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[PARAGON87]

I have to say, I dislike Origin, for valid reasons:

I preordered ME3 Digital Deluxe on it, but for some reason Origin has some problems functioning, I can't access the in-program store, and repeatedly get the error "SERVER ERROR We're very sorry, but we're currently experiencing technical difficulties. Error: SYS_000001".  Plus EA support was no help.  (I can still buy games, but I have to do it in my browser.)

Also, I really really dislike that they charge sales tax. Steam never did, and it added to the bargain that Steam always offered. Call me cheap, but saving an extra $5 on a game adds up.

It looks like Steam will still be my way to go for non-EA PC games. Got to love corporate America.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:25 .

[anzolino]

dmex wrote...
You can use Fiddler 2, just enable the HTTPS decrypt option to view exactly what Origin is doing over HTTPS

The Origin connection to port 5222 on the Amazon Cloud is for XMPP (chat), You can connect to this using any XMPP standards compliant chat application (PSI, PSI+, Pidgin) and use Origin chat on any device. Right now the username you need to use is your UserID (numerical) which you dont have, you can PM me if you want this ID.

Thanks for the hint.
I'm a Linux guy and prefer software running on Linux. Maybe Bogsnot want to try this, I'm not.
I didn't mean the chat port and I don't want to chat. I've only tested the client in VBox because of these uploaded screenshots and my curiosity about the changes.

@Killjoy Cutter *grin*

[dmex]

PARAGON87 wrote...

I have to say, I dislike Origin, for valid reasons:

I preordered ME3 Digital Deluxe on it, but for some reason Origin has some problems functioning, I can't access the in-program store, and repeatedly get the error "SERVER ERROR We're very sorry, but we're currently experiencing technical difficulties. Error: SYS_000001".  Plus EA support was no help.  (I can still buy games, but I have to do it in my browser.)

 

We're looking into the SYS_000001 issue.

 
Also, I really really dislike that they charge sales tax. Steam never did, and it added to the bargain that Steam always offered. Call me cheap, but saving an extra $5 on a game adds up.

It looks like Steam will still be my way to go for non-EA PC games. Got to love corporate America.

You can buy a key to the game from anywhere and activate it on Origin, some buy a $28 russian BF3 key instead of paying $80 on the store 

Modifié par dmex, 25 janvier 2012 - 03:44 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

Why is this not on the first page? Darn the mods and their "Oh, ho, this doesn't need to be stickied even though it's crucial information about the product our customers will be buying!"

You guys haven't lost your touch have you?

[sreaction]

In regards to Origin, of course it cannot be technically defined as spyware since the software/client is not covertly installed on a pc,  however it certainly resembles spyware.

Spyware Defintion ( exerpts taken from webopedia)

*gathers user information through the user's internet  connection without his or her knowledge, usually for advertising purposes.


*Spyware applications are typically bundled as a hidden component


*Aside from the questions of ethics and privacy, spyware steals from
the user by using the computer's memory resources and also by eating bandwidth as it sends information back to the spyware's home base via the user's Internet connection.


*they have the ability to monitor keystrokes, scan files on the harddrive, snoop other applications, such as chat  programs or word processors, install other spyware programs, read cookies (EA, of course denies that its intentions are such, but the potential for abuse is definitely there).


*Licensing agreements that accompany software downloads sometimes
warn the user that a spyware program will be installed along with the
requested software

The ToS and EULA are essentially ultimatums, have complete disregard for
consumer rights, are completely one sided and demands that the consumer
forgoe his/her legal rights.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
I am disgusted  with EA, and for that matter the arrogant approach large video game publishers have taken in the paranoid implementation of draconian DRM requirements.

Modifié par sreaction, 25 janvier 2012 - 09:13 .

[Clive Howlitzer]

I love coming to read this thread every few days, its like a soap opera.

[Pixieking]

*bump*

[Fredvdp]

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

I love coming to read this thread every few days, its like a soap opera.

Two people here have had amnesia and Shane found out Declan isn't his real father.

[Mister Mida]

For the people who live in the EU and are worried about the whole spyware thing (whether Origin is spyware or not in your opinion): the EU commission has made up some new laws

Modifié par Mister Mida, 25 janvier 2012 - 12:27 .

[MEPH1ST0UK1]

Question... if i purchase and install me3 on a pc that does not have an internet connection, so therefore i would have to go to , say, a mate's house, to access my bioware online account and add the game there (thus validating it), would i then be able to go back to the pc with no internet and play the game ?

[Fredvdp]

MEPH1ST0UK1 wrote...

Question... if i purchase and install me3 on a pc that does not have an internet connection, so therefore i would have to go to , say, a mate's house, to access my bioware online account and add the game there (thus validating it), would i then be able to go back to the pc with no internet and play the game ?

You can run Origin in offline mode. After initial authentication you don't have to be connected. I don't know if the authentication requires the game to be played on the PC it was activated on, but if you intend to bring your PC to your mate's house there should be no problem.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 25 janvier 2012 - 12:44 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Why is this not on the first page? Darn the mods and their "Oh, ho, this doesn't need to be stickied even though it's crucial information about the product our customers will be buying!"

You guys haven't lost your touch have you?

I've been asking them for making this sticky since the last big Origin thread, again and again. At the moment this pisses me of more than anything.

Sticky this thread.

[DragonRageGT]

blothulfur wrote...

This just in: Renowned video game developers Bioware/EA have announced that despite creating over one thousand seperate pieces of downloadable and pre order content for their latest eagerly awaited masterpiece, they have forgotten to make the ACTUAL game.

One Mass Effect 4 developer who has been on the crunch since disco admitted that the game just got overlooked. "Dude, we were just so busy coding various tat for nickle and diming the suckers that we kind of forgot there WAS a game."

An EA executive when asked for comment announced that all dlc will be fully playable in other games and that there are no plans to actually release Mass Effect 4, because and I qoute: "We've allready made more cash selling a non existent product to our discerning customers than Michael Jacksons plastic surgeon, so screw 'em."

Fan reaction has been mixed with many long term fan stating that this was just a matter of time, however a large and vocal majority of fans (the Dragon Age 2 Fan Troop or 2 D.A.F.T.) have come out defending Bioware's corner. Stating that the developers are implementing all their dlc in other cross promotional games and that players shouldn't have the temerity to ask for an actual stand alone game, 2 Daft have called for the imprisonment and eventual execution of anyone caught criticising or not offering blood sacrifice to their lord and god, a move which EA has stated that they are considering for their next end user license agreement.

In this reporters opinion the assault course, kidnapping, robbery and torture that are required in the current eula are enough, but it seems that the pirate menace which funds terrorism and the drug trade (which EA are currently trying to corner the market on) may drive the publisher to develop such stern measures.

As always this is the Dirk Thrustington AI, bringing you your future news. Give us a minute and we'll condense ten thousand years of history into easily manageable soundbites.

Bit cranky about ME3 being only on Origins, was hoping to complete the trilogy. Ah well never mind.

Best Post EVA on BSN Award!
Seconded only by these. Proof that 2012 will be an excellent year... for someone...

Stanley Woo wrote...

And I find some of you "detractors" hijacking another thread like this and shutting out those who happen to like the game, the banhammer will be brought down. Hard.

I too find that nothing fosters more positivity than the proverbial "You better shut it, or I'm gonna break your face."

[devil_foetus]

I would have thought it would be in EA's best interest to maximize the potential number of customers by providing the game on a number of digital distribution platforms.
Steam is the most popular of these and people who like the option to purchase the game from it. Just with many other EA titles I don't see why it couldn't be offered in multiple places.

[themastakillah]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Forbidden wrote...
 I'm the one being asked to give EA money for their software.  They want me to buy their games, I'm telling them what will convince me to do that.  As of now, they won't be getting any of my money if they require me to install malware along with it.   I enjoyed the previous two mass effects and dragon age, but there are plenty of other games that don't require malware.  I'll be playing those instead.

Sorry, Forbidden, but there's a small semantic difference. You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

The customer, as always, chooses--using whatever criteria they wish--whether they accept what is being offered at the price at which is being offered, or not. All these people saying they won't buy the game are choosing to exercise their right as gamers and customers to not buy the game. That is great, and I respect and admire them for standing firm in their convictions and being responsible consumers. What I cannot and do not agree with is those same customers putting conditions on their purchases as if we were selling this game at a bazaar and haggling over price. That is not the relationship between buyer and seller here. As a publisher, EA is not going to take "counteroffers" or "conditions" from every individual gamer, least of all on BioWare's discussion forum. If you choose to buy Mass Effect 3, you are doing so with the full knowledge and (albeit grudging) acceptance that it comes with Origin. If you don't believe Origin is worth the cost (in money, features, privacy, or other principles), then you choose to not buy the product.

So continue to make a stand against Origin if you wish--awesome. Proudly proclaim your opinions regarding data privacy--fantastic. State your intentions to not buy if Origin is required--great! But Chris has already given you the answer that Mass Effect 3 will come with Origin and that Origin is required to play Mass Effect 3. Hoping for an eventual change is fine; demanding a change is not, at this time, productive. Sorry.

u know what?!! im fine with that and mostly with all the things u said about us being able to chose to buy it or not. what y'all dont understand from bio/ea that u got us tricked with me3. u will say why is that?! because u made it possible for us to buy me1 and me2 and now ure saying ''if u wanna finish the game and ur shepards adventure u have to like origin''. its kinda like selling an incomplete product (even it is finished) but if u want to have it all(even the last bit) u have to agree with us... sorry but this is lame.

[MEPH1ST0UK1]

Well.. the idea is i am 100% against any 3rd party apps (i dispise steam and flat out refuse to use it) and the same goes for origin. Even if i can disable orgin from "in game".. that just translates to me that there is a time difference from installing origin and deactivating it.. even if that is only 5 seconds.. thats 5 seconds of origin data mining and sending that info to.. wherever and whoever they send it to

[PSUHammer]

So I missed the last 100 pages of posts...what's the summary? Spyware or no? Are people's heads still exploding, here?

[MEPH1ST0UK1]

themastakillah wrote...

u know what?!! im fine with that
and mostly with all the things u said about us being able to chose to
buy it or not. what y'all dont understand from bio/ea that u got us
tricked with me3. u will say why is that?! because u made it possible
for us to buy me1 and me2 and now ure saying ''if u wanna finish the
game and ur shepards adventure u have to like origin''. its kinda like
selling an incomplete product (even it is finished) but if u want to
have it all(even the last bit) u have to agree with us... sorry but this
is lame. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

I totally agree

Hammer6767 wrote...

So I missed the last 100 pages of posts...what's the summary? Spyware or no? Are people's heads still exploding, here?

Yep

Modifié par MEPH1ST0UK1, 25 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .

[themastakillah]

Hammer6767 wrote...

So I missed the last 100 pages of posts...what's the summary? Spyware or no? Are people's heads still exploding, here?

yeah our heads are imploding not exploding, origin from what ive saw is not a spyware anymore, they've got it fixed, now it only scan the folder(s) related to him. still they could change everything in a minute... so for now its a mini spyware waiting to get bigger .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Funny how you keep ignoring the part where they get the change that whenever and however they want, and once you've bought the software, your only choices if such a change is made are to "accept" it, or stop using the product you paid for.

Any and All companies are allowd to change there EULA, I'm not ignoring, that is standard to any company who whishes to change terms of services.

I won't let what if and Maybe scenarios rule my life.

Being able to change the agreement at will actually renders the agreement null and void under many countries consumer and/or contract laws. It can be, and has been, argued successfully in a court of law that you cannot agree to something in good faith, when the other party reserves the right to change the entire context of what you just agreed to.
So, that leaves companies in the legal position of;
a) Not changing the EULA ever.
Changing it, and you accepting it
c) Changing it, but still having to provide you with the same service as agreed to under the old EULA

They cannot force you to accept any changes to the terms and conditions if you do not agree to them. If they attempt to discontinue service, then you have the legal right for refunds, reperations, or demurrage.

Great. 

Now if I could just afford the legal fees necessary to take EA to court over the cost of a video game.

[Killjoy Cutter]

themastakillah wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So I missed the last 100 pages of posts...what's the summary? Spyware or no? Are people's heads still exploding, here?

yeah our heads are imploding not exploding, origin from what ive saw is not a spyware anymore, they've got it fixed, now it only scan the folder(s) related to him. still they could change everything in a minute... so for now its a mini spyware waiting to get bigger .

And they reserve the "right" to change it back to the old behavior at any time.

[PSUHammer]

themastakillah wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So I missed the last 100 pages of posts...what's the summary? Spyware or no? Are people's heads still exploding, here?

yeah our heads are imploding not exploding, origin from what ive saw is not a spyware anymore, they've got it fixed, now it only scan the folder(s) related to him. still they could change everything in a minute... so for now its a mini spyware waiting to get bigger .

So it is basically a forced version of a Steam rip off?  Hmm...I don't like it at all but not enough to keep from playing the game.  Gotta pick your battles, I guess.  At least I don't play any other EA titles but Bioware ones.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:04 .

[Thoth_Amon]

devil_foetus wrote...

I would have thought it would be in EA's best interest to maximize the potential number of customers by providing the game on a number of digital distribution platforms.
Steam is the most popular of these and people who like the option to purchase the game from it. Just with many other EA titles I don't see why it couldn't be offered in multiple places.

Steam gets in the way of EA "lovingly and personally connecting with" its wonderful fans.  EA's doing this because they love you and want to make your ME3 experience the best possible.  

Bwahahahaha.

Seriously, it's a power play and nothing more.  EA doesn't have the library of can't miss games to take down Steam nor will this make any sort of dent in the grand scheme of things.  All this does is allow people who are opposed to it / don't want or need it / can't use it because of region restrictions to spend their money elsewhere.

The best possible ME3 experience for me would be 100% Origin free.  Why don't you want to give that to me, EA?  sadface.jpg

Modifié par Thoth_Amon, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[PSUHammer]

It's not like current DLC delivery isn't tedious! At least if they pushed that stuff through steam I wouldn't have to download 30 seperate exe files if I reinstall the game.

[DownyTif]

Every night, I pray that EA will get a backlash from this draconian move (forcing Origin on us for ME3).