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[Adugan]

Stanley Woo wrote...

apixaez wrote...
I noticed and I did read it. However I do not appreciate being treated like a child as it all boils down to having Origin on your computer which is the sole issue, no matter where it is made available for purchase. As I apparently have the need to clarify what I meant (shocking really), I will do so. Why am I forced a client upon me when there already is a perfectly working client with less issues doing the exact same thing, but better? Is it EA's sheer arrogance or do they really think Origin will become a success with all the negative publicity it has gotten?

Mass Effect is not currently available on Steam. You cannot get the game on Steam right now. Steam is not currently selling Mass Effect 3.

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question. The question is what has already been brought up in these discussions by others who feel as you do--whether to purchase Mass Effect 3 or not. And I have very little to do with that decision. i'm just trying to keep the screaming down to manageable levels so Mrs. Fenway in the apartment downstairs doesn't show up at our door again.

We both know the disagreement about the TOS is a load of .. well you know .. and some more fancy talk to make Origin feel like it's the "way forward".

No, we don't "both know" that. the disagreement about the TOS starts with the TOS itself, which can be considered an offer. Now that many of the big questions have been answered, each player and consumer has to decide for himself whether to accept that offer and purchase the game. Some have chosen not to take the offer. Some have suggested alternatives. Some have chosen to accept the offer.

Uh no, the german EULA has been updated, not the one that matters to me. And let's see, general community with a brain:"ORIGIN DATAMINES YOUR COMPUTER FOR STUFF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH! VIEW EVIDENCE A TO Z!" Single person working for the company providing Origin:"No guys, really, it doesn't (anymore)!"

Yeah, you make a pursuading arguement. Unfortunately, whether it still does or not, the damage has been done and trust has been damaged beyond repair.

Then we really have nothing more to talk about, do we?

Thank you for giving me my right to what I am entitled to do with my hard earned cash. I wish you were this easy going with your choice of forcing Origin on me too as I am supposed to buy Mass Effect 3 and not Origin or OriginEffect3. But I do appreciate your comments, it makes you a lot more popular in my book.

The right to do as you wish with your cash was not given by me. I'm just reiterating it since some people tend to forget that such choice and power is ultimately theirs. in fact, it even slips your mind when you mention "forcing Origin on me". The offer is there. We are not offering to sell them separately. Chris Priestly states rather explicitly that Origin is coming with Mass Effect 3. It is up to you, the consumer, to choose whether to purchase the game (ie. accept the offer) or not purchase the game. I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Thank you for clarifying your position.

Stanley, you are a moderator on these forums. Being blunt and disrespectful does not suit your role.

[Incognito JC]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

[Rudy Lis]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

 That is just ridiculous.

Well, imagine reverse process...

MysterD wrote...

Can't you just register your ME1 key on Origin; download ME1 from Origin; and skip Steam entirely?
Seriously - too many layers, if you also have Steam in the mix.

Why should I do that? I can perfectly run ME1&2 from Steam. I like Steam, it has greater selection (well, until Bethesda decided to throw all Eastern Europe out in the window; not that I really wanted anything besides New Vegas), works faster, works OFFLINE and works reliably (very important to me), has lower prices (weekend Dead Space -75% sale - EA?! Hello?!) and completely not annoying. Maybe in upcoming years Origin will became better, I'm not clairvoyant. So far if it wasn't for Pinnacle Station (and, as it "inevitably" seems - Mass Effect 3) I'd never installed Origin in first place. Yeah, friend gifted me BF3, I bought Dragon Age 2 on sale, just to support one of my favorite studio, but I can't normally play DA2. No complaints regarding BF3.
Ow, one more thing. Steam support works. EA seems to be wevvy wevvy busy.

MysterD wrote...

ME1 doesn't require Origin running in the background.

ME2?

MysterD wrote...

Steam normally forces itself to run in the background, while running a game.

Not a problem. Steam consumes minimum resources. And I can always hide it.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:30 .

[MysterD]

Docjam wrote...

Chris, is it possible that after a period of time Mass Effect 3 will NOT require Origin? A year or so maybe? It really is a deal breaker for me, but I'd like to play the game on my platform of choice. I'm willing to wait if that's a possibility but you will never, ever, ever, convince me that Origin is a good thing.

Forcing Origin upon us isn't a deal-breaker for me, as long as offline mode works.
This is the same thing where many Steam games require Steam running in the background - as long as offline mode works, it's tolerable.

I'd just like to say this - one of the things I really preferred about Origin OVER Steam in the past was that I could just run a game w/out running Origin in the background.
To me, given the above, it's disappointing ME3 and BF3 require Origin - but hey, it is what it is. I can tolerate this.

It would be cool if down the line, Origin-requirement got patched out of ME3 and BF3.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:34 .

[MaaZeus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Thing is, even if every single PC pre-order was cancelled the loss would be covered by one week's worth of console pre-orders. The pre-orders are already way ahead of the previous ME games, so this game is going to be a colossal commercial success. I mean, its not going to have FIFA or CoD levels of revenue, but it'll be high. No matter how many people here cancel their pre-orders, its not going to make a difference.

True. But you forget Origin out of the equation. If you didnt notice EA is quite hellbent on making Origin a some kind of success story on PC like Steam is, why would it be forced on us otherwise by a game like ME3 that has been so dearly waited? So, if ME3 fails on PC because people are angry at the forced Origin, the game itself may not fail thanks to console sales but it will certainly be (another) embarrasing spot in Origins fame, maybe even enough to make EA rethink their PC strategy in the future. Although that may not necessarily be for the best now that I think about it...

The millions who have Origin for BF3 will more than cover a few thousand lost sales of ME3.

The only real chance Origin had of failing was if people boycotted BF3. EA put everything they had behind that - if it had failed, so would Origin. In the first 10 weeks over 1.2 million bought BF3 on PC, so Origin has at least 1.2 million users. The 70,000 pre-orders for ME3 aren't going to dent that either way.

Maybe. But those are just preorders. But If the game will not sell well during its first few months, or even its lifetime, the dent should be a bit larger than just that mere +-70000 copies, because lets face it, ME3 should sell much more. As I said before, ME2 and 1 did rather well on PC. To my knowledge anyway.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:31 .

[GarrusVI]

Rockworm503 wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

This forum reeks of entitlement. "I don't want Origin because I don't trust it so get rid of it for me."
Hate me if you want, but EA isn't going to do anything about it. Priestly is doing what he can by looking over the old thread, but this constant whining and anger (which is perfectly legitimate) isn't helping anyone. Stanley told you to make a decision because we are all (or at least should be) adults here, and we have the right to cancel pre-orders and lose our trust in BioWare. What we shouldn't do is complain about it for pages and pages, then tear the developers to shreds any time they don't do exactly what we want. Grow up, cancel your pre-order, and be done with it.

LOL its now entitlement to value my privacy now.
What morew ill the fanboys come up with.

Exactly this. It's also the fact that I don't fancy having multiple game clients just to run games. I would rather purchase my games on a client that has been proven to work for 7+ years, then drop cash to run a game on an experemental beta client.

[Candidate 88766]

Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

What do you expect him to say?

If he came into this thread telling people to buy it people would rage.

Offering sympathy would be admitting that Origin is a bad thing, and they've clearly been given rather rigid guidelines as to what they can and can't say about Origin.

All he said was that its our choice whether to buy the game or not.

[Rockworm503]

Elphaba wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Elphaba wrote...

If I install ME3 via the ORIGINs service is there the possibility of EA disabling my copy of the game on my PC because of something I say on the forums?

Yep which is one of the main problems

Jeezum crow.  That is completely screwball.

Boo would be ashamed of you, Chris Priestly.

Indeed when the datamining isn't the worst of it you have to question why anyone would put up with it.

[Dragoonlordz]

[quote]vallore wrote...

Thanks or your answers, DragonLordz, it is much appreciated.

Regarding answer one: I thank you for taking the time to test it yourself and posting the results here. Still, I’m concerned that data collection may vary. They say in Origin EULA, article two that [the data] “...may be gathered periodically...”

If I’m not mistaken, at least some companies perform their data mining of any specific client either on random intervals or according with some specific calendar. (I may be wrong, of course). This means that, just because, at day one and subsequent weeks, or months, nothing is collected it is just because data collection wasn’t activated, yet.
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There is certainly an element of truth to that, but in order for tests we ran to show such it would have to go on the principle that the client itself would stop searching where it currently does and completley switch to searching elsewhere at that specific time. I cannot rule it out without keeping it on for entire month sitting at computer screen staring at the data for that period to rule it out. But I have to rely on my own common sense that it won't just switch it's routine on a specific day because if get into that mindset then there is no hope for the future.

As in what if that does not happen for the first month that kept eye on it even if they send data during that period and it's all fine and dandy doing as supposed to but what if they randomly do it a year from now. There is only so much (I don't wish to use the word here but I cannot think of better one to describe this very specific aspect) paranoia that something may happen. I believe I said in the other thread how I am not the kind of person who wishes to spend the rest of my life living in fear of what might happen, there comes a point where the data you have needs to be sufficient. I am at that stage at this current time (personally) but I cannot make that decision for others.

[quote]
Further, quoting the EULA, same second article concerning "Consent to Collection and Use of Data.":
“You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. “

These terms seem way far too excessive for what Origin appears to be doing now. And that suggests that may do much more, unless EA specifically clarify this issue, (which is what I’m hoping for). 
[/quote]

I can only speak for myself on how I interpret that section to mean. I work in IT and to me the IP and operating system information as well as peripheral hardware it mentioned can be obtained from the registry and I admitted it looks there which is fine (to me), the software and software usage to me means the game and the client both are software and both are scanned as mentioned the same could apply to the application usage which could mean game and client again. Especially when the last part says it may be used for the purpose of software updates, served content (DLC imho) plus product support meaning information about client and game if have any bugs or problems with them.

Now there is an element of what each individual beleives it means, to me if means what I believe then it matches what the software is shown to be doing. Could they maybe replace words software with Origin or each games they produce.. Maybe but I consider EULAs have always been written in fairly broad strokes and general terms. We may feel differently about what it means and how to interpret it but your not wrong to have a possible different view about what it might mean. 

[quote]
Regarding answer four:  Ummm. Sorry, but I have to disagree.  the point I quoted was very broad about what it can collect. Further, a generic EULA article, over a sensitive subject, that is causing substantial ill will, and distrust, in a large segment of the community in a critical time for the future of the Origin venture, and to a number of high profile games?
[/quote]

The initial EULA caused the distrust, the new one just hasn't been enough to appease some people.

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Anyhows I tried to answer what I could but in the end I am just a customer like yourself and it is perfectly ok to not hold the same views on such things.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:33 .

[Incognito JC]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
What do you expect him to say?

If he came into this thread telling people to buy it people would rage.

Offering sympathy would be admitting that Origin is a bad thing, and they've clearly been given rather rigid guidelines as to what they can and can't say about Origin.

All he said was that its our choice whether to buy the game or not.

You missed out on the fact that his wording shows no appreciation of the fans and customers, thus taking us for granted. He was quite blunt and disrespectful.

[Candidate 88766]

MaaZeus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Thing is, even if every single PC pre-order was cancelled the loss would be covered by one week's worth of console pre-orders. The pre-orders are already way ahead of the previous ME games, so this game is going to be a colossal commercial success. I mean, its not going to have FIFA or CoD levels of revenue, but it'll be high. No matter how many people here cancel their pre-orders, its not going to make a difference.

True. But you forget Origin out of the equation. If you didnt notice EA is quite hellbent on making Origin a some kind of success story on PC like Steam is, why would it be forced on us otherwise by a game like ME3 that has been so dearly waited? So, if ME3 fails on PC because people are angry at the forced Origin, the game itself may not fail thanks to console sales but it will certainly be (another) embarrasing spot in Origins fame, maybe even enough to make EA rethink their PC strategy in the future. Although that may not necessarily be for the best now that I think about it...

The millions who have Origin for BF3 will more than cover a few thousand lost sales of ME3.

The only real chance Origin had of failing was if people boycotted BF3. EA put everything they had behind that - if it had failed, so would Origin. In the first 10 weeks over 1.2 million bought BF3 on PC, so Origin has at least 1.2 million users. The 70,000 pre-orders for ME3 aren't going to dent that either way.

Maybe. But those are just preorders. But If the game will not sell well during its first few months, or even its lifetime, the dent should be a bit larger than just that mere +-70000 copies, because lets face it, ME3 should sell much more. As I said before, ME2 and 1 did rather well on PC. To my knowledge anyway.

But those 70,000 pre-orders aren't going to be cancelled. ME3 will still sell well on the PC when it comes out. As well as would have if there was no Origin? No. Better than ME1 or ME2? Based on the pre-orders, quite likely.

This game is going to sell like hotcakes on every platform. It would do better on PC without Origin, but most people either don't know enough or don't care about what Origin used to do. 

[MaaZeus]

Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

I agree. Odd way to speak from person who, I am sure, wants their game to be a pure success comercially everywhere. If I understood him at all.

Im off to sleep. Its 4 in the morning now and I should have been gone to sleep atleast 3 hours ago!

[Hedera]

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOL its now entitlement to value my privacy now.
What morew ill the fanboys come up with.

It's not entitlement to value privacy.  It's entitlement to expect a large company to listen to you when you say that.  And I'm not a fanboy, btw.  I'm just mad at what a flea circus this whole thing has become.

[kofelover]

Incognito JC wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
What do you expect him to say?

If he came into this thread telling people to buy it people would rage.

Offering sympathy would be admitting that Origin is a bad thing, and they've clearly been given rather rigid guidelines as to what they can and can't say about Origin.

All he said was that its our choice whether to buy the game or not.

You missed out on the fact that his wording shows no appreciation of the fans and customers, thus taking us for granted. He was quite blunt and disrespectful.

Or -- sometimes it's just better to say nothing than open your mouth and dig a deeper hole.

[AlanC9]

Adugan wrote...
Stanley, you are a moderator on these forums. Being blunt and disrespectful does not suit your role.

Why not?

What's wrong with blunt?

And as for disrespectful, I don't really see it. They have a product. You can buy it or not. That's the extent of the relationship.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:39 .

[Candidate 88766]

Incognito JC wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
What do you expect him to say?

If he came into this thread telling people to buy it people would rage.

Offering sympathy would be admitting that Origin is a bad thing, and they've clearly been given rather rigid guidelines as to what they can and can't say about Origin.

All he said was that its our choice whether to buy the game or not.

You missed out on the fact that his wording shows no appreciation of the fans and customers, thus taking us for granted. He was quite blunt and disrespectful.

'
I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.'

Thats not blunt or disrespectful - quite the opposite. He is saying that Bioware will respect its fans regardless of whether they buy the game.

If he had said that they would look down on people cancelling pre-orders, that would be disrepectful. What he actually said was pretty much the opposite.

[Incognito JC]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Let's not hate on Mr. Woo, he's not in the wrong here. He has to defend this.

His position is understandable, his bluntness isn't. Like I mentioned, the feeling I got from his post was us being taken for granted, "we don't care, take it/leave it".

Modifié par Incognito JC, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:41 .

[MaaZeus]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
But those 70,000 pre-orders aren't going to be cancelled. ME3 will still sell well on the PC when it comes out. As well as would have if there was no Origin? No. Better than ME1 or ME2? Based on the pre-orders, quite likely.

This game is going to sell like hotcakes on every platform. It would do better on PC without Origin, but most people either don't know enough or don't care about what Origin used to do. 

True. And I also forgot the people, (BF3 players) who already have Origin, out of the equation. Which is definetly over the million. If they are interested in ME3 that is.


God I'm tired...

Modifié par MaaZeus, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:40 .

[Sylvianus]

Basically in this topic : " I have my principles ", ( privacy, and that's fine ), I won't buy It if there is origin ( there will be origin ), and that's it. And mods can't answer to your questions, except Chris.

What do you expect ? When someone is saying, I won't buy it, if he tries to say, please buy the game, you'll say, ooh EA / bioware sucks, I don't believe you, lies, or no because of spyware, or why it isn't stickied, why ?why ?

At this level, it is a matter of choice, like he said. Bioware can't do anything for us, it's a situation where each decides. The only thing that bioware can do for you is to answer your questions ( Chris ) and maybe see with EA. But that's it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:40 .

[Incognito JC]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.'

Eh, I quoted that line so I don't have to quote a long post. Read the entire thing, it gives me that feeling after reading.

[Candidate 88766]

MaaZeus wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
But those 70,000 pre-orders aren't going to be cancelled. ME3 will still sell well on the PC when it comes out. As well as would have if there was no Origin? No. Better than ME1 or ME2? Based on the pre-orders, quite likely.

This game is going to sell like hotcakes on every platform. It would do better on PC without Origin, but most people either don't know enough or don't care about what Origin used to do. 

True. And I also forgot the people (BF3 players) who already have Origin out of the equation, which is definetly over the million. If they are interested in ME3 that is.


God I'm tired...

The ME3 demo promotion in the BF3 box will probably entice enough people to more than cover any loss of PC pre-orders.

I'm pretty tired too. Its almost 2am here, and I have exams this week. Never realised just how hard university would be.

[Ryzaki]

Sylvianus wrote...

Basically in this topic : " I have my principles ", ( privacy, and that's fine ), I won't buy It if there is origin ( there will be origin ), and that's it. And mods can't answer to your answers, except Chris.

What do you expect ? When someone is saying, I won't buy it, if he tries to say, please buy the game, you'll say, ooh EA / bioware sucks, I don't believe you, lies, or no because of spyware, or why it isn't stickied, why ?why ?

At this level, it is a matter of choice, like he said. Bioware can't do anything for us, it's a situation where each decide. The only thing that bioware can do for you is to answer your questions ( Chris ) and maybe see with EA. But that's it.

*popping back in*

This basically.

If you're not buying the game due to origin there's nothing he can can to persuade you. Origin is stuck with the game. It's not changing.

[Incognito JC]

kofelover wrote...

Or -- sometimes it's just better to say nothing than open your mouth and dig a deeper hole.

This is true. I really wonder what had driven him to post what he did.