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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Still waiting to here on the single player operation, whether independent of the client after registry or dependent (requires offline mode Origin)...

It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.
It needs Origin on constantly.

Where did it say this? It would really suck if that were the case, if only for MP, it wouldn't bother me since I would have no intention to play MP.

[ttchip]

photographerleia wrote...
Or without Origin on retail, so unless they change their tune I have all but washed my hands of them.  After all the hours and love I have devoted to Bioware games, I honestly never thought I would see this day.

i'd hardly call it unforeseeable given the astronomic rise of steam.

Modifié par ttchip, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:38 .

[Ahglock]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ob4rul3r wrote...

It is very obvious that the decision to not publish the game on Steam is basically EAs fault, thinking giving Valve a ~30% share for the DLCs that would have to be sold through Steam as well would be too much of lost money ....

Weird... on those same facts I'd call this Valve's fault, for wanting to shake EA down for that 30%. That's a huge profit margin over their bandwidth and server costs.

Actually it is virtually nothing since it also includes advertising.  If ME3 is only on origin and I do a 180 and pick it up unless I am currently playing the gam ewhen the DLC comes out I wont see it.   But on my steam account which I will frequent for all my game si'll see nice little adds letting me know about the DLC, if I go to the ME page there will be ME news without me haiving to click into it and play it etc.

 I don't think there is an ethical right or wrong here, but I do thnk EA is making a bad business decision.  They would flat out make more money on steam due to increased sales more than covering the 30% cut.  Then when Steam puts in on a christmas sale or something sales will really jump.  Steam actually did a study on game sales and compaines pull in more money from a 75% off sale in many cases since the sales spike so high. 

[count_4]

Mister Mida wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Blame the people who swallowed Steam when that came out. If Steam had bombed we wouldn't have Origin. But it didn't, and here we are.

(I'm one of them. If I wanted to play HL2 I had to use Steam. So I did.)

Jep. Welcome to the beginning of the consolization of the PC.

Wait, what? Valve initiated the consolization now? I must've missed something....

[photographerleia]

ttchip wrote...

photographerleia wrote...
Or without Origin on retail, so unless they change their tune I have all but washed my hands of them.  After all the hours and love I have devoted to Bioware games, I honestly never thought I would see this day.

i'd hardly call it unforeseeable given the astronomic rise of steam.

True, let me rephrase that.  I honestly hoped/prayed I would never see this day.

Modifié par photographerleia, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:39 .

[abaris]

Sylvianus wrote...

But for those who have also an xbox and could play on it, They hurt only themself, by not buying mass effect in my opinion. That isn't only one game, ( without Origin ) that will hurt their principle if they buy it. Origin isn't on their computer and after they could totally stop buying EA games.

You don't get it.

You have to install and use Origin to play ME3. Meaning, you have to agree to their EULA, meaning they're collecting certain data about you, meaning, you enter their database and your data helps building a marketing profile about you.

That is a big fat no go for me. Noone collects data about me if I can help it. No clients for me, no toolbars for me, no apps for me, no itunes for me.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

^Fail troll still at it.

Come back when you produce histograms of their responses (accounting for frequency), complete with error analysis.

Pulling evidence out of your ass only amuses me by implying you read every comment and understood them enough to formulate their opinion on the matter.

TOO EASY!

Wow still acting like a child with name calling are you. I did read most comments and that is enough to get an opinion on it. I find it amusing that you wish to keep targetting myself and assume your name calling makes your points more valid. I guess you did not learn last time I put you in your place.

So angry, I'm only calling you what you are. Your post record is proof of that, or do I need to copy paste last time I "owned you". Also if we are to accept that you read all the posts on those threads and came out with fact, I'm going to say I spoke to everyone in the world and they agreed for the most part you are an uneducated moron with no concept of statistics (now I insulted you, and its 100% valid if we subscribe to your notion of statistics). 

Once again, TOO EASY.

[Ahglock]

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

ttchip wrote...


those aren't considered 'mainstream', are they? hell,  here in germany we had whole sections of our news on TV devoted to how the previous version of the EULA mutilated our personal rights.

They are main stream gaming news, which is to say they aren't news sites at all and have nothing to do with journalism  or being main stream.  Just main stream for the hobby of gaming.  

Au contraire! Those he linked are indeed gaming related sites. BUT in the EU, especially in Germany, Austria and as far as I remember also the german speaking part of Switzerland had it covered on their national evening tv news. That plus well regarded news magazines like "Der Spiegel" just to name one and many many many others and the story did not go away after one day. I assume the reason for that was, that a good number of people seems to care about their privacy over there. I wish we all would care a little more about it .

So if you were trying to point out that it lacked media coverage in a large number of countries - yes, then you are right, but that no professional journalism covered it - nope, not true.

I was answering his question about the linked sites, not about who covered the story world wide.  

[MaaZeus]

SimJoseph7 wrote...

This is from the Origin Faq regarding Privacy and Security in regards to Origin:
*snip*
So, what am I supposed to believe? The Faq? The EULA's? Will either of them change at any given time? It DOES look rather harmless IF IT IS TRUE. Or is it E.A. that could be the ones wanting all the data (even though Origin says it doesn't data mine)?

Thier Privacy Policy does not leave me a warm and fuzzy feeling though (tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/#section3).

Joseph

EA, if Origin is not spyware then fix the damn EULA already! Because of Origins spotty past you have been branded as Spyware, and brands are hard to remove as you may know. And as long as that obvious "right for datamining" part of EULA stands, despite what the program actually does at the moment, you just keep on having hard time to convince people.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:43 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Pupuppu wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I'm quite familiar on how Omniture operates and what companies usually send over, but I'm not familiar with Digitalriver, not have any of my collegues brought it up to me.

I'm fine with Digitalriver, they are imho a well respected payment processor. It's even written in small letters in the Origin client store front in the lower parts iirc.

From what I've done with Omniture in the past and others I know, mostly we get numbers representing number of users, broken down in users in certain areas by connection, connection times, operating systems...it allows us to know where our client base is focused at and knowing the operating systems help us in knowing when to make minor or major product upgrades. 

Also, many in this industry will, especially at first, outsource servers for broad programs that will have to handle a great amount of connections upon its induction.  Amazon is actually quite a popular provider of servers if you have the cash.  Once enough profit can be made, these companies will usually move on to their own servers to operate their systems.

So what I have seen with that data, the new EULA, my own tests, and knowledge of similar systems, Origin isn't a concern as far as your security in the present, no more than Steam, Amazon, or other digital distributers.

However (there is always a rub=]), I do not support DRMs as they have been proven to be ineffective and are more dentrimental to the consumer than those who are commiting the crimes.  In fact, DRMs are doing nothing more than escalating the situation.  If that were not the case, the federal government in the U.S. would not be considering legislation such as SOPA to handle what is really a market issue.

Also, EULAs can change.  That is why you must always read before you accept anything.  With EA saying Origin is not spyware and never will be, then Origin cannot be.  Even if they change the EULA, which they have the right to do, they can face legal charges for voiding the former agreement and breaching consumer trust and security.  That is if, and only if, that person (or people) don't sign the new EULA that would change that.  

My suggestion?  Origin is fairly safe to use in both a technical and legal standpoint, so feel free to download and use the service if you wish to.  However, please do be aware of what you sign, and in this day and age of tech rebellions and warfare, you should not keep credit information on any program, whether it be Origin, Steam, Amazon, or the BioWare store.  If you are against DRMs and are against games requiring them to be run, then don't do either Origin or Steam, or any game that requires them.  Choosing Steam or Origin, and not the other, is still supporting the idea of shackling products.

[anzolino]

ELECTRONIC ARTS SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR ORIGIN APPLICATION AND RELATED SERVICES FORMERLY CALLED "THE EA DOWNLOAD MANAGER")
This End User License Agreement ("License") is an agreement between you and Electronic Arts Inc, its subsidiaries and affiliates ("EA"). This License governs your use of this application and all related software, documentation, and updates and upgrades that replace or supplement the application and are not distributed with a separate license (together, the "Application").
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5. System Interaction. The following processes may be associated with the Application: Origin.exe, EACoreServer.exe, OriginClientService.exe. The Application requires machine resources in order to perform.

software | software usage is not Origin or the game.
Stop spreading misinformation.

[Adugan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
It needs Origin on constantly.

Where did it say this? It would really suck if that were the case, if only for MP, it wouldn't bother me since I would have no intention to play MP.

Never said this. But it follows natural thought, and you're not going to get an official answer anytime soon.

Actually, you only need Origin to install ME3, play MP, patch and probably install DLCs. Other than that, it MUST be on your machine but does not have to be running. 

[BaronIveagh]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Unless made illegal, which we can all hope for soon in the light of recent origin related events.

Frankly, in this context, not being allowed to say the 'P' word here is absurd, since forcing Origin on people will have a very OBVIOUS reprecussion, even among people who bought it. 


Let me put it this way, Chris: if EA's position is that ME3 is going to Require Origin, even if I bought a hard copy at a brick and mortar, and it won't change...

Then my policy is to not buy it.  I almost dropped my pre-order of SW:TOR until I found out my copy would be 'Origin Free' and I will drop my ME3:CE pre-order if this does not change.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
It needs Origin on constantly.

Where did it say this? It would really suck if that were the case, if only for MP, it wouldn't bother me since I would have no intention to play MP.

Never said this. But it follows natural thought, and you're not going to get an official answer anytime soon.

Probably not, but I asked him directly, as well as another user (who apparently may have gotten an answer, or is just saying they did).

This is really the last question I need to know, because having a 1 time activation with origin then ability to run with Origin uninstalled would actually put the client up greatly in my books, but you are probably right, since I've heard no official response as of yet.

[Parahexavoctal]

LittleDiegito wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.

Why? Why is Origin required for a physical retail single player game to be played offline? I dont need or want Origin. I dont care if it has an offline mode, its still taking up room on my PC being useless. What is wrong with the authentication process with DA:O or ME2?

Will DLC require Origin too or with the installers still be available through your own website?

I'd heartily second this question.. but part of me realizes I only ask this to express my frustration with the path chosen. I'm not sure there is a compelling answer that would actually change the fact that Origin is a deal breaker for me or just get me to respect the decision that even physical hardcopies must use Origin. I have a difficult time finding words to express my disappointment.

[Dragoonlordz]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

^Fail troll still at it.

Come back when you produce histograms of their responses (accounting for frequency), complete with error analysis.

Pulling evidence out of your ass only amuses me by implying you read every comment and understood them enough to formulate their opinion on the matter.

TOO EASY!

Wow still acting like a child with name calling are you. I did read most comments and that is enough to get an opinion on it. I find it amusing that you wish to keep targetting myself and assume your name calling makes your points more valid. I guess you did not learn last time I put you in your place.

So angry, I'm only calling you what you are. Your post record is proof of that, or do I need to copy paste last time I "owned you". Also if we are to accept that you read all the posts on those threads and came out with fact, I'm going to say I spoke to everyone in the world and they agreed for the most part you are an uneducated moron with no concept of statistics (now I insulted you, and its 100% valid if we subscribe to your notion of statistics). 

Once again, TOO EASY.

I gave you a warning to start acting like an adult and be mature instead of throwing around names and being abusive in your replies, you did not listen therefore you have been reported. If you cannot speak to people in a civil manner even if hold a different opinion then do not be surprised by results of your actions.

[Rockworm503]

Chris Priestly wrote...

[*]Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.[*]

Thank you you just sealed the nail in the coffin for me.

[Adugan]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Adugan wrote...
Actually, you only need Origin to install ME3, play MP, patch and probably install DLCs. Other than that, it MUST be on your machine but does not have to be running. 

I'd imagine it works like Steam, in which it DOES have to be running.

I think Chris said that it doesnt have to be running to play SP. For everything else, it will require it running. I bet thats why MP was added to ME3, so that Origin can run.

[swenson]

Well, this is not exactly pleasing news to me, but thank you very much for finding this out for us and posting it. I was actually expecting to have to wait another month or so before we'd get answers.

Welp, looks like I'm going to have to take a nice hard, long look at exactly what I want, how I want it, and how much I'm willing to compromise. I know there's always the option of buying the game and then playing a crack to avoid Origin, but I'm not sure at this point. I need to take a closer look at Origin's apparent issues. Besides, a legit crack probably won't be available release day.

Anyway, again, thank you very much.

[Dragoonlordz]

anzolino wrote...

software | software usage is not Origin or the game.
Stop spreading misinformation.

Origin.exe, EACoreServer.exe, OriginClientService.exe is the Client.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 10:50 .

[Burori]

Here is my main concern regarding this.

I preordered a retail copy for the express purpose of not buying this game on Origin. I CHOSE not to use Origin. I don't want it, I don't need it.

I have Steam. Have had it for many, many years. I have nothing to gain from Origin. I do not want to install Origin.

So please explain to me WHY you need to install Origin when buying a retail copy. I will have a CD KEY to authenticate its authenticity, WHY again do I need Origin?

This is just a horrible method on how to introduce your Origin software.

I preordered the Collectors edition of ME3 on PC. I am a huge fan of the series, due to this news I am extremely disappointed and upset at EA for this. Unless I am given an option to not install Origin upon installing ME3 I am afraid I will be cancelling my preorder. This was an entirely poor choice on EA's part.

[anzolino]

Adugan wrote...
Actually, you only need Origin to install ME3, play MP, patch and probably install DLCs. Other than that, it MUST be on your machine but does not have to be running.

I thought you could uninstall it after activation?