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[TheRealJayDee]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The last few pages have been a discussion of the pros and cons of the console vs. PC gaming industry, arguing about arguing, and other off-topic posts. If you wish to keep this thread open so you can discuss your opinions about Origin and ME3, please let's keep this discussion on-topic.

Ah, nice, since you are obviously reading this thread, would you be so kind as to explain to me why this thread isn't stickied?

[Volus Warlord]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

apixaez wrote...

Past events (or years in this matter) are never a guarantee for the future.

Imagine ME3 turning out to be like DA2 .. name will be hurt again, sales will drop, people get reluctant for future products, EA loses patience with Bioware and pushes for more games which results in more rushed games, hurting the name more.

EA finally loses it's patience with Bioware, disbands the studio and scatters it across EA itself or Bioware employees leave to create a new studio.

Or, the more unlikely scenerio, Bioware finally accepts what people are saying and parts ways on their own accord, whether that will be under the Bioware name or a different name.

Time will tell.

Don't get me wrong, i would love for them to part ways, but it shows NO indications of happening.

Parting ways requires $$, and if Bungie is any example, they'd lose the rights to their key franchises in doing so.

[Ahglock]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Not really.  It is dead for ME, but it never was alive for ME.  There are other games where the PC version sells a ton of compies.  Consoles almost always do better overall, but ME is special in how poorly the PC side sells. 

Well, according to VGChartz, ME1 on PC didn't do bad - www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php (and that's just European sales). ME2 seems to have done much worse, but considering how the game was 'consolized', lack of shortcuts, mouse-scroll etc it's not that big of a surprise then. But yeah, games like Skyrim, Witcher 2 don't have problems selling around a million or more on PC alone

You are right ME1 did a bit better it did around 500,000 in pc sales meaning it made up a fifith of the total sales.  The problem is I don't know how much of that 1/5th came at close to full price or in something like a steam sale for $5. ME2, ven if all the PC sales were at full price the sales would still suck hard.

[Dragoonlordz]

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

 MORE QUESTIONS HERE:


i have to say i have nothing against origin as a new gameclient, but i have problems with it's implemantation of data collecting.

is it true that ORIGIN only collects data from this folder Chris :
ProgramData/Origin folder ?
by that what is  meant: Origin folder contained in program data or actually both folders?


i would like to know also what other windows folder are analyzed, in the case that origin doesn't stop at the folder containing EA games and only the driver of MY HARDWARE.


is it possible to check the data that is beeing sent out to EA(waht kind of data etc..)?
can we OPT OUT from more intrusive data collecting?


i hope you can answer these questions, as the answers will play a big part in my purchase of ME3 and actually of any future Bioware game.

thanks.

Yes to first question you are correct we tested this ourselves only the Origin folder and Game itself folder. Second question is it gathers information about hardware from Registry not folders. Third question I don't think we will see anytime soon what is being sent but based on what it is being seen to look at it is fair assumption that what it sends relates only to what scans which is mean't in answer one and two I gave. ME3 has opt out for ME3 data I assume in the game itself which sends different information such as game playing statistics (time played, how many deaths and such). The EA site on your account apparently has an opt out too but for I think just EA site. I do not know the staus of an opt out for Origin client itself.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:56 .

[Rockworm503]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

ravenEA wrote...

Ok, let me ask you (Bioware) a question. Are you really willing to lose customers (and fans) so you can compel the rest of them to install crap software that nobody wants/needs ?

Ask EA, BW has nothing to do with this.

Either BW is hiding behind EA as a shield so all the blame can be on EA or they don't exist then.
Either way its sickening Bioware is a branch of EA at this point.  By saying Bioware or EA there is no difference anymore.

[Rudy Lis]

Sundance31us wrote...

I bought FONV Collector's Edition from Gamestop, but could not load it onto my computer unless I first loaded Steam and created an account. In addition I cannot run FONV unless Steam is also running even though the game does not have a multiplayer element to it. Any attempt to close Steam or disconnect my computer from the internet while the game is active causes the game to immediately close.

Excuse me, I didn't meant to intervene, but Steam works flawlessly in off-line mode, even with Obsidian games. No matter what game you running (single-player element, of course and if you don't care about achievements). My first and only complain about Steam concerned only necessity of updates prior to game start: at the moment I had only dialup (28.8 kbps:D), so downloading patches for Orange box, for example, was really slow and expensive process.

Stanley Woo wrote...

The last few pages have been a discussion of the pros and cons of the console vs. PC gaming industry, arguing about arguing, and other off-topic posts. If you wish to keep this thread open so you can discuss your opinions about Origin and ME3, please let's keep this discussion on-topic.

Ok, mind if I ask you to ask EA support (since I can't contact them in any way) about fixing Origin's off-line mode, improving stability and availability of payment methods?
P.S. Is it just me or ME2 projectiles velocities are much slower than ME1 projectiles velocities? Yeah, I know, complete off-topic, just had feeling that ME2 projectiles fly slower than even modern "very slow" .308/7.62x39 tracers.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:00 .

[Zanallen]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Parting ways requires $$, and if Bungie is any example, they'd lose the rights to their key franchises in doing so.

Yep. ME and DA at least are now owned completely by EA. As is the Bioware name. At best, the employees of Bioware could create a new company and start from scratch, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[apixaez]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The last few pages have been a discussion of the pros and cons of the console vs. PC gaming industry, arguing about arguing, and other off-topic posts. If you wish to keep this thread open so you can discuss your opinions about Origin and ME3, please let's keep this discussion on-topic.

I have a very simple question then: Why?

Why am I being forced a client upon me when there is A) a perfectly working client available in the form of Steam. the legitimacy of the client in question is questionable (reports of forced datamining, the lawsuit in Germany, privacy infringements) and C) needed in the first place as I do not care for an Origin account or stats or whatever Origin is needed for when it only offers EA games and looks like a "fancy" DRM in the first place?

Modifié par apixaez, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

anzolino wrote...

But it proves what many users have said here: pre-order canceled and those who claimed the cancels were faked... are wrong. The users meant it and did it. That's good.

So now we can think about one background of this: Have EA something more in mind with Origin?Push the console market?

The data does not show that. Overall pre-orders 'increased' by almost 600 is what it shows rather than how much it decreased on the initial weeks total so far pre-orders. The data shows a drop in 80% of "new" pre-orders last week on top of the total number of original pre-orders. This again excludes and pre-orders from D2D, GG, Origin and Amazon.

[AlexMBrennan]

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I've been struggling to think of any other product that i purchase that has as many strings attached as it seems ME3 does, sadly i can't

Any other piece of software. Someone mentioned BF3 above (I actually tried returning it on the grounds that multi player was defective, but was - predictably - turned down).

On a more serious note, I already have Origin. I don't care about privacy because I don't expect any on my Windows partition with all that Steam/Origin stuff, plus hundreds of (somewhat dodgy) 3rd party tools for the most basic of tasks.

Realistically, I am sufficiently invested in the Mass Effect series that I'll buy ME3 regardless of the strings attached. So BW wins that one. For the same reason I don't think sales will be hit too heavily because of this Origin business.

So I think it's gonna be the game after ME3 that will be affected, if any. I certainly won't buy BW games blind any more (simple heuristic - I can't be bothered to research newly released games, and I've always enjoyed Bethesda and Bioware games)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 16 janvier 2012 - 11:57 .

[crimzontearz]

wish bioware was bought by MS....at least they treat their developers better according to Epic and Bungie

[Wulfram]

If TOR is a success then Bioware and EA will be joined at the hip for the foreseeable future.

[apixaez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

apixaez wrote...

Past events (or years in this matter) are never a guarantee for the future.

Imagine ME3 turning out to be like DA2 .. name will be hurt again, sales will drop, people get reluctant for future products, EA loses patience with Bioware and pushes for more games which results in more rushed games, hurting the name more.

EA finally loses it's patience with Bioware, disbands the studio and scatters it across EA itself or Bioware employees leave to create a new studio.

Or, the more unlikely scenerio, Bioware finally accepts what people are saying and parts ways on their own accord, whether that will be under the Bioware name or a different name.

Time will tell.

Don't get me wrong, i would love for them to part ways, but it shows NO indications of happening.

I'm sad to say that you are most likely correct, but a man can dream, right?

[DBZMagus]

Epsilon330 wrote...

Am I the only one here who was at first apprehensive of this, but after seeing the facts, and hearing both sides, has accepted the change?
It can't be that bad, surely. We're shooting at a target that can't be killed, and I honestly don't think it's as apocalyptic as everyone's saying.

This'll be the definitive test for your devotion to Bioware and Mass Effect. True fans will shrug it off as an inconvenience, but still buy it for the game itself.


But thinking about it now, is it honestly bad enough that people are going to miss out on the potentially biggest game of the year? I've seen plenty of reports from Origin-users who have had no ill-effects.

What you don't seem to grasp is that not everyone is willing to behave like a sniveling little pillow biter. Some people are actually capable of having convictions and following through on them. I love Mass Effect 1 and 2, and I would have loved to have bought the conclusion, but I don't want Origin on my computer and I'm not willing to give up my personal information just to play it. Most gamers don't have any willpower (See the Modern Warfare Boycott group on Steam where 90% of them bought the game anyway), but hopefully enough will this time to make a difference in some way. I say again, I WILL NOT buy any game that requires Origin. It doesn't have to be on Steam, I'm cool with retail copies. But no Origin for me, thanks.

[X-JIDE]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The last few pages have been a discussion of the pros and cons of the console vs. PC gaming industry, arguing about arguing, and other off-topic posts. If you wish to keep this thread open so you can discuss your opinions about Origin and ME3, please let's keep this discussion on-topic.

I like this Volus, he understands.

Origin has its problems, eula isn’t that great, users having troubles with the program, people comparing it to spyware.
I'll just stick to my problem.
I just don’t want another digital distribution program on my PC. Steam is fine, it works.
Just give us another option that’s all we ask.

[kofelover]

crimzontearz wrote...

wish bioware was bought by MS....at least they treat their developers better according to Epic and Bungie

I will probably getted flamed for this -- but Valve would have been better.   Private company, lots of funding and never in a rush to push a game out the door AND they don't have an RPG element.

[AlexMBrennan]

If TOR is a success

What are the numbers on that?
I'll probably not renew my monthly subscription since I think the game is, when viewed from a slightly detached vantage point - not actually fun (at least until you get to lvl 50). Addictive yes, but more in the Pavlovian way (as I had feared). Besides, I'm not going to pay them a monthly fee while they finish development.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:03 .

[anzolino]

@ kofelover, did you test ME2?

[Mister Mida]

kofelover wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

wish bioware was bought by MS....at least they treat their developers better according to Epic and Bungie

I will probably getted flamed for this -- but Valve would have been better.   Private company, lots of funding and never in a rush to push a game out the door AND they don't have an RPG element.

And Steam(works) garanteed. No, thanks.

[Dragoonlordz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

kofelover wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

wish bioware was bought by MS....at least they treat their developers better according to Epic and Bungie

I will probably getted flamed for this -- but Valve would have been better.   Private company, lots of funding and never in a rush to push a game out the door AND they don't have an RPG element.

I've never even played a Valve game, but I'll make the joke:

If Valve owned BW, we'd never see ME3!

I think people are still waiting for Half Life 3. So probably right.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:04 .

[Ryzaki]

Mister Mida wrote...

kofelover wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

wish bioware was bought by MS....at least they treat their developers better according to Epic and Bungie

I will probably getted flamed for this -- but Valve would have been better.   Private company, lots of funding and never in a rush to push a game out the door AND they don't have an RPG element.

And Steam(works) garanteed. No, thanks.

This.

I don't like Steam forced on me for Bethesda games. Why the hell would I want it plaguing my ME3? 

[Dragoonlordz]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

If TOR is a success

What are the numbers on that?
I'll probably not renew my monthly subscription since I think the game is, when viewed from a slightly detached vantage point - not actually fun (at least until you get to lvl 50). Addictive yes, but more in the Pavlovian way (as I had feared). Besides, I'm not going to pay them a monthly fee while they finish development.

Only figures I have is that it was fastest ever MMO to hit 1 million players. What the current amount of players are I have no clue.

[DTKT]

Actually, Bioware being folded into EA and it's name disappearing is the most likely scenario. EA is actively pushing Bioware as a brand. Attaching the name to franchises that have nothing to do with Bioware past games.

The most recent example is the VGA reveal of the new Command and Conquer game. The Bioware name added nothing and in fact, could actually confuse the market. Bioware has never made an RTS. Why attach it's name to a franchise it has nothing to relate to?

With TOR not being the runaway success they wished for, and no buzz surrounding the game, Bioware Austin is facing significant pressure in order to keep the giant floating.

DAII is just another example of how bad ME3 could end up being.