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[Ryzaki]

MysterD wrote...
Less different DRM types to probably patch-up.

They'll only have ONE DRM [Internet-style DRM]....
As opposed to having TWO different ones [say DVD version has disc-check, while Internet version has Internet DRM].

I'm sure by doing this, this'll save some $, resources, and TIME.

Somehow I doubt it's alot. Especially since the devs already said they'd like to put the game on Steam. Steam which would have a different kind of DRM.

That said. *wipes hands*

I'm done. Not to be spiteful but I hope ME3 on PC tanks because I do not desire to see Origin on DA3.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:45 .

[Mclouvins]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoon we may not see eye to eye on this little affair called Origin....but I work in the custonmer service field and saying that to a customer would resul, in my company, in a write-up. Not even a verbal, a direct write-up.

Maybe so, but there is not much more can say unless just ignores people where people would shout why are you not answering us. I view it as mentioned above EA have said without doubts it will be shipped with the client and that they will not change their mind. So what else can you say to those who refuse the product based on what it will without any doubts come with other than ignore them or tell them thats the reality of what product is on offer and the people with the purse strings are not going to back down so your only left with buy or if unhappy with it do not buy it is your choice.

I also have customer service qualifications and at the end of the day there are some customers who simply cannot be appeased because your company or your owners will not change their stance. At which you have to say I am sorry but I cannot help you, I will have to leave the choice up to you if you wish to purchase our service or product but that if your choice to make.

+1 People on these threads have really put Woo and Evil Chris in a box where they can either say nothing or say what Woo did, and no matter what they say people looking to attack them for it are going to find a way.

[Adugan]

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Well thank you for this enlightened opinion. It is bordering on insulting. If you want to discuss things in a civilized manner, dont tell people to grow up. This forum is for discussions, which is exactly what people are doing. If you cant deal with expressions of opinion, dont visit BSN or any other forum for that matter.

Now you grow up and be done with it insulting posts.

Modifié par Adugan, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:50 .

[Zanallen]

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoon we may not see eye to eye on this little affair called Origin....but I work in the custonmer service field and saying that to a customer would resul, in my company, in a write-up. Not even a verbal, a direct write-up.

Then its a good thing he doesn't work at your company.

But really, what do you want him to say? Or Chris? Or anyone at Bioware? They don't make these decisions. The higher ups at EA corporate do. At best they can relay your concerns to whomever at EA may be listening and bring back whatever answers they are allowed to give you.

Of course, Chris has already said that ME3 is going to require Origin. He has said that this isn't going to change. As such, your choice at this point is to either purchase the game and utilize Origin or don't purchase the game. That is the one choice you have at this junction and, lucky for you, it is the only choice that really matters. If enough people refuse to purchase ME3 and make it clear, through speaking directly with EA and not getting angry at Bioware moderators, that Origin is the reason for the poor sales, then perhaps EA will relent. Or perhaps they won't. Either way, the game developers and the mods on the BSN have nothing to do with the decision.

[Elphaba]

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums or any other reason?

Modifié par Elphaba, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:54 .

[kofelover]

Mclouvins wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoon we may not see eye to eye on this little affair called Origin....but I work in the custonmer service field and saying that to a customer would resul, in my company, in a write-up. Not even a verbal, a direct write-up.

Maybe so, but there is not much more can say unless just ignores people where people would shout why are you not answering us. I view it as mentioned above EA have said without doubts it will be shipped with the client and that they will not change their mind. So what else can you say to those who refuse the product based on what it will without any doubts come with other than ignore them or tell them thats the reality of what product is on offer and the people with the purse strings are not going to back down so your only left with buy or if unhappy with it do not buy it is your choice.

I also have customer service qualifications and at the end of the day there are some customers who simply cannot be appeased because your company or your owners will not change their stance. At which you have to say I am sorry but I cannot help you, I will have to leave the choice up to you if you wish to purchase our service or product but that if your choice to make.

+1 People on these threads have really put Woo and Evil Chris in a box where they can either say nothing or say what Woo did, and no matter what they say people looking to attack them for it are going to find a way.

Do you really believe the Bioware just found out Friday about the Origin requirement?  Wow.  People have been asking the same questions for months with very little information coming back.  What EA/Bioware can do is answer the questions in a straightforward manner in a prompt fashion and there wouldn't be 200 - 300 page threads since we'd have all the information we need to make an educated decision on purchasing or not purchasing.  I still haven't cancelled my pre-order but am leaning that direction.  I'm sure I'm not alone.

[Sylvianus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

It'll be interesting to see whether Origin's announcement will lead to an actual decrease in PC pre-orders, as opposed to just a reduction in the number of pre-orders made. 

Although seeing as almost 80,000 Xbox copies were pre-ordered in one week, only 500 PC pre-orders instead of a few thousand isn't all that significant.

Hell, according to that site the number of Xbox pre-orders last week alone is greater than the total number of PC pre-orders. Its gonna take an awful lot of cancelled PC pre-orders to make any impact whatsoever.

I can not understand the enthusiasm of the people in front of such pathetic numbers for the PC.  instead it gives to think that the impact will be minor in the number of sales. they should stop showing that, for their greater good.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:50 .

[apixaez]

Mclouvins wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Dragoon we may not see eye to eye on this little affair called Origin....but I work in the custonmer service field and saying that to a customer would resul, in my company, in a write-up. Not even a verbal, a direct write-up.

Maybe so, but there is not much more can say unless just ignores people where people would shout why are you not answering us. I view it as mentioned above EA have said without doubts it will be shipped with the client and that they will not change their mind. So what else can you say to those who refuse the product based on what it will without any doubts come with other than ignore them or tell them thats the reality of what product is on offer and the people with the purse strings are not going to back down so your only left with buy or if unhappy with it do not buy it is your choice.

I also have customer service qualifications and at the end of the day there are some customers who simply cannot be appeased because your company or your owners will not change their stance. At which you have to say I am sorry but I cannot help you, I will have to leave the choice up to you if you wish to purchase our service or product but that if your choice to make.

+1 People on these threads have really put Woo and Evil Chris in a box where they can either say nothing or say what Woo did, and no matter what they say people looking to attack them for it are going to find a way.

I have not put anyone in a box and this is my first time even being involved in this discussion .. I stayed away from all the others and if the reponse I get after the first time I voice my concerns is "DONT LIKE IT? DONT BUY IT! GTFO!", it really does not make me any more sympathetic to their cause or stance.

[Candidate 88766]

Adugan wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Well thank you for this enlightened opinion. It is bordering on insults. If you want to discuss things in a civilized manner, dont tell people to grow up. This forum is for discussions, which is exactly what people are doing. If you cant deal with expressions of opinion, dont visit BSN or any other forum for that matter.

Now you grow up and be done with it insulting posts.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:51 .

[DTKT]

Elphaba wrote...

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums?

Yes.

[Adugan]

Yes, yes. I know. Fighting fire with fire.

[shepskisaac]

Elphaba wrote...

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums?

Yep which is one of the main problems

[TheRealJayDee]

Mclouvins wrote...

+1 People on these threads have really put Woo and Evil Chris in a box where they can either say nothing or say what Woo did, and no matter what they say people looking to attack them for it are going to find a way.

Right now the fact that they won't sticky this damn thread is making me angry, and they should be able to do something about that without having to ask their superiors at EA for a few months.

[Yuoaman]

Sylvianus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 (+41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

It'll be interesting to see whether Origin's announcement will lead to an actual decrease in PC pre-orders, as opposed to just a reduction in the number of pre-orders made. 

Although seeing as almost 80,000 Xbox copies were pre-ordered in one week, only 500 PC pre-orders instead of a few thousand isn't all that significant.

Hell, according to that site the number of Xbox pre-orders last week alone is greater than the total number of PC pre-orders. Its gonna take an awful lot of cancelled PC pre-orders to make any impact whatsoever.

I can not understand the enthusiasm of the people in front of such pathetic numbers for the PC.  instead it gives to think that the impact will be minor in the number of sales. they should stop showing that, for their greater good.

I don't see what's so bad about those numbers? It doesn't take into account digital copies pre-ordered, and in the end it's only about pre-orders and not the actual number of sales.

[Incognito JC]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/KCHbm.gif

:lol:

Thanks for much needed laugh.

[Dragoonlordz]

kofelover wrote...

Do you really believe the Bioware just found out Friday about the Origin requirement?  Wow.  People have been asking the same questions for months with very little information coming back.  What EA/Bioware can do is answer the questions in a straightforward manner in a prompt fashion and there wouldn't be 200 - 300 page threads since we'd have all the information we need to make an educated decision on purchasing or not purchasing.  I still haven't cancelled my pre-order but am leaning that direction.  I'm sure I'm not alone.

It does not matter when they found out, they chose to give you the information Friday. There would have been a 200-300 page thread regardless because they do not have all the answers which is why Chris said he is going to read the concerns after releasing what information they do have now, if released the same information a week or month ago there still would of been a 200-300 page thread over it because he would still need to go find out the extra information after reading those concerns. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[Candidate 88766]

Incognito JC wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/KCHbm.gif

:lol:

Thanks for much needed laugh.

I always like using that one.

Although for some reason it wasn't appearing on my screen so I replaced it with a smilie.

[Mclouvins]

apixaez wrote...


I have not put anyone in a box and this is my first time even being involved in this discussion .. I stayed away from all the others and if the reponse I get after the first time I voice my concerns is "DONT LIKE IT? DONT BUY IT! GTFO!", it really does not make me any more sympathetic to their cause or stance.

I wasn't singling anyone out specifically but some people have hit the point where no matter what Bioware says they are going to find fault, or else criticize them for saying nothing, it becomes a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[kofelover]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Do you really believe the Bioware just found out Friday about the Origin requirement?  Wow.  People have been asking the same questions for months with very little information coming back.  What EA/Bioware can do is answer the questions in a straightforward manner in a prompt fashion and there wouldn't be 200 - 300 page threads since we'd have all the information we need to make an educated decision on purchasing or not purchasing.  I still haven't cancelled my pre-order but am leaning that direction.  I'm sure I'm not alone.

It does not matter when they found out, they chose to give you the information Friday. There would have been a 200-300 page thread regardless because they do not have all the answers which is why Chris said he is going to read the concerns after releasing what information they do have now, if released the information he did have a week or month ago there still would of been a 200-300 page thread over it because he would still need to go find out the extra information after reading those concerns. 

My response was not (obviously) directed to you so I did not read yours.  Next time I'll edit better.

[MaaZeus]

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Complaining on forums may not help, but apathy is sure to help even less. So I'd rather voice my opinion than stay silent, some (if the huge preorder sales drop tells anything) have even voted with their wallets.

But yes, I am quite done, mostly. I can only hope our opinion is heard.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[Adugan]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kofelover wrote...

Do you really believe the Bioware just found out Friday about the Origin requirement?  Wow.  People have been asking the same questions for months with very little information coming back.  What EA/Bioware can do is answer the questions in a straightforward manner in a prompt fashion and there wouldn't be 200 - 300 page threads since we'd have all the information we need to make an educated decision on purchasing or not purchasing.  I still haven't cancelled my pre-order but am leaning that direction.  I'm sure I'm not alone.

It does not matter when they found out, they chose to give you the information Friday. There would have been a 200-300 page thread regardless because they do not have all the answers which is why Chris said he is going to read the concerns after releasing what information they do have now, if released the information he did have a week or month ago there still would of been a 200-300 page thread over it because he would still need to go find out the extra information after reading those concerns. 

Chris will answer probably 3 or 4 questions out of all that mess, and word them as ambiguously as he did on the first page. It will lead to more questions and discussion.

Modifié par Adugan, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:55 .

[Aaleel]

IsaacShep wrote...

Elphaba wrote...

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums?

Yep which is one of the main problems

WOW, now that is a damn shame.  Someone says something wrong on a forum and then can't play games they laid down $50-$60 dollars for.  Absurd actually.

Modifié par Aaleel, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:56 .

[Candidate 88766]

Mclouvins wrote...

apixaez wrote...


I have not put anyone in a box and this is my first time even being involved in this discussion .. I stayed away from all the others and if the reponse I get after the first time I voice my concerns is "DONT LIKE IT? DONT BUY IT! GTFO!", it really does not make me any more sympathetic to their cause or stance.

I wasn't singling anyone out specifically but some people have hit the point where no matter what Bioware says they are going to find fault, or else criticize them for saying nothing, it becomes a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Pretty much.

They have to say something, but they can't change the fact that it'll be on Origin. There's not really much they can say.

[Hedera]

Adugan wrote...

Well thank you for this enlightened opinion. It is bordering on insults. If you want to discuss things in a civilized manner, dont tell people to grow up. This forum is for discussions, which is exactly what people are doing. If you cant deal with expressions of opinion, dont visit BSN or any other forum for that matter.

Now you grow up and be done with it insulting posts.

Sigh...

Okay.  Fine. I'm going to calm down now.

My difficulty with this whole thing is that regardless of what any of the people (read: Priestly or Woo or EA) say about this issue, not everyone will be satisfied.  And because of that, this topic, or the inevitable next one after this is locked will continue along the same path.  ME3 is shipping with Origin.  Whether it ever gets on another platform is not something we will see for months.  

I begin to see the point that outcry is the only thing we can do at this point, but calling the developers unprofessional and screaming about them not answering afterwards seems, to me, juvenile.  What gets me mad, in the end, is the seemingly endless string of posts that ignore everything that has been said already and simply accuse "EAware" of stealing their banking info.  <- I am aware that isn't completely accurate, but it all smears together.

What we need to remove Origin, if you all are so intent on it, isn't a neverending string of "EA is evil, let's go pirate, sale lost" and more reasoned arguments that Priestly can actually use.  Which is not what I see in this thread.

[Pixieking]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seriously. Origin sucks. Why is it on the boxed version? 

Valid question is valid.

I get that EA don't want it on Steam

I get that Origin is required for the DD version.

I don't get why EA can release a game like The Old Republic as a physical retail disc the install of which doesn't require Origin, but the install of Mass Effect 3 from physical retail disc, by contrast, does require Origin.

Give us an answer for that one please.

Modifié par Emoking, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:57 .