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[kofelover]

Mclouvins wrote...

apixaez wrote...


I have not put anyone in a box and this is my first time even being involved in this discussion .. I stayed away from all the others and if the reponse I get after the first time I voice my concerns is "DONT LIKE IT? DONT BUY IT! GTFO!", it really does not make me any more sympathetic to their cause or stance.

I wasn't singling anyone out specifically but some people have hit the point where no matter what Bioware says they are going to find fault, or else criticize them for saying nothing, it becomes a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Nobody is thinking "damned if you do" - just be honest and not make cryptic statements like "you can opt out of datamining within ME3" when it Obviously was not answering the questions and was misleading at best.

[apixaez]

Mclouvins wrote...

apixaez wrote...


I have not put anyone in a box and this is my first time even being involved in this discussion .. I stayed away from all the others and if the reponse I get after the first time I voice my concerns is "DONT LIKE IT? DONT BUY IT! GTFO!", it really does not make me any more sympathetic to their cause or stance.

I wasn't singling anyone out specifically but some people have hit the point where no matter what Bioware says they are going to find fault, or else criticize them for saying nothing, it becomes a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

Sorry if my comment came across as an attack, but I felt like you were addressing me And if what you said is true, then that's very sad. We're all in this together and talking and finding a compromise is always the way forward.

[Pupuppu]

Sylvianus wrote...

I can not understand the enthusiasm of the people in front of such pathetic numbers for the PC.  instead it gives to think that the impact will be minor in the number of sales. they should stop showing that, for their greater good.

Everyone should note them carefully, before they spent their well earned money into a DRM service that relies on these sales.

[GarrusVI]

I replayed ME 1 and 2 to find this?

Sorry, I won't be buying unless a steam release is verified. No multiple game clients for me. And I advise others to do the same.

[Zanallen]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Right now the fact that they won't sticky this damn thread is making me angry, and they should be able to do something about that without having to ask their superiors at EA for a few months.

Chris already addressed that. He doesn't feel this thread needs to be stickied. And he's right, considering this thread hasn't left the first page since it was opened.

[Elphaba]

IsaacShep wrote...

Elphaba wrote...

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums?

Yep which is one of the main problems

Jeezum crow.  That is completely screwball.

Boo would be ashamed of you, Chris Priestly.

[Adugan]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Well thank you for this enlightened opinion. It is bordering on insults. If you want to discuss things in a civilized manner, dont tell people to grow up. This forum is for discussions, which is exactly what people are doing. If you cant deal with expressions of opinion, dont visit BSN or any other forum for that matter.

Now you grow up and be done with it insulting posts.

Sigh...

Okay.  Fine. I'm going to calm down now.

My difficulty with this whole thing is that regardless of what any of the people (read: Priestly or Woo or EA) say about this issue, not everyone will be satisfied.  And because of that, this topic, or the inevitable next one after this is locked will continue along the same path.  ME3 is shipping with Origin.  Whether it ever gets on another platform is not something we will see for months.  

I begin to see the point that outcry is the only thing we can do at this point, but calling the developers unprofessional and screaming about them not answering afterwards seems, to me, juvenile.  What gets me mad, in the end, is the seemingly endless string of posts that ignore everything that has been said already and simply accuse "EAware" of stealing their banking info.  <- I am aware that isn't completely accurate, but it all smears together.

What we need to remove Origin, if you all are so intent on it, isn't a neverending string of "EA is evil, let's go pirate, sale lost" and more reasoned arguments that Priestly can actually use.  Which is not what I see in this thread.

I dont know about you, but Chris was unprofessional and disrespectful to me personally. This is why I do not take him at his word. 

[MysterD]

Ryzaki wrote...

MysterD wrote...
Less different DRM types to probably patch-up.

They'll only have ONE DRM [Internet-style DRM]....
As opposed to having TWO different ones [say DVD version has disc-check, while Internet version has Internet DRM].

I'm sure by doing this, this'll save some $, resources, and TIME.

Somehow I doubt it's alot. Especially since the devs already said they'd like to put the game on Steam. Steam which would have a different kind of DRM.

Some companies are willing to have two versions of their game - a Non-Steam version w/ one set of DRM [likely Internet activation-based]; while also having another Steam version of the game wrapped w/ Steamworks DRM.

Steam has the lead in the digital distribution market. Many companies feel it's probably worth their time to also have a Steam version, since Steam supposedly has about 70% or so of that market [according to Brad Wardell, some few years back - who knows what it is now]. Love Steam, hate it, or somewhere on the fence - Steam versions often sell VERY WELL. It's a market many dev's and publishers feel they cannot ignore.

Some companies just are willing to go Steamworks only, no matter what version you buy. Less versions to patch, so the dev's only have one Steam version to patch.

And EA has the guts to try and compete w/ Steam and have some of their games use Origin only. EA's surely big enough to at least try and compete with Steam.

The thing is - Steam wants ALL DLC also for a said product sold on their client-program and wants all patches filtered through them. EA  wants Origin to do all patching through there; and they want DLC to be sold through Origin or their developer's site directly. So, there's the conflict of interests right there. Until they both compromise on something, they're both going to be in the situation that we have now.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .

[Candidate 88766]

MaaZeus wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Complaining on forums may not help, but apathy is sure to help even less. So I'd rather voice my opinion than stay silent, some (if the huge preorder sales drop tells anything) have even voted with their wallets.

But yes, I am quite done, mostly. I can only hope our opinion is heard.

Huh?

PC pre-orders still increased, by almost 600 hundred.

Sure, it about 2500 less than last week, but compared to almost 80,000 Xbox pre-orders in that same week its pretty minimal. More Xbox pre-orders were made last week than there PC pre-orders overall. And the amounf of console pre-orders has been increasing week by week so any impact from lower PC pre-orders will be more than made up for with console sales.

[Adugan]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Complaining on forums may not help, but apathy is sure to help even less. So I'd rather voice my opinion than stay silent, some (if the huge preorder sales drop tells anything) have even voted with their wallets.

But yes, I am quite done, mostly. I can only hope our opinion is heard.

Huh?

PC pre-orders still increased, by almost 600 hundred.

Sure, it about 2500 less than last week, but compared to almost 80,000 Xbox pre-orders in that same week its pretty minimal. More Xbox pre-orders were made last week than there PC pre-orders overall. And the amounf of console pre-orders has been increasing week by week so any impact from lower PC pre-orders will be more than made up for with console sales.

There are going to be people who do not read the forums, and will never be affected by BW announcements. Of course they will always get new preorders, but the point is that people read this and decided not to get the game.

[Snake Vargas]

cgrimm54 wrote...

People seem to forget that BioWare, while not being EA, is owned by EA. 

Bioware is really really keen on implying that this is all big bad EA's fault (and our hands are tied so please, won't you still buy our game and just try EA's intrusive software?) But the fact is, Bioware is one of EA's most bankable publishers... they just released SW:TOR which I'm sure everyone at EA is counting on being as much of a cash cow to them as WoW has been to Activison/Blizzard. The point I'm getting at is, if Stephen King called up his publisher and said, "Hey, I want to print my next novel on rolls of toilet paper because its about the terrible crap monster that roams the sewers." The publisher is going to at least try to make that happen, because if it's Stephen King, it's going to sell. Same situation with Bioware.

Bioware claims to listen to their customers. But in both these threads about Origin their customers have been saying three things: (1) I didn't want Orgin, but I guess I'll install it anyway because I want to play ME3 so much. (2) I wanted to buy ME3 on Steam. And (3) I don't want my games to be involved with a launcher at all. I havent' seen anyone actually excited to use EA's spyware (if it isn't spyware, why a different version for Germany, which has more restrictive laws, than for the rest of the world?)

I'm really disappointed that BIoware has chosen this course of action, and I'm even more disappointed that they've decided to couch their decision in outright lies. Origin *does* scan your computer and transmit data to EA without your knowledge. The only reason they could possibly claim that it isn't spyware is because you have to "consent" to this when you agree to the EULA. But even worse is that they're claiming this is about providing customers with better "service". When it is in fact, clearly an issue of them not wanting to pay Steam's percentage.

 Chris Priestly wrote...
We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game

 

But here's the thing. For me, Steam is the compromise between pirating and super restrictive DRM that I was willing to accept. I recognize that this isn't true for everyone, but, Steam hit 5 million concurrent users this last Christmas. I suspect it's true for a lot of people. I haven't pirated a game at all since I installed Steam three years ago, and I've even been going back and buying games that I pirated as they become available on Steam. But this Origin thing is pretty clearly Bioware saying "Screw getting *some* of the money, we're going to take all of it. And there's not a thing you can do <evil laugh>" But there is a thing I can do. I can... just not buy the game.

Priestly is right in that this is an issue about service [inappropriate comments removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:35 .

[Candidate 88766]

Emoking wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Seriously. Origin sucks. Why is it on the boxed version? 

Valid question is valid.

I get that EA don't want it on Steam

I get that Origin is required for the DD version.

I don't get why EA can release a game like The Old Republic as a physical retail disc the install of which doesn't require Origin, but the install of Mass Effect 3 from physical retail disc, by contrast, does require Origin.

Give us an answer for that one please.

Its going to be one of the biggest games of the year, and will sell in the millions. Attaching it to Origin ensures that Origin's user base will increase. Its not a decision that has any positive impact to us gamers, but form EA's point of view its genuis - between this and BF3 Origin's user base is going to be pretty big. Not Steam big, but that'll probably come with time if EA keeps forcing Origin with their AAA games. 

[Ravenknight]

Tenryu7 wrote...

I have heard nothing but bad things about Origin from my friends who have used it for BF3 and I would really like for my Mass Effect games to be on the same service considering I already have 1 & 2 on Steam.

Best of luck working with Steam to put Mass Effect 3 on it. I will wait patiently for that day.

First off, I'm not buying the whole "we're working with Steam" bit. It's just loading more "Valve is being stubborn" deflection ammo.

Second, considering the quote: "Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change." exactly how will that all mesh together? Steam loads the game, which actually loads ORIGIN (Hallowed are the Ori), which THEN loads ME3? Steam would not be a safe haven from Origin (Hallowed are the Ori) my friends. And I think it rather obvious that Valve would not prostrate and allow a competing platform to load on top of their own. Thus adding to the "Valve is the 'man in the black hat' " pile-on.

Origin (hallowrd are the Ori) would have to be removed from the equation before any mere flicker of hope could be sparked for Steamers. Put aside that argument for now. It's only diverting from the core issue and giving EAware plenty of red herrings to strew about.

[Candidate 88766]

Adugan wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

Complaining on forums may not help, but apathy is sure to help even less. So I'd rather voice my opinion than stay silent, some (if the huge preorder sales drop tells anything) have even voted with their wallets.

But yes, I am quite done, mostly. I can only hope our opinion is heard.

Huh?

PC pre-orders still increased, by almost 600 hundred.

Sure, it about 2500 less than last week, but compared to almost 80,000 Xbox pre-orders in that same week its pretty minimal. More Xbox pre-orders were made last week than there PC pre-orders overall. And the amounf of console pre-orders has been increasing week by week so any impact from lower PC pre-orders will be more than made up for with console sales.

There are going to be people who do not read the forums, and will never be affected by BW announcements. Of course they will always get new preorders, but the point is that people read this and decided not to get the game.

And my point is that it hasn't had an impact, and likely isn't going to. PC pre-orders may be even less next week. Hell, they could even go down. But that number will so vastly outweighed by the console pre-orders as to be insigificant.

[Adugan]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Seriously. Origin sucks. Why is it on the boxed version? 

Valid question is valid.

I get that EA don't want it on Steam

I get that Origin is required for the DD version.

I don't get why EA can release a game like The Old Republic as a physical retail disc the install of which doesn't require Origin, but the install of Mass Effect 3 from physical retail disc, by contrast, does require Origin.

Give us an answer for that one please.

Its going to be one of the biggest games of the year, and will sell in the millions. Attaching it to Origin ensures that Origin's user base will increase. Its not a decision that has any positive impact to us gamers, but form EA's point of view its genuis - between this and BF3 Origin's user base is going to be pretty big. Not Steam big, but that'll probably come with time if EA keeps forcing Origin with their AAA games. 

Also, attaching a DRM platform to an MMO is just plain stupid. You cant pirate MMOs. Well you CAN, but it will only be you and 5 other people on the server.

[Dragoonlordz]

Adugan wrote...

There are going to be people who do not read the forums, and will never be affected by BW announcements. Of course they will always get new preorders, but the point is that people read this and decided not to get the game.

You have to remember if rely on VGC ME3 still has more than double the pre-orders on PC alone (with 8 weeks to go) then ME2 had in its first week and more than five times what ME1 had in its first week.

[MysterD]

Ravenknight wrote...

Tenryu7 wrote...

I have heard nothing but bad things about Origin from my friends who have used it for BF3 and I would really like for my Mass Effect games to be on the same service considering I already have 1 & 2 on Steam.

Best of luck working with Steam to put Mass Effect 3 on it. I will wait patiently for that day.

First off, I'm not buying the whole "we're working with Steam" bit. It's just loading more "Valve is being stubborn" deflection ammo.

Second, considering the quote: "Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change." exactly how will that all mesh together? Steam loads the game, which actually loads ORIGIN (Hallowed are the Ori), which THEN loads ME3? Steam would not be a safe haven from Origin (Hallowed are the Ori) my friends. And I think it rather obvious that Valve would not prostrate and allow a competing platform to load on top of their own. Thus adding to the "Valve is the 'man in the black hat' " pile-on.

Origin (hallowrd are the Ori) would have to be removed from the equation before any mere flicker of hope could be sparked for Steamers. Put aside that argument for now. It's only diverting from the core issue and giving EAware plenty of red herrings to strew about.

Well, there are Steam versions of some games that use both Steam and G4WL.

Heck, Steam versions of GTA4 + EFLC use G4WL; Rockstar Social Club; and Steam

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[Rudy Lis]

Aaleel wrote...

WOW, now that is a damn shame.  Someone says something wrong on a forum and then can't play games they laid down $50-$60 dollars for.  Absurd actually.

Russian reversal anyone? Like on that Smith&Wesson (in)famous boycott?
*With thick Russian accent*: "In Soviet Amerika EA boycotts you!"

[TheRealJayDee]

Zanallen wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Right now the fact that they won't sticky this damn thread is making me angry, and they should be able to do something about that without having to ask their superiors at EA for a few months.

Chris already addressed that. He doesn't feel this thread needs to be stickied. And he's right, considering this thread hasn't left the first page since it was opened.

Sigh... and it won't leave first page, but the message sent by not just stickying is not good.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[photographerleia]

cgrimm54 wrote...

What we need to remove Origin, if you all are so intent on it, isn't a neverending string of "EA is evil, let's go pirate, sale lost" and more reasoned arguments that Priestly can actually use.  Which is not what I see in this thread.

Actually, it is a refrain of "I really wanted this game, I have cancelled my order b/c of Origin, I simply will not play the game at all, I'm through with Bioware."  All of these points are valid, and the refrain of a gaming population that is sick of being abused and treated like criminals.  In addition, everyone suggesting high seas marauding has been told to be quiet, since those kinds of activites give EA/BW the ammunition they need to enforce Origin. 

[Hedera]

*me reading about dude banned for post directed at him*
*me reaching realization*
So. Origin.

@guy/girl above me
The discussion of piracy is what gets these threads locked.  Cancelling your pre-order because you don't want Origin is perfectly fine.  

Origin and EA appear to be testing the limits of what they can do.  If bans here got you kicked off your Origin account, hell yeah I'd join Cerberus consider getting mad too.

Modifié par cgrimm54, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:11 .

[Sylvianus]

Pupuppu wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

I can not understand the enthusiasm of the people in front of such pathetic numbers for the PC.  instead it gives to think that the impact will be minor in the number of sales. they should stop showing that, for their greater good.

Everyone should note them carefully, before they spent their well earned money into a DRM service that relies on these sales.

they already know they will lose customers. Bioware / EA knows that since a long time. They know because there have been 150 topics on the bsn about Origins. They know, because despite the threads locked, new ones were created each time.

Bioware knows that for months and months. Because for months and months, people have warned that they would not buy Mass Effect 3 if there was origins.

The result? Ohhhh : Mass Effect will be with Origin. despite all what was said. That means what ?  They are willing / ready to lose customers, obviously.

These figures may be show a strong trend, but this trend is pathetic in its sales, which makes the result meaningless to convince to change their mind. (For now).
.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:10 .

[Dragoonlordz]

cgrimm54 wrote...

*me reading about dude banned for post directed at him*
*me reaching realization*
So. Origin.

Eh? 

[Rockworm503]

Luvinn wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

PC pre-orders already plummet lol?

Weekly increase in Pre-Orders last week:
Mass Effect 3 X360 - 55,958
PS3 - 7,006
PC - 3,102


Weekly increase in Pre-Orders this week:
X360 - 78,888 ( +41%)
PS3 - 9,644 (+37.7%)
PC - 589 (-81%)

Epic! Should put EA brass on that show "are you smarter than a 5th grader" because even they could see why this is the case.

I think that 41% on Xbox and 37.7%+ on PC says more to them than the -81%
Lets be honest here if anything this will just tell them to focus on consoles in the future.