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[Dragoonlordz]

Alpha Bootis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

1. Data sent based on what looks at has been tested by me and others in last thread. It only scans its own game folder and your registry.

2. I can't answer but marketing is most obvious to me of which you answered yourself in your first question detail. However this isn't factual and more my own assumption based on most likely.

3. You can opt out of data collection on your EA account I believe on their website and you can opt out of data collection within ME3, whether not this also opts you out of data collection from those 2 sources I just mentioned in question one within Origin I do not know.

4. All EULAs are based on broad paint strokes and copy and pastes same with any other EULA in order to try to cover every possiblity they can. It says in it that only collects data from where client is shown to actually collect data in the current EULA I believe it was in the "we care about your privacy" part or something where states the client only looks at game folder and registry which fell under no identifiable information (however this also includes IP address but if upset over that then you may aswell stop using the internet given your ISP, search engine and BSN knows your IP or records it for legal purposes).

I am aproaching midnight so i can't be bothered to look it up anymore but EA's Origin EULA has been quoted to do a lot worse then you right here try to make me beleive. 
In fact i think it factually states EA has the right to gather some or some other private data and EA has the right to collect this data. Wether they actually do this and to what ends is quite irrelevant to me, nor are the intentions behind the way they write things down. Some of the worst things in human history have been done with the best intentions, the fact of the matter is im not signing anything that makes my privacy very uncontrollable because they want to "cover everything" in some EULA.
And yes i have facebook, but facebook contains no relevant private data and is in fact really controllable.

The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware. 

IP address already told you that along with hardware specifications and peripheral hardware > Registry as already mentioned. 

Software and software usage is Origin and game > It scans the game folder and Origin folder which does (and only does).

That is taken direct from the EULA which is linked in the Origin client.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .

[photographerleia]

LittleDiegito wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

Just so it doesn't get lost I will quote this, because this is the crux of the matter.

[AlanC9]

Ob4rul3r wrote...

It is very obvious that the decision to not publish the game on Steam is basically EAs fault, thinking giving Valve a ~30% share for the DLCs that would have to be sold through Steam as well would be too much of lost money ....

Weird... on those same facts I'd call this Valve's fault, for wanting to shake EA down for that 30%. That's a huge profit margin over their bandwidth and server costs.

[LittleDiegito]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

For the same reason that Skyrim requires Steam. It's stupid, but it's not soley Origin on this point.

I dont have Skyrim so I didnt know that. Thanks for that info. The only game I have that requires anything like this is Fallout: New Vegas, and I was so annoyed about the disk I had just bought being nothing more than a Steam install disk that I never got around to playing it (an I love the Fallout games, all of them, including 3). They still got my money because I wasnt informed beforehand.

But still, why? Whats the point? What does having something Im not using taking up space on PC add to my game experience? How is my game better for it?

[United_Strafes]

Drimberly wrote...

Just heard about it not being avalible on steam
My first reaction ''Oh Bioware....''
Yeah. I will maybe go with they guy two posts up. Ob4rul4r

Ya just heard about that too, 4 months ago.

[Adugan]

photographerleia wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

Just so it doesn't get lost I will quote this, because this is the crux of the matter.

Let us keep quoting this until someone answers.

[count_4]

Sylvianus wrote...

Also, get ready to never buy any bioware games. If the 6 March , Mass Effect is with origin, DA3 will be with Origin.

That's what I'm afraid of. If this goes through, EA will probably never release a AAA title on Steam (and without Origin) again...

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Most are neutral actually if you bother to read the comments. Neutral as in will still buy, has no issue with Origin or do not see why people are moaning to such extent.

I have read the comments and it seems you were cherry pickinging ones that only seemed to support your stance.  So, no.  From here on, I refuse to speak with apologists.

Good day, sir.

[Rudy Lis]

Sylvianus wrote...

At this level, it would be stupid to waste an opportunity to finish the series, if you can buy the game on another platform and you aren't that much bothered. After, you are free to never buy any EA game again, as well.

Isn't that a little bit expensive to buy new console for just one game for it, especially if you cannot normally play with gamepad?
P.S. I'm not opposing Origin. I only hope they'll fix its offline mode and improve stability.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:31 .

[AlanC9]

photographerleia wrote...

LittleDiegito wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

Just so it doesn't get lost I will quote this, because this is the crux of the matter.

Indeed. 

Blame the people who swallowed Steam when that came out. If Steam had bombed we wouldn't have Origin. But it didn't, and here we are.

(I'm one of them. If I wanted to play HL2 I had to use Steam. So I did.)

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I'll put in a clear way, no change will happen. It is easy for EA to change wording in their EULA but they will not stop pushing their ideal for future being based on their own DD service. They own Bioware and they own ME3 by proxy. They are breaking no laws with their current DD service which is the same service as Steam and their EULA has now been reworded to comply with the laws in Germany where was a conflict. They have stated that this "WILL" not change and ME3 "WILL" come with Origin. There is by no means anywhere near enough people up set over this to impact EA directly. There is no outrage articles by mainstream media over ME3 being bundled with EA's version of Steam aka Origin and the loss in some sales from a small section of possible ME3 buyers is nothing but a drop in the ocean compared to the millions ME3 will sell and the truly insane amount of income EA makes from other sources.

http://www.joystiq.c...equires-origin/
http://www.shacknews...ilable-on-steam
http://kotaku.com/58...launch-on-steam
http://www.destructo...-3-219711.phtml
http://www.1up.com/n...requires-origin

I'm sorry, what?  And those are just the ones I could find in my RSS feed.  And you know what the primary response has been?  Surprise, surprise!  Negative!

Limiting your customers'  choices is *not* how you go about garnering customer good will.

Most are neutral actually if you bother to read the comments. Neutral as in will still buy, has no issue with Origin or do not see why people are moaning to such extent.

^Fail troll still at it.

Come back when you produce histograms of their responses (accounting for frequency), complete with error analysis.

Pulling evidence out of your ass only amuses me by implying you read every comment and understood them enough to formulate their opinion on the matter.

TOO EASY!

[Ultai]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ultai wrote...

I only here this coming from EA.  Seems the hundred of developers/publishers using steam don't have this issue at all.  Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Microsoft and Sony take out a cut on the dlc on xbox live and psn?  No problem with that I guess, but you have to play ball with them unlike this attempt  to get into the digital distribution marketplace with Origin. I'm not exactly faulting EA here, I mean they're a company that bows to the will of the almighty dollar like any other, in rather whorish ways.

The hundreds of other dev/pubs don't want to set up their own contribution to the consolization of the PC digital distribution platform.

We can only hope that the amount of digital distribution clients out there stays to a minimum.

[abaris]

Sylvianus wrote...

Also, get ready to never buy any bioware games. If the 6 March , Mass Effect is with origin, DA3 will be with Origin.

So?

They rode the streamlining express with the last Dragon Age. I'm not holding my breath for a better DAIII.

It's not as if my life depended on playing these games. Playing games isn't worth the nuissance of being abused as a marketing tool - in addition of paying a substantial amount of money.

[Alpha Bootis]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

This is from the Origin Faq regarding Privacy and Security in regards to Origin:

Privacy and Security   (found at:  www.origin.com/faq)

Can I control my privacy?

Yes, Origin has robust privacy features which can be accessed from the 'Privacy' tab, within Origin's 'Settings.'We take the privacy of our users’ information and protection of that data very seriously. EA’s Privacy Policy can be found at http://tos.ea.com/le...IVACY/US/en/PC/. You should also review the Origin End User Licensing Agreement, which is located here: http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas.

Why does Origin run while my game (i.e. Battlefield 3) is running?
There are a number of benefits to Origin, all designed to add value to the gaming experience for players. Origin authentication will provide gamers with consistent installation and the latest game updates, and also allows players to install games on as many PCs as they want. Beyond the fast download, automatic log-in, and built-in customer service, the in-game overlay and chat with friends features make for a more lively social experience, and cloud storage lets gamers save and continue games from any computer, anywhere, anytime. Altogether, the services provided by Origin make for a more dynamic and convenient play experience for the gamer, and also provides EA with a direct connection to the consumer to deliver the very best service and gaming content.

Is it true that when servers are down some people won’t be able to access any game modes?
This is not true. Players that do not have internet access can still play the single-player aspects of their games.

Origin is not spyware, is it?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on users' machines. In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames of every file in a directory and can have the appearance of a scan. This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process – Origin is not scanning the directory, no information is accessed, collected, stored or shared by Origin during this process. However, we are aware that this process has created some customer confusion, and are updating our software in future releases to eliminate unnecessary operations. Consumer privacy is very important to EA and we take every precaution to protect our users’ data.

Does Origin access, collect or store information from my system?
Origin collects a limited amount of information needed to provide players with a service that allows them to purchase, download, access and play games and game content, connect online with other gamers and directly provide content and software updates. The information is also used to identify and fix software bugs as they arise. No information such as pictures, documents or other personal data unrelated to the application’s performance on a player’s system is accessed or collected. The collection and use of information by Origin helps ensure that consumers are able to access their games as easily as possible and are able to enjoy the best service and experience from EA.

Is my information secure with Origin/EA?
Yes – consumer privacy is very important to EA and we take every precaution to protect personal and anonymous user data. EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone. We do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is compelled by law.

So, what am I supposed to believe? The Faq? The EULA's? Will either of them change at any given time? It DOES look rather harmless IF IT IS TRUE. Or is it E.A. that could be the ones wanting all the data (even though Origin says it doesn't data mine)?

Thier Privacy Policy does not leave me a warm and fuzzy feeling though (tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/#section3).

Joseph

As long as they have a dodgy EULA/Privacy Policy they can FAQ that they invented a substitute for god, it would not matter. Whats in a FAQ matters to no Judge in a court room. What you have signed however does.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[Mister Mida]

LittleDiegito wrote...

But still, why? Whats the point? What does having something Im not using taking up space on PC add to my game experience? How is my game better for it?

It's cool to be social. Accept it. Embrace it. /sarcasm

[Aargh12]

Lol, EA does everything to promote Origin. N7 Warfare Gear in Poland will be available only on Origin and not on the biggest retail stores. Nice move EA, nice move.

[Sylvianus]

abaris wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...


So just don't buy the game, and that's it ?

That's the only thing I can do.

I haven't got a console and never was tempted to get one. But even if I had one, why should I protest this business decision which is an invasion of my privacy and still give them money?

The only logical decision is to close my wallet. That's the only language the market understands.

Well, I agree. If you don't like playing on console, or if  you have only a PC, that's totally understandable, and I approve.

But for those who have also an xbox and could play on it, They hurt only themself, by not buying mass effect in my opinion. That isn't only one game, ( without Origin ) that will hurt their principle if they buy it. Origin isn't on their computer and after they could totally stop buying EA games.

Mass effect is important for us, but for EA ? Mass effect is a business among other business. Like I said, It could take a long time, before they perceive real effects.

[Dragoonlordz]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

^Fail troll still at it.

Come back when you produce histograms of their responses (accounting for frequency), complete with error analysis.

Pulling evidence out of your ass only amuses me by implying you read every comment and understood them enough to formulate their opinion on the matter.

TOO EASY!

Wow still acting like a child with name calling are you. I did read most comments and that is enough to get an opinion on it. I find it amusing that you wish to keep targetting myself and assume your name calling makes your points more valid. I guess you did not learn last time I put you in your place. If you keep up the following me around with nothing more than screaming troll while at same time putting forward no evidence of your own you shall be reported. I suggest you grow up and fast.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[Mister Mida]

AlanC9 wrote...

Blame the people who swallowed Steam when that came out. If Steam had bombed we wouldn't have Origin. But it didn't, and here we are.

(I'm one of them. If I wanted to play HL2 I had to use Steam. So I did.)

Jep. Welcome to the beginning of the consolization of the PC.

[slimgrin]

Ultai wrote...

We can only hope that the amount of digital distribution clients out there stays to a minimum.

In your dreams. It's gonna grow, and this is why I'm against this business model. More publishers will continue to adopt it.

Keep your crap off my PC, I'm not paying to have you advertise on my Desktop. That goes for Steam or anyone else.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:36 .

[photographerleia]

count_4 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Also, get ready to never buy any bioware games. If the 6 March , Mass Effect is with origin, DA3 will be with Origin.

That's what I'm afraid of. If this goes through, EA will probably never release a AAA title on Steam (and without Origin) again...

Or without Origin on retail, so unless they change their tune I have all but washed my hands of them.  After all the hours and love I have devoted to Bioware games, I honestly never thought I would see this day.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ahglock wrote...

ttchip wrote...


those aren't considered 'mainstream', are they? hell,  here in germany we had whole sections of our news on TV devoted to how the previous version of the EULA mutilated our personal rights.

They are main stream gaming news, which is to say they aren't news sites at all and have nothing to do with journalism  or being main stream.  Just main stream for the hobby of gaming.  

Au contraire! Those he linked are indeed gaming related sites. BUT in the EU, especially in Germany, Austria and as far as I remember also the german speaking part of Switzerland had it covered on their national evening tv news. That plus well regarded news magazines like "Der Spiegel" just to name one and many many many others and the story did not go away after one day. I assume the reason for that was, that a good number of people seems to care about their privacy over there. I wish we all would care a little more about it .

So if you were trying to point out that it lacked media coverage in a large number of countries - yes, then you are right, but that no professional journalism covered it - nope, not true.

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:39 .