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Consider: The EULA only stipulates that the games you purchase will be available for download for a year.  Now why do you think EA put that in there?


The EULA doesn't contain the words 'months', 'year' or '12' so I don't know why you're thinking downloads are limited to one year.


Re-downloads of a purchased game were limited (some years ago) to one year. Things changed in the meantime but EA never managed to explain the changes, from version to version, of their digital service. That naturally adds to the confusion (and suspicion) of yet another version of EA's digital service, which is now mandatory.

I hope there will be a serious official effort to explain what the service is about and why is it a "good" thing to be required. Dmex has already indicated some pretty good points and it would be a waste for that detailed information to be limited to forums.

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Then we have no argument, Killjoy Cutter. You're arguing for "no Origin" and we have already said ME3 will have Origin. If you're that paranoid about a company potentially changing their terms because it's stated in the "contract" that they can, you had better read the contracts for your credit cards, insurance policies, health plan, cell phone, and any other software you use.

Big difference:  Credit cards are regulated.  There are quite a few consumer protection laws surrounding credit card contracts, insurance policies, and whatnot.  The last one you mentioned, Software, is rarely a concern, since most software cannot be retroactively rescinded.  Anyone who buys ME3, but later disagrees with a change made to the EULA, they lose access to the game they bought. 

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?

Do we really need yet another re-hashing of the various shady things EA has pulled over the past few years?  Sure, the chance of some random person becoming president is pretty low.  But we're not talking about some random person.  You could go back almost ten years and say Barack Obama had a decent chance of one day becoming president.   The chance of EA changing its EULA is extremely high, especially since they've made several changes in the last six months alone.

If you have that little trust in the comapny, Killjoy Cutter, then be done with it. Refuse to buy Mass Effect 3 due to Origin being required and that will be that. You will need fear a changing ME3 EULA no more.

Now you're making sense.  But then, how long will you continue to be a moderator here is you continue to suggest gamers not buy your games?  Personally, I'm taking your advice.  I won't buy any game that requires Origin.

But if, on the other hand, you still really really want to play ME3 and hope to persuade EA to maybe change some of their policies (to the good, of course) in the future, the possibility, I imagine, is greater than zero. Maybe not much greater, but I imagine it's greater.

  Hope springs eternal.

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Merkar wrote...

dmex wrote...

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Consider: The EULA only stipulates that the games you purchase will be available for download for a year.  Now why do you think EA put that in there?


The EULA doesn't contain the words 'months', 'year' or '12' so I don't know why you're thinking downloads are limited to one year.


Re-downloads of a purchased game were limited (some years ago) to one year. Things changed in the meantime but EA never managed to explain the changes, from version to version, of their digital service. That naturally adds to the confusion (and suspicion) of yet another version of EA's digital service, which is now mandatory.

I hope there will be a serious official effort to explain what the service is about and why is it a "good" thing to be required. Dmex has already indicated some pretty good points and it would be a waste for that detailed information to be limited to forums.

You're right, it was in terms of service, not in EULA, and now seems to have vanished down the memory hole. http://i.imgur.com/U9cw2.jpg

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Stanley Woo wrote...
Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?


But... it *is* probable.

So I guess the question remains, why is *BioWare* so adamant on using Origin. Specifically. Not this "Steam limits us" vagueness (ignoring the fact that physical copies are unrelated to Steam). It's not a spoiler to tell us how you're going to use a program. How *could* it be a spoiler, if it doesn't even apply to the PS3 and 360 versions? What is so imperitive that you'd require PC gamers to undergo these requirements for the same experience as console gamers?

And it is BioWare, right? You're the ones programming the game, so the people making the actual Origin requirement are you.


BTW Fun fact: After sending in my ME3 Origin requirement complaint to EA, in the E-mail I got... a coupon for Origin. LOL

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Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

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Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?


But... it *is* probable.

So I guess the question remains, why is *BioWare* so adamant on using Origin. Specifically. Not this "Steam limits us" vagueness (ignoring the fact that physical copies are unrelated to Steam). It's not a spoiler to tell us how you're going to use a program. How *could* it be a spoiler, if it doesn't even apply to the PS3 and 360 versions? What is so imperitive that you'd require PC gamers to undergo these requirements for the same experience as console gamers?

And it is BioWare, right? You're the ones programming the game, so the people making the actual Origin requirement are you.


BTW Fun fact: After sending in my ME3 Origin requirement complaint to EA, in the E-mail I got... a coupon for Origin. LOL


All I got back in the E-mail I sent off to EA was getting told to get over it, company choices are no concern to the customer... and all wanted to know is that if Origin was going to be requierd for all future EA games and why Origin wasn't made optional to games that were not requierd it for single player games...

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People seem to completely forget how trust works. Once trust is lost in a company, it is very hard to regain it. That given companies, like EA, have done things in the past that seem ... unfortunate or shady is not something the intelligent gaming community quickly forgets.

The PR response to that is not to say 'hey but our latest heavy-handed approach is just fine, yo!' - it's to eat a little humble pie and say 'ok, we screwed up, but we're going to do better because you deserve it, our favoured customers'. That of course implies EA actually cares about its customers, which increasingly seems not to be the case.

Take a page out of CD Projekt's PR manual. Everything they have done around the Witcher 2 has both involved DRM and even legal challenges around piracy and yet because they understand customer service, they come out of it smelling of roses. I had a genuine problem with SecuROM in Witcher 2 crashing my game, logs and all. They gave me a free no-strings-attached download of the game from GOG.com by way of apology, and then after the launch had died down, removed the DRM for everyone in their first major patch. They've earned my trust. They've shown they care, that they are making games for me, not just to earn a buck. What has EA done lately to do that? Even if cynically it's a PR stunt, it worked!

The greatest irony for me is that when ME1 finally came out for the PC I didn't buy it because of SecuROM. It took three years and a gift through Steam for me to play it, and I was wowed, I was in awe, I thought 'what an amazing game I could have missed out on'. That right there is why buggy and awkward DRM in all its forms, and whether you like it or not I'm including Origin, is a handicap not a boon to the publisher.

Then ME2 came along, with practically no DRM at all. I thought that EA had seen the light. They'd understood that heavy-handed tactics earn them no favours and reduces trust in the publisher. I bought ME2 on launch day, CE edition, by way of a thank you.

Now ME3 comes, and EA have totally reversed stance again. Well, perhaps it will be another three years and a gift on Steam before I play the conclusion. I can wait.

I want to be able to take a DVD out of the box and play the game I bought, whether now or in five years time, and not worry about whether EA kept the lights on in the mean time. Would we have a relatively bug-free patched copy of Vampire Bloodlines today if Troika had folded and taken authentication servers with it? People are still buying that game and enjoying it today, a testament to the efforts, if not so much QA, of a talented developer (and the community that patched it). Will we be able to say the same of ME3, or will we find that a few years down the road, nobody can really get it to work, the great talents of Bioware inaccessible, because they & EA have moved onto the next shiny? Time will tell.

Bioware isn't making the next FIFA that lasts a year and is then discarded. They're making a saga, something people will invest, have invested, hundreds of hours of gaming into, quite possibly for the next decade. That they treat that with such little respect is disappointing.

Longer post than I'd planned, but hey ho.

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

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That is their current EULA. It has changed and it will change again and you have to agree to all changes. Oh and any changes to EULA are on their website, which it is assumed you are keeping up with. Yeah, it's expected that you read that 40 page document every week.


Ah well, sometimes I feel we're moving a little towards this. I just wanna play Mass Effect 3. Image IPB

Also, sticky this thread.



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MarauderESP wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

That is their current EULA. It has changed and it will change again and you have to agree to all changes. Oh and any changes to EULA are on their website, which it is assumed you are keeping up with. Yeah, it's expected that you read that 40 page document every week.


Ah well, sometimes I feel we're moving a little towards this. I just wanna play Mass Effect 3. Image IPB

Also, sticky this thread.



HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA oh dear HAHAAHAHAHAHAA yup that is almost the sitation with this :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


I too just watched this clip, and thought the very same thing..

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found this on youtube of a guy trying to play BF3


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Metalrocks wrote...

found this on youtube of a guy trying to play BF3


wow hahahahah. What a joke. I'm so looking forward to the players' rage that will buy ME3 anyway and having to go through this "/$"/$. Happy to stay out of this.

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Gatt9 wrote...

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We keep seeing these "But it doesn't do that anymore!" posts as if that just fixes everything nice and dandy. 

But it doesn't. 

The only thing that will actually address the issue at hand is dumping the mandate for Origin on physical copies, because the history of Origin's behavior and EULA, because of the one-sided changeablility of the EULA, because of the long period of evasiveness regarding Origin and ME3, and because of EA's general history of acting like they don't give a (darn) as long as they manage to get the customers' money. 

So yes, the original intent will always matter -- we have absolutely no reason to trust EA to not keep attempting to do the same thing over and over. 

See also, Facebook. 

Then we have no argument, Killjoy Cutter. You're arguing for "no Origin" and we have already said ME3 will have Origin. If you're that paranoid about a company potentially changing their terms because it's stated in the "contract" that they can, you had better read the contracts for your credit cards, insurance policies, health plan, cell phone, and any other software you use.

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?

If you have that little trust in the comapny, Killjoy Cutter, then be done with it. Refuse to buy Mass Effect 3 due to Origin being required and that will be that. You will need fear a changing ME3 EULA no more. But if, on the other hand, you still really really want to play ME3 and hope to persuade EA to maybe change some of their policies (to the good, of course) in the future, the possibility, I imagine, is greater than zero. Maybe not much greater, but I imagine it's greater.


I believe the major problem here is this...

Could the credit card company change my interest rate to 50%?  Sure.  But they didn't try and start me at 50%,  and I have no reason to expect them to.

Did EA try to start out by scanning every bit on my computer?  Yes.  Then they backpedaled on it later.  But someone,  somewhere,  at EA feels that it's a great idea to scan every bit on my computer.

Further,  what was the purpose of that?  The credit card company's purpose is obvious,  it's immediate financial gain.  EA's purpose is not obvious,  someone at EA had a plan on what they wanted to do with that information,  and it's obvious that the majority of that information is completely useless to EA.  Even the hardware data is useless,  Steam offers it for free and has 40 million data points,  more than 7x what EA claims and that number is likely counting forum accounts.

That's what the problem here is.  We don't know why EA wanted to do that,  or why EA backpedaled on it,  so it is in our best interests to assume that it is not benign.

If EA ever wants me to install Origin,  it would require full disclosure.  Until then,  I'll treat them the same way I treat Ubisoft,  boycott EA's PC products (Although TBH,  ME3's my last game until EA gets over this Online Pass and overboard DLC thing they have going too).


Great answer to Stanley.

Stanley, by keeping this thread alive, we hope to change something, but like you say, our chances are kind of limited. But this thread also has another purpose: vent our RAGE against what's going on. And we need as many people as possible to read our rants because we HATE what you (not personaly of course) have done to us with this joke of Origin (and all the story of it even if it's now changed, like data mining, as mentionned in many posts).

There is also one thing I want to add: when I buy a game from ANY OTHER COMPANY, I own the game (single player). I can play when I want, because I paid for it with my money. With Origin, you could decide that this specific post is wrong and ban my account. With ANY OTHER COMPANY, I would just be ban from forums to prevent me from writting. With your stupid Origin system, I'll loose access to all my games, even the one bought at my local store, where I used my car to get to. Even to games like ME3, in which I really don't care for multiplayer.

Seriously, how can you argue/defend this last paragraph? 

I have said it many time now, I'll pass on ME3 as long as Origin is required. And I'm not paranoid, I'm just against all this ****.

EDIT: and like other said, I so agree that EA is not thrustworthy. Trying to sneak things isn't the best pratice in any relation (couple, friends, clients->company). Ea has done it multiple times. Why would they stop? It's not paranoia, it's realism.

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Beta according to wikipedia:
Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.

Seriously? Mandatory?

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DownyTif wrote...

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found this on youtube of a guy trying to play BF3


wow hahahahah. What a joke. I'm so looking forward to the players' rage that will buy ME3 anyway and having to go through this "/$"/$. Happy to stay out of this.


yeah, me too. you find more of these vids on youtube. origin (€A) will stay far away from my pc.

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DownyTif wrote...
Stanley, by keeping this thread alive, we hope to change something, but like you say, our chances are kind of limited. But this thread also has another purpose: vent our RAGE against what's going on. And we need as many people as possible to read our rants because we HATE what you (not personaly of course) have done to us with this joke of Origin (and all the story of it even if it's now changed, like data mining, as mentionned in many posts).


Yeah.  While the chances of these posts are slim in changing anything, I'm hoping at least some of the words on this thread are heard.

Personally, I don't have anything to vent about.  I'm a grown adult with priorities that makes gaming pretty secondary compared to the greater scheme of things.  Unlike a few fans on this thread who blatently defend this and call the rest of us cry babies, I believe it is still helpful voicing an opinion, because without opinion, nothing will ever change; not in ME3, and not in future titles.  I've studied business in University, and while I would hardly call myself a professional by any means, I know the key to good business is good customer relationships.  This is pretty much written in the first chapter of any marketing textbook.  Companies who ignore this tend not to fare so well, even if the herd in the industry all go the same direction (hopefully not over a cliff). 

If I was given the choice of two identical games, one with a system like Origin and one without, I would choose the latter, plain and simple.  While I appreciate contributors like Dmex who helped explain a few things regarding Origin, such as misconceptions, some of the greater issues brought up in this thread still go largely unanswered or ignored.  "This is the way we are doing it, and this is the way it shall be done."  The finality of gimmicks as controversial as Origin is depressing, especially when we look at companies like Ubisoft who are burned at the stake by their customers.

Speaking out helps a little.  It might be for nothing in respect to ME3, at least this close to release date, but hey, there is nothing wrong with trying. 

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MingWolf wrote...

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Stanley, by keeping this thread alive, we hope to change something, but like you say, our chances are kind of limited. But this thread also has another purpose: vent our RAGE against what's going on. And we need as many people as possible to read our rants because we HATE what you (not personaly of course) have done to us with this joke of Origin (and all the story of it even if it's now changed, like data mining, as mentionned in many posts).


Yeah.  While the chances of these posts are slim in changing anything, I'm hoping at least some of the words on this thread are heard.

Personally, I don't have anything to vent about.  I'm a grown adult with priorities that makes gaming pretty secondary compared to the greater scheme of things.  Unlike a few fans on this thread who blatently defend this and call the rest of us cry babies, I believe it is still helpful voicing an opinion, because without opinion, nothing will ever change; not in ME3, and not in future titles.  I've studied business in University, and while I would hardly call myself a professional by any means, I know the key to good business is good customer relationships.  This is pretty much written in the first chapter of any marketing textbook.  Companies who ignore this tend not to fare so well, even if the herd in the industry all go the same direction (hopefully not over a cliff). 

If I was given the choice of two identical games, one with a system like Origin and one without, I would choose the latter, plain and simple.  While I appreciate contributors like Dmex who helped explain a few things regarding Origin, such as misconceptions, some of the greater issues brought up in this thread still go largely unanswered or ignored.  "This is the way we are doing it, and this is the way it shall be done."  The finality of gimmicks as controversial as Origin is depressing, especially when we look at companies like Ubisoft who are burned at the stake by their customers.

Speaking out helps a little.  It might be for nothing in respect to ME3, at least this close to release date, but hey, there is nothing wrong with trying. 



Excellent post!

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Origin = "We're not going to let you buy the game."

Amazon = "Yes, you can buy it here."

Well played, EA. Well played indeed. I just hope Amazon's download speeds don't suck.

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Metalrocks wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

Metalrocks wrote...

found this on youtube of a guy trying to play BF3


wow hahahahah. What a joke. I'm so looking forward to the players' rage that will buy ME3 anyway and having to go through this "/$"/$. Happy to stay out of this.


yeah, me too. you find more of these vids on youtube. origin (€A) will stay far away from my pc.


i have yet to see any of these issues with bf3 on my ridiculously old rig, thats running it as smooth as one can hope for ^.^

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sackyhack wrote...

So, let me get this straight. Everybody's paranoid about EA going through their files, cancelling their preorders and swearing off EA and Bioware forever. Then some random guy comes along, calls himself a developer and makes an offer that's the complete opposite of EA's stance on the matter and you're all ready to download his program that could be malware for all you know? Hypocrisy much?

It's painfully obvious for many of you this isn't about privacy, it's Steam fanboy anti-EA vitriol. You should go back to trying to justify piracy.


As to this just being "anti-EA vitriol", I say that is untrue..

The reaction to dmex says it all.
Here you have a person who seems to have soul, a brain and appears to be acting in the financial best interests of EA and interacting with the community to assuage their fears.
The community and the staff can't believe that such a person could work for EA.

What speaks more about EA then nobody being able to believe there could be an exemplary employee working there? Even the staff and employee's can fathom such a thing.
I mean an exemplary EA employee? He must be a fraud, because I have not seen any pigs flying.

If he isn't an employee that that also says bad things.. like why not? or why wouldn't you know?

He was apparently banned and then reinstated and thus is as his tag says, Developer. Hell hath frozen over?

What is next? EA employees figuring out that their paycheck come from "EA selling things" and fixing security certificates so they can trade DA2 content for my money? I tried for an entire month to get EA to accept my money.. No luck in finding any employee who made any connection between sales and their job.

EA is about as effective as government bureaucracy, both in attitude and compartmentalization.

There is a difference between vitriol and reality.

A service such as Origin is based on a foundation of trust and things like "download insurance :devil:" are still on some of our minds.

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Pupuppu wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?


The likelihood of this to happen with Electronic Arts in the last 6 months was 100%. I bought my games from 2007 at the EA store. The EULA was fine and "customer friendly". Then I got taste what can happen to your purchases.
I was presented with the "you give up all your rights and we sell your data to whomever we want, because we will build facebook2" EULA.

So i choose not to accept it. The support now told me, that I can't access my games anymore. They didn't offer an alternate route to download or provide the games and told me I'm out of luck.
It's not a possibility but reality.

After beeing caught and incoming legal trouble EA backs down, they now even have different EULAs for differnt countries (still fail to present the correct one though on installation). I still don't know which one applies to me.


And yet people tell me I'm being paranoid or unreasonable...

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

We keep seeing these "But it doesn't do that anymore!" posts as if that just fixes everything nice and dandy. 

But it doesn't. 

The only thing that will actually address the issue at hand is dumping the mandate for Origin on physical copies, because the history of Origin's behavior and EULA, because of the one-sided changeablility of the EULA, because of the long period of evasiveness regarding Origin and ME3, and because of EA's general history of acting like they don't give a (darn) as long as they manage to get the customers' money. 

So yes, the original intent will always matter -- we have absolutely no reason to trust EA to not keep attempting to do the same thing over and over. 

See also, Facebook. 


Then we have no argument, Killjoy Cutter. You're arguing for "no Origin" and we have already said ME3 will have Origin. If you're that paranoid about a company potentially changing their terms because it's stated in the "contract" that they can, you had better read the contracts for your credit cards, insurance policies, health plan, cell phone, and any other software you use.

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?

If you have that little trust in the comapny, Killjoy Cutter, then be done with it. Refuse to buy Mass Effect 3 due to Origin being required and that will be that. You will need fear a changing ME3 EULA no more. But if, on the other hand, you still really really want to play ME3 and hope to persuade EA to maybe change some of their policies (to the good, of course) in the future, the possibility, I imagine, is greater than zero. Maybe not much greater, but I imagine it's greater.


I don't have a credit card, a contracted insurance policy or health plan, or a contracted cell phone.  I'm very careful about my software, how it installs, and what I allow it to do.  Before you ask, I do not use Steam, Facebook, etc.


I want to play ME3.  I will not play ME3 as long as I have to so much as get a sniff of Origin in order to do so.  I will not sacrifice basic principles of privacy and security for a game.  I will not be coerced or inticed into installing Origin simply to play ME3 or any other game.

I will not buy a gaming console to play ME3, I use a PC instead of consoles deliberately.  "Features" such as automatic patching, cloud saves, etc, that are in Steam and apparently in Origin are directly antithetical to my reasons for avoiding consoles and using a PC.

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Mitchumas wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?


But... it *is* probable.

So I guess the question remains, why is *BioWare* so adamant on using Origin. Specifically. Not this "Steam limits us" vagueness (ignoring the fact that physical copies are unrelated to Steam). It's not a spoiler to tell us how you're going to use a program. How *could* it be a spoiler, if it doesn't even apply to the PS3 and 360 versions? What is so imperitive that you'd require PC gamers to undergo these requirements for the same experience as console gamers?

And it is BioWare, right? You're the ones programming the game, so the people making the actual Origin requirement are you.


BTW Fun fact: After sending in my ME3 Origin requirement complaint to EA, in the E-mail I got... a coupon for Origin. LOL


All I got back in the E-mail I sent off to EA was getting told to get over it, company choices are no concern to the customer... and all wanted to know is that if Origin was going to be requierd for all future EA games and why Origin wasn't made optional to games that were not requierd it for single player games...


Wait, you actually received a reply email telling you that "company choices are no concern to the customer"? 

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The way I see it - lots of people are going to resort to illegal means to play the game - and it's sad for BioWare really.

#3524
Luvinn

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Vendrium wrote...

The way I see it - lots of people are going to resort to illegal means to play the game - and it's sad for BioWare really.


Indeed sad, but i can't believe Bioware is completely innocent in the mess. I just wish i could see the execs talking when they thought this was a good idea. So many people probably wanted to call them idiots, but held back because they liked their job.

I'll buy the game, but like i said before, no more future revenue from me goes to EA. As a matter of fact, i will pay MORE for a game on steam than origin if its available on both platforms just to do my part sticking it to the man.

#3525
Killjoy Cutter

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Luvinn wrote...

Vendrium wrote...

The way I see it - lots of people are going to resort to illegal means to play the game - and it's sad for BioWare really.


Indeed sad, but i can't believe Bioware is completely innocent in the mess. I just wish i could see the execs talking when they thought this was a good idea. So many people probably wanted to call them idiots, but held back because they liked their job.

I'll buy the game, but like i said before, no more future revenue from me goes to EA. As a matter of fact, i will pay MORE for a game on steam than origin if its available on both platforms just to do my part sticking it to the man.


Should EA software ever be available for download via Steam again, it will probably still require the installation and use of Origin.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 27 janvier 2012 - 07:27 .