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[DownyTif]

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

Modifié par DownyTif, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:31 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Hammer6767 wrote...

It's not like current DLC delivery isn't tedious! At least if they pushed that stuff through steam I wouldn't have to download 30 seperate exe files if I reinstall the game.

I like the current system -- I get to download and save a file.  I still have the file if I have to reinstall later, and I don't have to rely on a server being up or the content still being available on my account.

[PARAGON87]

dmex wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

I have to say, I dislike Origin, for valid reasons:

I preordered ME3 Digital Deluxe on it, but for some reason Origin has some problems functioning, I can't access the in-program store, and repeatedly get the error "SERVER ERROR We're very sorry, but we're currently experiencing technical difficulties. Error: SYS_000001".  Plus EA support was no help.  (I can still buy games, but I have to do it in my browser.)

 

We're looking into the SYS_000001 issue.

I'm happy to hear that.  It looks like this has been happening for awhile because I looked online for solutions and it seems to have been occurring since Origin launched, with no solution other than anti-virus and security/firewall concerns.

[Dragoonlordz]

DownyTif wrote...

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

That's just a proposal at this stage and will take a long time till find out if even will be accepted, then won't come into force till 2 years after that happens (if that happens). In otherwords ME3 will still come with Origin in 6-7 weeks time.

[Dragoonlordz]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Seriously, it's a power play and nothing more.  EA doesn't have the library of can't miss games to take down Steam nor will this make any sort of dent in the grand scheme of things.  All this does is allow people who are opposed to it / don't want or need it / can't use it because of region restrictions to spend their money elsewhere.

The best possible ME3 experience for me would be 100% Origin free.  Why don't you want to give that to me, EA?  sadface.jpg

Give it time. Rome wasn't built in a day. In the past the DD service EA had wasn't taken seriously even by EA, now things are changing because that is their primary goal for the future to push hard it's own platform akin to Steam. More services and functions over time will be enabled on it, more titles and publishers will come on board again over time.

EA's Origin service today announced it has signed up eleven new publishers for its online marketplace. Among them are CD Projekt, ofThe Witcher fame, and Paradox Interactive, of hardcore historical strategy game fame.Joining them will be Trion Worlds, Robot Entertainment, Freebird Games, Recoil Games, Autumn Games, 1C Company, inXile entertainment, Core Learning Ltd. and N3V Games.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 05:44 .

[luzburg]

well when steam came i hated it. it was even worse than origin is now so i dont know whats the problem. you dont have to pay for it and as long it starts up me3 i dont care if its steam or origin

[Dragoonlordz]

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just latest example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:08 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Give it time. Rome wasn't built in a day. In the past the DD service EA had wasn't taken seriously even by EA, now things are changing because that is their primary goal for the future to push hard it's own platform akin to Steam. More services and functions over time will be enabled on it, more titles and publishers will come on board again over time.

Aha. Like Glocks. For the beginning everybody laughed at plastic guns, but now it's harder to find manufacturer who does not have polymer gun in it's line.

I just wonder, how EA plans to compete with Steam? So far I see only three ways:
1. Dumping. Which is good, IMHO - for same sum of hard earned cash you can purchase more. Practically "buy one, gift one to friend" policy. However, something (my hamster) tells me that this will be unlikely.
2. Exclusives. "Boo" point for me - few companies are capable to not abuse this "exclusive" right. The few, the proud.
3. "Another exclusives" a.k.a. providing services and goods unavailable from other sources, not by matter of "exclusivity" but by matter of being first in certain field (or having higher speech skill). For example, if EA will be able to beat some trash out of bethesda staff and force them to sell here international, not region- and content-locked versions of bethesda's games: well, good luck and green light from me.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just lateast example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Like I said - you sure it was Steam, not Bethesda? If it was Steam, why they not insist on mandatory status of Steam in all new titles?

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:08 .

[AlanC9]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just latest example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Yeah. I hated Steam when it came out -- mostly because I was on dial-up then, and new game installs are incredibly annoying when you don't have broadband (or at least the Orange Box installs were).

But people bought into it, and here we are.

[Rudy Lis]

AlanC9 wrote...

Yeah. I hated Steam when it came out -- mostly because I was on dial-up then, and new game installs are incredibly annoying when you don't have broadband (or at least the Orange Box installs were).

Hey, that's my line!

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just lateast example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Like I said - you sure it was Steam, not Bethesda? If it was Steam, why they not insist on mandatory status of Steam in all new titles?

I'm pretty sure went down like this..

Valve: Hey Bethesda do you mind if we bundle your title with our client?
Bethesda: Not really, go ahead.
Valve: Good boy, you made the right choice here's a little reward, now go buy yourself a treat *pat on head*.

Ok last part probably did not happen. But between them they essentially locked EA out from selling it on their platform and EA have the right to do the same in return for their own products they paid to make and distribute. 

I am 99% sure Bethesda did not come to Valve and ask if could sell their game with Valves client out of the blue. Seems far more logical that Valve push for client combined with product than other way around. I don't have the same fanboyism as others towards Steam (I view both Origin and Steam the same way) so I personally have my suspicions Valve may have actually said something like if you want us to sell your title on Steam you have to bundle our client with retail.

If Steam was not doing it locking out the competition then EA (probably) would not have gone down that route too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:25 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'm pretty sure went down like this..

Valve: Hey Bethesda do you mind if we bundle your title with our client?
Bethesda: Not really, go ahead.
Valve: Good boy, you made the right choice here's a little reward, now go buy yourself a treat *pat on head*.

Ok last part probably did not happen.

Ow, too bad - I already imagine Todd Howard with THAT look on his face...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

But between them they essentially locked EA out from selling it on their platform and EA have the right to do the same in return for their own products they paid to make and distribute.

Really? I thought it was EA who don't give a damn to own DD. But maybe I'm wrong.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am 99% sure Bethesda did not come to Valve and ask if could sell their game with Valves client out of the blue. Seems far more logical that Valve push for client combined with product than other way around. I don't have the same fanboyism as others towards Steam (I view both Origin and Steam the same way) so I personally have my suspicions Valve may have actually said something like if you want us to sell your title on Steam you have to bundle our client with retail.

So, I'm a Steam fanboy now... I've been called many names in my life, but fanboy...

Regardles, seeing Valve as rather "forward oriented" figure, I think they could easily force Bethesda to sign exclusive contract with them much erlier. Yet it happened only recently.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If Steam was not doing it locking out the competition then EA (probably) would not have gone down that route too.

I was too long away from Internet - what and who exactly was locked out by Steam? Not for an argue sake, I really have no idea.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:29 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just latest example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Yeah. I hated Steam when it came out -- mostly because I was on dial-up then, and new game installs are incredibly annoying when you don't have broadband (or at least the Orange Box installs were).

But people bought into it, and here we are.

That something is widely accepted does not make it acceptable.

[Siegdrifa]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

That's just a proposal at this stage and will take a long time till find out if even will be accepted, then won't come into force till 2 years after that happens (if that happens). In otherwords ME3 will still come with Origin in 6-7 weeks time.

This is not just a proposal ... most of it is already the law here, it's more a regulation at euro scale, those subjects are debated since 6 years here for the most recent problem, we can already sue a company for not erasing any data related to ourselfs if they have some trail left after we asked to erase them (unless they are collected for medical purpuse or gathered by the governement).
In my country the law related to privacy and liberty toward informatic environement is dated from 1978 and problem du to privacy and informatic data collection started in 1970, i can assure you... many country in euro take those problems versy seriously since decades, they didn't start to think about privacy and collected data since Origin.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If Steam was not doing it locking out the competition then EA (probably) would not have gone down that route too.

I was too long away from Internet - what and who exactly was locked out by Steam? Not for an argue sake, I really have no idea.

Locked out might be wrong word/phrase, impacted in a big way may have been better one.

So, I'm a Steam fanboy now... I've been called many names in my life, but fanboy...  

The way I used it was more for the ones who are on the extreme end than others. I consider you to be in the other catagory. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:31 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

That's just a proposal at this stage and will take a long time till find out if even will be accepted, then won't come into force till 2 years after that happens (if that happens). In otherwords ME3 will still come with Origin in 6-7 weeks time.

This is not just a proposal ... most of it is already the law here, it's more a regulation at euro scale, those subjects are debated since 6 years here for the most recent problem, we can already sue a company for not erasing any data related to ourselfs if they have some trail left after we asked to erase them (unless they are collected for medical purpuse or gathered by the governement).
In my country the law related to privacy and liberty toward informatic environement is dated from 1978 and problem du to privacy and informatic data collection started in 1970, i can assure you... many country in euro take those problems versy seriously since decades, they didn't start to think about privacy and collected data since Origin.

The reform is a proposal, your initial national laws already existed. The reforms being proposed will impact your initial laws even if minor way if your intial laws are more in line with what it is proposing.

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Locked out might be wrong word/phrase, impacted in a big way may have been better one.

Doesn't matter, we don't discuss words here, we discuss meaning.

Who were those poor souls caught in Steam's collateral?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

To be honest if Steam wasn't forcing people to install their client with titles/games (Skyrim being just latest example), EA may not have gone down this route however Steam very much did it first and if they don't stop doing it I see no reason why EA should.

Because others doing something wrong isn't an excuse for doing something wrong.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Locked out might be wrong word/phrase, impacted in a big way may have been better one.

Doesn't matter, we don't discuss words here, we discuss meaning.

Who were those poor souls caught in Steam's collateral?

Those who did not wish to use Steam or DD clients. Same ones who don't wish to use Origin. Thats the impact on customers.

The impact on EA is their competitor just gets a huge boost in possible customers and sales especially from initial release. Very few people buy a product after it has been out a while compared to when first hits retail so even if Bethesda now sell it on Origin from EA's perspective they lost out big time.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:37 .

[AlanC9]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
But people bought into it, and here we are.

That something is widely accepted does not make it acceptable.

True. But even if it's unacceptable, people did accept it. Steam's success made Origin likely, even inevitable.

I guess it's my fault in part, for disliking Steam but putting up with it anyway.

[Siegdrifa]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

That's just a proposal at this stage and will take a long time till find out if even will be accepted, then won't come into force till 2 years after that happens (if that happens). In otherwords ME3 will still come with Origin in 6-7 weeks time.

This is not just a proposal ... most of it is already the law here, it's more a regulation at euro scale, those subjects are debated since 6 years here for the most recent problem, we can already sue a company for not erasing any data related to ourselfs if they have some trail left after we asked to erase them (unless they are collected for medical purpuse or gathered by the governement).
In my country the law related to privacy and liberty toward informatic environement is dated from 1978 and problem du to privacy and informatic data collection started in 1970, i can assure you... many country in euro take those problems versy seriously since decades, they didn't start to think about privacy and collected data since Origin.

The reform is a proposal, your initial national laws already existed. The reforms being proposed will impact your initial laws even if minor way if your intial laws are more in line with what it is proposing.

it's not my point , you made it sound like it's far from being reality, it is reality already in serval country, that will make the regulation happen more quickly, because this is not a "new" problem to "think about".

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The way I used it was more for the ones who are on the extreme end than others. I consider you to be in the other catagory.

So now you put me in category? Things just get better and better!

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Those who did not wish to use Steam or DD clients. Same ones who don't wish to use Origin. Thats the impact on customers.

Well, can't blame them. From this point I really don't get all that "this is mandatory" part of installation. Not that I have something against Steam or Origin (except that little fact that I wasn't able to make latter work offline so far).

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The impact on EA is their competitor just gets a huge boost in possible customers and sales especially from initial release. Very few people buy a product after it has been out a while compared to when first hits retail so even if Bethesda now sell it on Origin from EA's perspective they lost out big time.

You know what comes to mind here? Kenn and Harrot.

So far all I can see in Origin - just EA titles, few of which are cheaper in Origin than in Steam. Maybe after EA signed that contract you mention, they will expand their stock, but with what - new titles, totally exclusive to Origin? I don't think so - maybe in West, but I doubt that local companies will give their cut of local distribution via their own "network".

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:45 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

and I do hope the backlash is this:
http://ec.europa.eu/...s/120125_en.htm

Plus sales drop of course.

That's just a proposal at this stage and will take a long time till find out if even will be accepted, then won't come into force till 2 years after that happens (if that happens). In otherwords ME3 will still come with Origin in 6-7 weeks time.

This is not just a proposal ... most of it is already the law here, it's more a regulation at euro scale, those subjects are debated since 6 years here for the most recent problem, we can already sue a company for not erasing any data related to ourselfs if they have some trail left after we asked to erase them (unless they are collected for medical purpuse or gathered by the governement).
In my country the law related to privacy and liberty toward informatic environement is dated from 1978 and problem du to privacy and informatic data collection started in 1970, i can assure you... many country in euro take those problems versy seriously since decades, they didn't start to think about privacy and collected data since Origin.

The reform is a proposal, your initial national laws already existed. The reforms being proposed will impact your initial laws even if minor way if your intial laws are more in line with what it is proposing.

it's not my point , you made it sound like it's far from being reality, it is reality already in serval country, that will make the regulation happen more quickly, because this is not a "new" problem to "think about".

My initial comment still stands, the reform proposal is to change the ones that currently do not have same rules or laws. That is the proposal not whether you currently have same laws. It's to bring others into line the ones that do not. I never said was a 'new' problem so seem's to me your tryng to push this discussion in a complete different direction to what was initially said and responded to. It will only really have major impact on those without same rules as the ones being proposed, if yours are more inline with the proposal then good for you but your not a target of the reform then and since it's to really only major impact will be ones with different rules it's them that will take 2 years after to implement (and if) gets passed.

[Troodon80]

Because others doing something wrong isn't an excuse for doing something wrong.

I agree. Saying someone else did it first is not an excuse to do it.

It is only my opinion, and can be ignored by any and all, but I would imagine this to work:

Say they make Origin optional, they don't strong arm people into using it just to play one video game and possibly never again due to said strong-arming.

They make the installation of the game as they have on previous EA Games, just the standard Next->Next->Enter CD Key->Next->Install. At the end of the installation is a checkbox to install Origin (as an optional extra, not a requirement). If you do allow the optional installation of Origin, you get a free game (something that would only cost about $5 anyway, so it's not really going to hurt profits). You give people the choice of installing it, plus they get a nice gift for doing so. Not only do they install the software, but EA has endeared the customer with a certain amount of goodwill. In this case they are more likely to buy from EA again, and continue supporting Origin and EA. On the other hand, those who buy the retail (shop bought version), and simply can't install Origin and use it for patches and DLC due to some issue with internet feel that they have been given a fair and rightful choice. Again, this maintains a certain amount of goodwill between the customer and the company, and they are likely to make more purchase in the future.

The alternative sees EA/BioWare scorning their fans (some of them loyal since the beginning, some of them huge Mass Effect fans (they do know this and that is why they are using it to their advantage, just like BF3)) and customers even through all the criticism, the people who will be giving them their hard earned money in return for a video game.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The way I used it was more for the ones who are on the extreme end than others. I consider you to be in the other catagory.

So now you put me in category? Things just get better and better!

Ok now it's ON...

Yes I do put people into catagories, I admit that for example people who do not like FF vs people who do I catagorise them as either fans or not fans. Also you make my avatar cry, I thought we were friends. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 janvier 2012 - 06:57 .