

Chris Priestly wrote...



4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

EA propaganda.

Steam is NOT a restrictive digital distribution Client. It give customers far more freedom and many people already know and would agree (who aren't brainwashed by EA) that VALVe has done a far better job than EA has with orgin by taking care of their customers while also providing excellent value for their hard earned money. Orgin from my experience is a huge disapointment and restricts the customers freedom. So these claims about steam being restrictive on the companies end are indeed NONSENSE and can be easily retorted. That being said Ea hopes to grab more customers by FORCING them to go with their online digital distribution client, Instead of supporting both and providing on all ends of the table to satisfy their customers.

And of course all of us who studitied basic ecnonomics would know that it is less profitable Forcing customers to go with your route that you feel is more comfortable on your end that has the complete opposite effect on OUR end.

My point is that the publishing giant EA wants it to be easy for them while hurting many of their customers in the process who previously supported them through other clients. You guys seriously need to learn you're lession and how to appeal to a braod variety of customers on both ends. That being said I will not buy mass effect 3 for the pc,

Shame on your EA and shame on bioware marketing team for going with the flow in the wrong direction.

There is a group of people you should be asking and listening to more than answering to. And those are your customers.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Let me ask you this what exactly word for word would you want in the EULA instead? Honest question and if you cannot answer that then you have very little ground to stand on because it comes across as you don't know what you want. If answer that do not want any information sent then we both know that is not going to happen. Dmex said what it sends and what it looks at so best you may hope for (imho) is wording exactly what he said it currently does (including it's own client and game files).
It says in the EULA itself if they make changes they have to get consent from you and show you the new EULA.

And if you don't "consent", you lose access to your purchased product. 


The actual question is kinda moot, since I will never use Origin, or install it.

But... it should say that they will never collect any information other than that needed for your login and validation.  And it should say that they will never change it. 

[dmex]

anzolino wrote...
Yes, I know this too. I also used Wireshark to take a look at the TCP stream. But you see nothing interesting because it's encrypted (except the http to Akamai and some Amazon Cloud connection). If you really want to know what data the stream contains, you have to bypass the encryption (using a proxy etc.). Nobody did this at my knowledge.

With Wireshark you can only look what addresses will be connected, you can see the content of uncrypted packets, you can load and save the server certificate. But Wireshark cannot read the encrypted stream. The most interesting connection to EA (in my tests it was an IP in Seattle) is encrypted. It's the most interesting because of this virtual port. This port doesn't need file system access. It's all in the memory and Origin needs a lot of memory (according to several users here).
Until now I had no time to build up a proxy bypass and now I'm not interested in EA games anymore. So it would be more fun as necessarily. Maybe sometime I will test it.

You can use Fiddler 2, just enable the HTTPS decrypt option to view exactly what Origin is doing over HTTPS 

The Origin connection to port 5222 on the Amazon Cloud is for XMPP (chat), You can connect to this using any XMPP standards compliant chat application (PSI, PSI+, Pidgin) and use Origin chat on any device. Right now the username you need to use is your UserID (numerical) which you dont have, you can PM me if you want this ID.

Modifié par dmex, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:52 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Oh, that's right, it's also a chat program, on top of being DRM, download client, spyware, and a food processor.

[hidden185]

MingWolf wrote...

hidden185 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Let me ask you this what exactly word for word would you want in the EULA instead? Honest question and if you cannot answer that then you have very little ground to stand on because it comes across as you don't know what you want. If answer that do not want any information sent then we both know that is not going to happen. Dmex said what it sends and what it looks at so best you may hope for (imho) is wording exactly what he said it currently does (including it's own client and game files).
It says in the EULA itself if they make changes they have to get consent from you and show you the new EULA.

On this note, can someone point out where it actually says that if they make changes, they will get consent from (customer) and show the new EULA?  I'm sifting through the Origin EULA now, and cannot find this entry.  All it says is that if you disagree to the changes, you have 30 days to send a letter and go through mumbo jumbo with their legal department.  (Which of course, isn't a lot of help)

You know I forgot about to mention that:

4) EA's legal department should bold line in the EULA that says "if EA makes changes to the EULA, they will get consent from the custumer and show the new EULA".  Because honestly, I cannot find it either.

Honestly that more than any else would resolve concern #1, I have about the Origin EULA. (*)

In other words I am still wondering what do EA staff think of  Fineman vs. Sony?
You know the court case filed in California that will define more than anything else how DRM programs and digital distribution will work in the long run for games like Mass Effect 3.   No other court case this year will more define the future of gaming as we know it regardless of whether Sony wins or not. (A win for Sony legally would be loss economically; A legal loss for Sony is a long term economic win but a short term stock market plunge). 


P.S. If you have no idea what case I am talking about google "PSN sued for no sueing" or click the link herehttp://dockets.justi...cv05680/249708/ 

(*)Again I don't have a problem with the Orgin Program and I don't mind if its on Mass Effect 3. Its their right do so, and I plan on buying the M3 with Origin.  I do have issue with EA EULA, Steam EULA, and in general most other companies EULA.  I am hoping that EA become a leader in reforming digital content management for consumers rather than settle for 3rd place.

Modifié par hidden185, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:18 .

[Bogsnot1]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Any and All companies are allowd to change there EULA, I'm not ignoring, that is standard to any company who whishes to change terms of services.

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

Being able to change the agreement at will actually renders the agreement null and void under many countries consumer and/or contract laws. It can be, and has been, argued successfully in a court of law that you cannot agree to something in good faith, when the other party reserves the right to change the entire context of what you just agreed to.
So, that leaves companies in the legal position of;
a) Not changing the EULA ever.
Changing it, and you accepting it
c) Changing it, but still having to provide you with the same service as agreed to under the old EULA

They cannot force you to accept any changes to the terms and conditions if you do not agree to them. If they attempt to discontinue service, then you have the legal right for refunds, reperations, or demurrage.

[blothulfur]

This just in: Renowned video game developers Bioware/EA have announced that despite creating over one thousand seperate pieces of downloadable and pre order content for their latest eagerly awaited masterpiece, they have forgotten to make the ACTUAL game.

One Mass Effect 4 developer who has been on the crunch since disco admitted that the game just got overlooked. "Dude, we were just so busy coding various tat for nickle and diming the suckers that we kind of forgot there WAS a game."

An EA executive when asked for comment announced that all dlc will be fully playable in other games and that there are no plans to actually release Mass Effect 4, because and I qoute: "We've allready made more cash selling a non existent product to our discerning customers than Michael Jacksons plastic surgeon, so screw 'em."

Fan reaction has been mixed with many long term fan stating that this was just a matter of time, however a large and vocal majority of fans (the Dragon Age 2 Fan Troop or 2 D.A.F.T.) have come out defending Bioware's corner. Stating that the developers are implementing all their dlc in other cross promotional games and that players shouldn't have the temerity to ask for an actual stand alone game, 2 Daft have called for the imprisonment and eventual execution of anyone caught criticising or not offering blood sacrifice to their lord and god, a move which EA has stated that they are considering for their next end user license agreement.

In this reporters opinion the assault course, kidnapping, robbery and torture that are required in the current eula are enough, but it seems that the pirate menace which funds terrorism and the drug trade (which EA are currently trying to corner the market on) may drive the publisher to develop such stern measures.

As always this is the Dirk Thrustington AI, bringing you your future news. Give us a minute and we'll condense ten thousand years of history into easily manageable soundbites.

Bit cranky about ME3 being only on Origins, was hoping to complete the trilogy. Ah well never mind.

Modifié par blothulfur, 25 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .