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[CenturyCrow]

Rudy Lis wrote...
Why law-abiding folk is always on receiving end of this "fight something illegal" proverbial stick?
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"
If you fight piracy (sorry, Stanley), why you fight us, legal, law-abiding owners? Just because you know we are law-abiding and we follow your laws and because you know where we are and where to find us, so you can show to someone that you "really fight the piracy"? C'mon, wipe your goggles, it doesn't work.

Of course, there are always will be those who won't buy a thing. But why you hold us responsible, huh?

Because nobody has invented software yet, that can figure out that you're honest and therefor for you, EA/BioWare doesn't need to install DRM and Origin. (And I'm not a fan of DRM and EULAs either.)

Same thing with the lock on my house. For all the honest people out there, I don't have to lock the door; however, my door can't tell the difference between honest, sometimes honest or dishonest people anymore than I can. So I keep it locked.

Let's face it, even Shepard steals and hacks because he seems short of money. So who do you trust?

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[Rudy Lis]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Because nobody has invented software yet, that can figure out that you're honest and therefor for you, EA/BioWare doesn't need to install DRM and Origin. (And I'm not a fan of DRM and EULAs either.)

I thought we have presumption of innocence, are we not? I don't mind one time check, either via CD-key, or even online activation. But doing that every damn time and/or keep CD in drive? C'mon, I travel a lot, I can't afford carry expensive disks, even in protective case. And few EULA's allow you to make copy of your disk just for that purpose - to save original one. But even if I'm allowed to make copy, I still have a lot things to carry. Sometime 120 litres Bergen pack is not enough to carry all stuff. And mind, I don't take things like hair drier with me - I'm clean shaved, I don't need that - just wipe head with some cloth and you good to go.
Why to play game I need to pass more security clearances than I had to back in army days when we had to access bloody arsenal?

CenturyCrow wrote...

Same thing with the lock on my house. For all the honest people out there, I don't have to lock the door; however, my door can't tell the difference between honest, sometimes honest or dishonest people anymore than I can. So I keep it locked.

According to several contacts from States, somewhere there they don't lock doors, keep their cars, bikes, showmobiles, watercrafts on driveway and unlocked. Don't know how that often, but seeing their horror when they see local doors, I think they not lying. Maybe it's place specific, but one couple I've met were from NY upstate.

Analogy with house is good, I like it.  Really. I like analogies.
But it is not "yours and others" relationship. It's about "you and yours". That is your house. Imagine that guy that sold you that house constantly closing it as soon as you and yours leave it and then constantly request re-authorization for re-entry. Would you like it? Or your car - seller or even better manufacturer, distantly disable your vehicle until you can authorize that you is you. No connection - sorry, but you have to take bus. Oh, your bus ticket requires authorization - maybe you authorize it too often and it is no longer eligible. And my favorite in this line: your beloved SO prepared you some nice meal, really tasty, the one you like. Yes, you got that right - fridge is locked until further authorization, plate does not recognize you, fork, knife and spoon evading your hands cos they can't check your identity and meal... Well, it reqiures further decryption. Currently unavailable because servers are busy... Perfect future.

CenturyCrow wrote...

Let's face it, even Shepard steals and hacks because he seems short of money.

He does that in ME2 (until you help him with some other means). ME1 loot alone was enough to provide good income, wasn't it?

CenturyCrow wrote...

So who do you trust?

My CZ-75 and Benelli Nova. 

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:53 .

[Thoth_Amon]

You know what's awesome? When you want to purchase ME3 and you can't because of region restrictions. Why can't I use my American CC on my current country's Origin store?

Steam lets me do that....

[Rudy Lis]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

You know what's awesome? When you want to purchase ME3 and you can't because of region restrictions. Why can't I use my American CC on my current country's Origin store?

Steam lets me do that....

Your current country Origin have some other payment methods available to you?

[Thoth_Amon]

Not that I can see. My only option is to get a credit card issued from a bank here, which is not going to happen. One credit card is more than enough.

So much for Origin directly reaching consumers.

[Sniper11709]

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

[Killjoy Cutter]

In the effort to fight people trying to do bad things on airplanes, 99.9% of the burden and trouble are placed on the innocent.

In the effort to fight "gun violence" (what a stupid term), 99.9% of the burden and trouble are placed on the innocent.

In the effort to fight (raiding), 99.9% of the burden and trouble are placed on the people already paying for the product anyway.

[heretica]

Sniper11709 wrote...

...steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

[Sniper11709]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

Not really, for Steams offline mode you have to log in online first every time while Origin just needs to be online for the Activation or Multiplayer and then you don't need to log in unless you want to, and yes i'll admit buggy is definetly the way to describe Origin but so far i've run it for 2 months and the only bugs i've run into are the ones where it tells you it can't launch the game after it's already done it and the BF3 "you need to install Origin" idiocy which i got around by reinstalling.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Sniper11709 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

Not really, for Steams offline mode you have to log in online first every time while Origin just needs to be online for the Activation or Multiplayer and then you don't need to log in unless you want to, and yes i'll admit buggy is definetly the way to describe Origin but so far i've run it for 2 months and the only bugs i've run into are the ones where it tells you it can't launch the game after it's already done it and the BF3 "you need to install Origin" idiocy which i got around by reinstalling.

"log in online first every time"

No? Seriously man I can start steam up in offline mode without connecting to the internet at all...you just have to be registered in online mode, then you can boot directly into offline mode whenever you please. I'm not making this up, how do you think I played Skyrim.

[DownyTif]

United_Strafes wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

United_Strafes wrote...

Yawn, gotta remember to take some time out on March 7th to come in and laugh at the crusaders that are all playing and talking about the game despite the agggrroooooooo, ZOMG I'll never have Origin!

It'll be a nice little chuckle during a breakfast break before hopping back in game.

Troll much, kid?

Came into a thread to say that? Don't have a good grasp on what a troll is do ya, cause you're the definition big guy!

You just made my day with this astonishing stupid comment. Killjoy Cutter has been one of the most active community member on the subject since the first thread on the subject many months ago. Go educate yourself.

[Sniper11709]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

Not really, for Steams offline mode you have to log in online first every time while Origin just needs to be online for the Activation or Multiplayer and then you don't need to log in unless you want to, and yes i'll admit buggy is definetly the way to describe Origin but so far i've run it for 2 months and the only bugs i've run into are the ones where it tells you it can't launch the game after it's already done it and the BF3 "you need to install Origin" idiocy which i got around by reinstalling.

"log in online first every time"

No? Seriously man I can start steam up in offline mode without connecting to the internet at all...you just have to be registered in online mode, then you can boot directly into offline mode whenever you please. I'm not making this up, how do you think I played Skyrim.

Dosen't work like that for me, always gives me some crap about not being able to connect to the network and then not being able to launch offline mode, before you say anything yes i have gone through all the instructions and it works for me fine if log in first and then switch to offline, highly inconvenient for me while Origin dosen't even need me to login into an account.

[DownyTif]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

Not really, for Steams offline mode you have to log in online first every time while Origin just needs to be online for the Activation or Multiplayer and then you don't need to log in unless you want to, and yes i'll admit buggy is definetly the way to describe Origin but so far i've run it for 2 months and the only bugs i've run into are the ones where it tells you it can't launch the game after it's already done it and the BF3 "you need to install Origin" idiocy which i got around by reinstalling.

"log in online first every time"

No? Seriously man I can start steam up in offline mode without connecting to the internet at all...you just have to be registered in online mode, then you can boot directly into offline mode whenever you please. I'm not making this up, how do you think I played Skyrim.

I agree. Last week I was away on a business trip (with my personal laptop) and used Steam offline the whole week. I had to tell Steam to reboot in Offline mode though once, before leaving my home. But after, everytime Steam started, it asked me if I wanted to continue in offline mode or go online.

I can't comment on Origin, obviously.

[DownyTif]

Sniper11709 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Sniper11709 wrote...

If ME3 interacts with Origin the same way as other games i have you shouldn't even need to go online to get into offline mode which makes it a hell of a lot more convenient then the piece of **** called Steam, steam sales are awesome and all that but it leaves a lot to be desired with the freedom to play my games so i'm happy to play using Origin and have already preordered through it.

But you have to go online to activate the game,  then it seems you will be forced to run it through Origin offline, which is buggy at this present time, so no its definitely not better, but equivalent to steam's offline mode at best.

Not really, for Steams offline mode you have to log in online first every time while Origin just needs to be online for the Activation or Multiplayer and then you don't need to log in unless you want to, and yes i'll admit buggy is definetly the way to describe Origin but so far i've run it for 2 months and the only bugs i've run into are the ones where it tells you it can't launch the game after it's already done it and the BF3 "you need to install Origin" idiocy which i got around by reinstalling.

"log in online first every time"

No? Seriously man I can start steam up in offline mode without connecting to the internet at all...you just have to be registered in online mode, then you can boot directly into offline mode whenever you please. I'm not making this up, how do you think I played Skyrim.

Dosen't work like that for me, always gives me some crap about not being able to connect to the network and then not being able to launch offline mode, before you say anything yes i have gone through all the instructions and it works for me fine if log in first and then switch to offline, highly inconvenient for me while Origin dosen't even need me to login into an account.

hum weird... cause mine (Steam) is working as advertized... Did it ever work? What I do is this (I'm not on my computer at the moment, so the exact terms are probably bad):

- Log in Steam (online).
- Go in the menu and select "Restart Steam in offline mode" or something like this.
- Then, Steam restarts in offline mode. You can close it, reboot, etc... it will stay in offline mode as long as you want.

[Sniper11709]

I'll cut the quote tree because it's getting a little bit big but whenever i activate offline mode it runs till i turn the laptop off and then asks for connection when i turn it back on, maybe it's my laptop but it still ends up with my experiance of Steam being crap and Origin good so i'll happily accept Origin for ME3.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Sniper11709 wrote...

I'll cut the quote tree because it's getting a little bit big but whenever i activate offline mode it runs till i turn the laptop off and then asks for connection when i turn it back on, maybe it's my laptop but it still ends up with my experiance of Steam being crap and Origin good so i'll happily accept Origin for ME3.

Speaking of trees:

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 26 janvier 2012 - 03:42 .

[MingWolf]

United_Strafes wrote...

Yawn, gotta remember to take some time out on March 7th to come in and laugh at the crusaders that are all playing and talking about the game despite the agggrroooooooo, ZOMG I'll never have Origin!

It'll be a nice little chuckle during a breakfast break before hopping back in game.

You know, even if the comments on this thread don't change a thing, if you were given the choice to run a secondary program in the background intended to control the usage of what you paid for, versus not having this secondary program in the background, which would you choose?  One can suck it up as much as they want, but remaining silent and submissive doesn't help things at all. 

Modifié par MingWolf, 26 janvier 2012 - 04:44 .

[Siegdrifa]

Sniper11709 wrote...

I'll cut the quote tree because it's getting a little bit big but whenever i activate offline mode it runs till i turn the laptop off and then asks for connection when i turn it back on, maybe it's my laptop but it still ends up with my experiance of Steam being crap and Origin good so i'll happily accept Origin for ME3.

Check the steam faq, there is a tutorial to set very very long offline mode.

[Dragoonlordz]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...
Why law-abiding folk is always on receiving end of this "fight something illegal" proverbial stick?
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"
If you fight piracy (sorry, Stanley), why you fight us, legal, law-abiding owners? Just because you know we are law-abiding and we follow your laws and because you know where we are and where to find us, so you can show to someone that you "really fight the piracy"? C'mon, wipe your goggles, it doesn't work.

Of course, there are always will be those who won't buy a thing. But why you hold us responsible, huh?

Because nobody has invented software yet, that can figure out that you're honest and therefor for you, EA/BioWare doesn't need to install DRM and Origin. (And I'm not a fan of DRM and EULAs either.)

Same thing with the lock on my house. For all the honest people out there, I don't have to lock the door; however, my door can't tell the difference between honest, sometimes honest or dishonest people anymore than I can. So I keep it locked.

Let's face it, even Shepard steals and hacks because he seems short of money. So who do you trust?

Not locking your door here would get you robbed within a week or two, locking the door doesn't stop them 100% as they could just smash a window but at least your trying. The same thing imho with DRM, they are trying even if won't stop it 100%. I don't blame them for trying but I do hope they find a way eventually to stop it happening. But leaving your door unlocked is not the solution.

[Troodon80]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

You know what's awesome? When you want to purchase ME3 and you can't because of region restrictions. Why can't I use my American CC on my current country's Origin store?

Steam lets me do that....

A little off topic, but I was just checking in here and saw this.

I contacted Amazon.com (I bought it from the .com (America) branch since the .co.uk (UK) branch didn't have it) the other day and they told me it was "Region Free" and could be played anywhere in the world.

Does anyone know if this is true, if it is region free or region locked?

[DownyTif]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

Rudy Lis wrote...
Why law-abiding folk is always on receiving end of this "fight something illegal" proverbial stick?
"Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"
If you fight piracy (sorry, Stanley), why you fight us, legal, law-abiding owners? Just because you know we are law-abiding and we follow your laws and because you know where we are and where to find us, so you can show to someone that you "really fight the piracy"? C'mon, wipe your goggles, it doesn't work.

Of course, there are always will be those who won't buy a thing. But why you hold us responsible, huh?

Because nobody has invented software yet, that can figure out that you're honest and therefor for you, EA/BioWare doesn't need to install DRM and Origin. (And I'm not a fan of DRM and EULAs either.)

Same thing with the lock on my house. For all the honest people out there, I don't have to lock the door; however, my door can't tell the difference between honest, sometimes honest or dishonest people anymore than I can. So I keep it locked.

Let's face it, even Shepard steals and hacks because he seems short of money. So who do you trust?

Not locking your door here would get you robbed within a week or two, locking the door doesn't stop them 100% as they could just smash a window but at least your trying. The same thing imho with DRM, they are trying even if won't stop it 100%. I don't blame them for trying but I do hope they find a way eventually to stop it happening. But leaving your door unlocked is not the solution.

Jumping in. I undestand what you said but I don't think it applies to DRM. Locking the door in only "inconvenient" for you (and your family), not for everybody. If you decide to put 20 locks, 3 alarm systems, and barricade all the windows, it won't change a thing for me (the neighbor), only you. But you will be safe.

DRM affects everybody except (to some extent) the one defining it. If EA decides to lock their door tight (Origin mandatory), everybody else suffer from this.

Now, if I treat my computer like my house and want to put extreme security measures, I can't even do that because I need Origin and it wants me to be online at least once (maybe more).

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Sniper11709 wrote...

I'll cut the quote tree because it's getting a little bit big but whenever i activate offline mode it runs till i turn the laptop off and then asks for connection when i turn it back on, maybe it's my laptop but it still ends up with my experiance of Steam being crap and Origin good so i'll happily accept Origin for ME3.

Could be your system, but like I said, I can run in offline without online prompt, just have to set it in offline mode...I can only guess what you are doing wrong or why somehow your setup isn't working as it should. You should contact steam support though, this shouldn't be happening and is either a fault of yours through the process or of compatibility/version (although I can't fathom how in this respect).

[Dragoonlordz]

Troodon80 wrote...

Thoth_Amon wrote...

You know what's awesome? When you want to purchase ME3 and you can't because of region restrictions. Why can't I use my American CC on my current country's Origin store?

Steam lets me do that....

A little off topic, but I was just checking in here and saw this.

I contacted Amazon.com (I bought it from the .com (America) branch since the .co.uk (UK) branch didn't have it) the other day and they told me it was "Region Free" and could be played anywhere in the world.

Does anyone know if this is true, if it is region free or region locked?

Amazon.com digital service is region locked. I know because I live in the UK and asked them directly.

At the time I asked because they had DAO:UE digital for I think is was $20 (£13ish) and over here was £20 on the co.uk site. I spent ages looking through their ToS, Delivery information and all other online help doucments. I emailed them got told all their products are region locked. They then pointed me to their digital music ToS information.

However I did then have a word with them saying they need to add such terms to list under digital games (ToS) too because reading the music ToS when buying games is not very user friendly. Going by your question I'm guessing they never did change or update their site based on my advice.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[Shepard the Leper]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Not locking your door here would get you robbed within a week or two, locking the door doesn't stop them 100% as they could just smash a window but at least your trying. The same thing imho with DRM, they are trying even if won't stop it 100%. I don't blame them for trying but I do hope they find a way eventually to stop it happening. But leaving your door unlocked is not the solution.

That's not a really good analogy imho. Locking the door behind you does reduce the likelyhood of getting robbed. DRM's impact on digital theft on the other hand is unknown. There are, in fact, signs that point toward the opposite effect ((dracionian) DRM increasing piracy instead of reducing it).

DownyTif wrote...

Jumping in. I undestand what you said but I don't think it applies to DRM. Locking the door in only "inconvenient" for you (and your family), not for everybody. If you decide to put 20 locks, 3 alarm systems, and barricade all the windows, it won't change a thing for me (the neighbor), only you. But you will be safe.

DRM affects everybody except (to some extent) the one defining it. If EA decides to lock their door tight (Origin mandatory), everybody else suffer from this.

Now, if I treat my computer like my house and want to put extreme security measures, I can't even do that because I need Origin and it wants me to be online at least once (maybe more).

I think this is a better description of the problem.

When you replace house with your car - and it takes 30 minutes to unlock, get in, and drive away - it is rather pointless to use it when you can reach the destination in less than 30 minutes on foot too.

When most people buy a video game, they want to enjoy themselves playing the game. They do not like to be forced to register, create accounts, log in, insert codes, install additional software, updates, activations, non-stop internet connection and so forth. Most people will have no problem with some form of security as they understand the need for protection. There is, however, a line and when crossed people might consider spending their money on something else - something user-friendly - to enjoy themselves and walk away.