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[TheJiveDJ]

slimgrin wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

@DRUNK_CANADIAN

........you angry bro?

Quit posting if this is all you have to offer.

Dont presume to know what I have to offer unless you've read through this entire topic.  Arrogant much?  Drunk Canadian is being an obnoxious ****** and he keeps picking on Dragoonlordz for no apparent reason.  Someone has to stand up for the guy.

[Siegdrifa]

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

If i add a Xbox 360, i would also switch in order to play ME3 without origin forced collecting data, i would even rebuy ME1 and ME2 in order to keep going with the characters i made. sadly since i have only a pc, i'm not sure my shepards will go beyond the collector base ... crossing my fingers for a pc plateforme solution*

[shepskisaac]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

From what I can gather from the data supplied, pre-orders rose on the PC by another 589 instead of decreased however it did drop in speed of "new" pre-orders compard to the previous week. That is all. It shows some people might have had second thoughts for that week whether pre-order or not and decided not too. This however is still an increase in pre-orders not large decrease.

Yes, that's the point. While X360 & PS3 preorders continue to increase week-to-week, PC increase was minimal compared to how much it gained last week.

[MaaZeus]

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

This is actually bad news. You, wait, we'll hear the same kind of tripe from EA that we heard from Ubisoft regarding the evils of PC gaming. This is what will encourage them to go console only.

That would be rather facepalm worthy from EA because ME1 and 2 sold well on PC so there would be no reason for them to believe why ME3 wouldnt sell unless they screwed up somewhere.

But then again that is the little idealist in me talking, common sense rarely applies in corporate world as U-be-soft has shown us.

[apixaez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

apixaez wrote...
And that's where you're wrong ..

They might not have power in how ME3 will be distributed, but that says nothing about the future, which I hope will not include EA

Where do you get the idea that BW is in charge of their fate? They're a subsidiary of EA.

There's enough developers that parted ways with the likes of EA and started anew, usually under a different name.. Which wouldn't matter to me as long as they offer the same quality games they did before. Don't be so obnoxious.

[Dragoonlordz]

TheJiveDJ wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

@DRUNK_CANADIAN

........you angry bro?

Quit posting if this is all you have to offer.

Dont presume to know what I have to offer unless you've read through this entire topic.  Arrogant much?  Drunk Canadian is being an obnoxious ****** and he keeps picking on Dragoonlordz for no apparent reason.  Someone has to stand up for the guy.

It's ok I can handle him but thank you. 

[Alpha Bootis]

Sylvianus wrote...

What I read : PC - 3,102 - PC - 589

the difference is very minimal. Compared to that kind of number.

55,958 - 78,888

Thousands of fans lost, that's nothing compared to million unit sold. That is the only goal of EA.

Now I hope there won't be Origin, but I don't see how what you showed is impressive, for someone who works in a company.

On the contrary, that means that PC sales are very small.

Validity of this sites numnbers need verifying. I can't imagine the difference beeing this big between XboX and Playstation. Still, if the 81 per cent drop is true for the PC i'd like that as a big fat finger in the general direction of Origin. If they indent to make pc profitable they better kick origin the **** out.

[Sundance31us]

Emoking wrote...
A better example is Battlefield 3, you know.

That requires Origin to be running in the background. In, fact, if you try to start it from the exe, it starts Origin, and then feeds you into Battlelog.

And, yes, that applies to the singleplayer campaign as well as the multiplayer.

I bought FONV Collector's Edition from Gamestop, but could not load it onto my computer unless I first loaded Steam and created an account. In addition I cannot run FONV unless Steam is also running even though the game does not have a multiplayer element to it. Any attempt to close Steam or disconnect my computer from the internet while the game is active causes the game to immediately close.

[anzolino]

What I read : PC - 3,102 - PC - 589

the difference is very minimal. Compared to that kind of number.

55,958 - 78,888

Thousands of fans lost, that's nothing compared to million unit sold. That is the only goal of EA.

Now I hope there won't be Origins, but I don't see how what you showed is impressive, for someone who works in a company.

On the contrary, that means that PC sales are very small.

But it proves what many users have said here: pre-order canceled and those who claimed the cancels were faked... are wrong. The users meant it and did it. That's good.

So now we can think about one background of this: Have EA something more in mind with Origin?Push the console market?

[TheRealJayDee]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Again, why is this not stickied? I mean, it's probably one of the most important things that needs to be stickied.

Absolutely. I was just about to make another "sticky this already" post myself. One could think that they still hope this topic will quietly go away, which I would call craven and completely out of touch with reality. Besides, this is not something like the controversial optional multiplayer, this is about requirements to play the game at all. Not stickying this is just wrong.  

[Dragoonlordz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

From what I can gather from the data supplied, pre-orders rose on the PC by another 589 instead of decreased however it did drop in speed of "new" pre-orders compard to the previous week. That is all. It shows some people might have had second thoughts for that week whether pre-order or not and decided not too. This however is still an increase in pre-orders not large decrease.

Yes, that's the point. While X360 & PS3 preorders continue to increase week-to-week, PC increase was minimal compared to how much it gained last week.

The most curious set of number I think will be this week. Unfortuantly I do think that the decrease in uptake is currently so small that I believe EA will not be upset by that and consider such small difference in speed of gain to be even in the ball park of cancelling their long term goals of pushing Origin. That was what I was trying to get at in the last post. I am very interested to see the end of this weeks numbers though just in general.

[Ahglock]

MaaZeus wrote...



True. Though take a note that those numbers are just increase of preorders. Total number is 73,548. Not something to snort at, although still small compared to Xbox's 536,262. Plus I'd like to believe there has been a reason why ME3 PC preorders havent been that hot, and I think the reason is what this thread is about right now...

ME2s total PC sales was like 200,000-300,000.  Yeah they would rather have that money than not, but it is patheic in comparison.   Skyrim is over 1.4 million pc copies and that does not include the direct downloads from steam.  The xbox did about 3 times better for them still.  For ME the PC does less than 1/10th the sales of the xbox.

 I am not sure why the PC market is so different, maybe the PC elite think skyrim is a more pure RPG and RPGs are for the elite smart people or something, or the simple detail that ME1 came out for XBOX alone and was eventually ported to the PC market thereby perma killing its sales in that departmnet.  

But the PC gamer loss for this game is tiny so it is a good place to use as a trial balloon of origin.  It is big enough to be statistically signifigant sample, but not big enough to really hurt their sales overall.  

[shepskisaac]

It's a 81% drop in weekly pre-orders increase, don't forget about it guys. It's not about EA losing 81% of all PC pe-orders for ME3

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

lmao

Glorious.

Maybe they will rethink Origin if it's enough of a hit.

@Issac: I know.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:43 .

[DiebytheSword]

MaaZeus wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

This is actually bad news. You, wait, we'll hear the same kind of tripe from EA that we heard from Ubisoft regarding the evils of PC gaming. This is what will encourage them to go console only.

That would be rather facepalm worthy from EA because ME1 and 2 sold well on PC so there would be no reason for them to believe why ME3 wouldnt sell unless they screwed up somewhere.

But then again that is the little idealist in me talking, common sense rarely applies in corporate world as U-be-soft has shown us.

They performed the cardinal sin of PC publishing, telling a gaming group that they couldn't do x with their game.

That's always the kiss of death, even if x includes installing without origin or if x means not getting it on steam.

[EternalPink]

I've been struggling to think of any other product that i purchase that has as many strings attached as it seems ME3 does, sadly i can't

If my local super market that i visit every single week to do my weekly shop stopped doing my regular brand of cereal i would not visit another shop just for that brand of cereal nor would i change the super market that i regularly go to since i'm quite happy with them i'd just choose a different brand of cereal.

Same principle applies to my gaming purchases so since your dictating how i purchase and use your product i'm going to make that choice that every consumer has, i'm going to go elsewhere

Thank you for Balders Gate 1&2, ME 1 & 2 and Dragon age Origins, if at some point in the future you decide to stop dictating to consumers how they can purchase your product please feel free to e-mail me, you've got my e-mail address obviously from my account on here.

[apixaez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

apixaez wrote...

There's enough developers that parted ways with the likes of EA and started anew, usually under a different name.. Which wouldn't matter to me as long as they offer the same quality games they did before. Don't be so obnoxious.

It's been, what, four or five years since EA has owned them? There's no reason to think that BW would back out that quickly.

Past events (or years in this matter) are never a guarantee for the future.

Imagine ME3 turning out to be like DA2 .. name will be hurt again, sales will drop, people get reluctant for future products, EA loses patience with Bioware and pushes for more games which results in more rushed games, hurting the name more.

EA finally loses it's patience with Bioware, disbands the studio and scatters it across EA itself or Bioware employees leave to create a new studio.

Or, the more unlikely scenerio, Bioware finally accepts what people are saying and parts ways on their own accord, whether that will be under the Bioware name or a different name.

Time will tell.

Modifié par apixaez, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[Complistic]

slimgrin wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

This is actually bad news. You wait, we'll hear the same kind of tripe from EA that we heard from Ubisoft regarding the evils of PC gaming. This is what will encourage them to go console only.

As this is my last bioware game this really doesn't concern me. 

Modifié par Complistic, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

 MORE QUESTIONS HERE:


i have to say i have nothing against origin as a new gameclient, but i have problems with it's implemantation of data collecting.

is it true that ORIGIN only collects data from this folder Chris :
ProgramData/Origin folder ?
by that what is  meant: Origin folder contained in program data or actually both folders?


i would like to know also what other windows folder are analyzed, in the case that origin doesn't stop at the folder containing EA games and only the driver of MY HARDWARE.


is it possible to check the data that is beeing sent out to EA(waht kind of data etc..)?
can we OPT OUT from more intrusive data collecting?


i hope you can answer these questions, as the answers will play a big part in my purchase of ME3 and actually of any future Bioware game.

thanks.

[Stanley Woo]

The last few pages have been a discussion of the pros and cons of the console vs. PC gaming industry, arguing about arguing, and other off-topic posts. If you wish to keep this thread open so you can discuss your opinions about Origin and ME3, please let's keep this discussion on-topic.

[Dragoonlordz]

Alpha Bootis wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

What I read : PC - 3,102 - PC - 589

the difference is very minimal. Compared to that kind of number.

55,958 - 78,888

Thousands of fans lost, that's nothing compared to million unit sold. That is the only goal of EA.

Now I hope there won't be Origin, but I don't see how what you showed is impressive, for someone who works in a company.

On the contrary, that means that PC sales are very small.

Validity of this sites numnbers need verifying. I can't imagine the difference beeing this big between XboX and Playstation. Still, if the 81 per cent drop is true for the PC i'd like that as a big fat finger in the general direction of Origin. If they indent to make pc profitable they better kick origin the **** out.

You also have to remember VGC only tracks retail copies and not digital so I believe the same would be regarding pre-orders (maybe someone VGC traking or pre-orders is just retail or not just like their other statistics are could shed more light on that aspect). Naturally far more people would still pre-order for PC online even when excluding Steam a large amount would use Amazon, GG, D2D and Origin DD services to pre-order their PC copies from. As far as I nkow you cannot pre-order digital copies for 360 and PS3? so those numbers would already be maximum while Pc is missing half the data each and every week.


@Edit # Ok Stanley didn't see your post till finished posting my own.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Rockworm503]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I think by weeks you mean months, but whatever. Seriously, who at Bioware/EA is in charge of this madness? I certainly hope these people carefully deliberated about wether what they gain through Origin will make up for the loss of customer good will and trust. Not likely though.

This just makes sad...

When you think about it and read the ones who are negative about this they never trusted EA to begin with due to past mistakes and they had no goodwill or trust regardless.

Its good to know there's someone out there who can speak for me.
I had no trouble with EA until now.  Stop trying to second guess what people say.

[Pupuppu]

Ahglock wrote...

I am not sure why the PC market is so different, maybe the PC elite think skyrim is a more pure RPG and RPGs are for the elite smart people or something, or the simple detail that ME1 came out for XBOX alone and was eventually ported to the PC market thereby perma killing its sales in that departmnet.  

Skyrim PC popularity comes from the modding community, adding a wealth of mods and almost standalone addons, unfortunatly not available on Xbox or PS3.