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kofelover wrote...

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if you can say nothing to quell the situation for whatever reason then say nothing at all....

un bel tacer non fu mai scritto


Yes, because that is a proven method when dealing with rage on the BSN. Oh wait, no. That never works. Instead it just causes people to get louder and louder while conspiracy theories crop up about why Bioware isn't saying anything.


You're missing the point - Mr. Woo does NOT have any answers to our questions and nobody EXPECTS him to.  In this case, saying nothing would have been better.


Could say the same to most of the folks are here as well, and yet they continue to say things they don't research into at all and repeat whatever they saw on N4G or wherever, or are just so biased they don't give a crap what anyone else says.

So if a BioWare employee tries to just pacify or offer perspective, even if it doesn't satisfy what you want, don't attack them over it like many on here have taken pleasure in doing.  There isn't an excuse for it.

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I don't see anything wrong with what Stanly Woo said. All he said was that every gamer was entitled after doing their research/looking into Origin to decide for themselves whether or not they want to buy the game. Which is basically what people are doing. I don't see disrespect or taking customers for granted.

Taking customers for granted is saying I don't care what you guys do, don't buy it, we'll still get enough sales so it won't matter or something like that. I don't see what's so offensive about saying you have the right to make up your own mind.

Yep.

Basically, it gives that : I don't care, you are forcing this on me,  I won't buy it, I won't buy it because of origins.

- Origin will be there with mass effect, but of course, you have the right to purchase or not purchase a game according to your criteria.

- WHAT ? u mad, How do you talk to me ? Want to fight with me ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .


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Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


Me three.


It might , but for now you need it to activate ME3.

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Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.


Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

:crying:


Thats because they already know this game will sell like hotcakes those of us who actually have issues are ants.
At least thats how it feels.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.


Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

:crying:


Thats because they already know this game will sell like hotcakes those of us who actually have issues are ants.
At least thats how it feels.


Or it's too late to get rid of origin without delaying the title further.

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You're missing the point - Mr. Woo does NOT have any answers to our questions and nobody EXPECTS him to.  In this case, saying nothing would have been better.


No one but the execs at EA have the answers you want and they certaintly aren't going to come here and give them to you. They might give their marketing people some info so they can forge a company line heavily laden with PR speak which will then be given to Chris so that he can relay the information to the people in this thread. People will then accuse Chris of lying to them or at the very least using careful wording in order to "trick the fans".

But the real point is that nothing anyone from Bioware says is going to change the fact that ME3 is going to require Origin. That isn't going to change. You now have the choice of purchasing ME3 despite Origin or sticking to your guns and not purchasing ME3.

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kofelover wrote...

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


I'm inclined to agree....I mean unless they surprise us somehow and Origin becomes a higher quality product than Steam (doubtful given EA's track record).  I'm always open for some good ol' fashion competition but so far EA has failed to give me a good enough reason to use Origin other than, " because you have to".

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Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.


Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

:crying:

Question answered in PM because it would have been off-topic for this discussion.

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Mass Effect is not currently available on Steam. You cannot get the game on Steam right now. Steam is not currently selling Mass Effect 3.


Unfortunately, I, and many others, will not accept that.  EA has shown itself capable of working with Valve before, but ever since this DLC hullaballoo came along, EA has been more than eager to point the finger at Valve than vice versa.  Makes you all look bad.

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question. The question is what has already been brought up in these discussions by others who feel as you do--whether to purchase Mass Effect 3 or not. And I have very little to do with that decision. i'm just trying to keep the screaming down to manageable levels so Mrs. Fenway in the apartment downstairs doesn't show up at our door again. :)


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, Mr. Woo, but people will continue to make a big deal of this, so, I suggest you bake Mrs. Fenway a cake as a way of apology when, or if, the screaming stops.

No, we don't "both know" that. the disagreement about the TOS starts with the TOS itself, which can be considered an offer. Now that many of the big questions have been answered, each player and consumer has to decide for himself whether to accept that offer and purchase the game. Some have chosen not to take the offer. Some have suggested alternatives. Some have chosen to accept the offer.


And it seems that EA is willing to dismiss those who do not wish to accept the offer and lose out on potential revenue because it doesn't want to share.  For shame, Mr. Woo. I thought that EA was comprised of businessmen who thought that the more conveinience and choices for their consumers means more sales.

Then we really have nothing more to talk about, do we?


Quite to the contrary, Mr. Woo.  There is much that can be talked about.  There is still a chance that consumer good will can salvaged from this potentially damaging ordeal.  The fact that you are here now is a good sign.  However, tread lightly, because every word you say is subject to scrutiny.

The right to do as you wish with your cash was not given by me. I'm just reiterating it since some people tend to forget that such choice and power is ultimately theirs. in fact, it even slips your mind when you mention "forcing Origin on me". The offer is there. We are not offering to sell them separately. Chris Priestly states rather explicitly that Origin is coming with Mass Effect 3. It is up to you, the consumer, to choose whether to purchase the game (ie. accept the offer) or not purchase the game. I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Thank you for clarifying your position.


*sigh*  You were doing so well until here, Mr. Woo.  This comes off as incrediably condescending.  People will not accept origin for what it is, no matter how many times one of you comes to tell us that it's not spyware.  Not to mention that you are pretty much stating that unless we, the consumers, are willing to accept a piece of software that has an even more checkered history than Steam ever did, then we are, as the term goes, S.O.L..  It almost sounds trollish of be to say this, but 'why don't you want my money'?

There are more gracious ways to handle these kinds of situations, Mr. Woo.  However, it seems that we are at an impasse.  Some of us will not, and never will, accept Origin.  And unless there are changes made, which would satisfy both parties, it seems that EA is out of potential sales and will continue to lose goodwill amongst the playerbase.  And no amount of corporate spin can recover the lost goodwill that Bioware has gathered over the years.

Good day, sir.

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TheJiveDJ wrote...

kofelover wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


I'm inclined to agree....I mean unless they surprise us somehow and Origin becomes a higher quality product than Steam (doubtful given EA's track record).  I'm always open for some good ol' fashion competition but so far EA has failed to give me a good enough reason to use Origin other than, " because you have to".


Yes , but Origins is still in it's begining's.

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The sad fact of the matter is that PC customers are a pretty insubstantial fraction of X-Box customers, so Bioware doesn't have to make their PC customers happy. So long as they sell enough to pay for the port from X-Box to PC, any other PC sales are gravy.

Fortunately (for me), there's no way I'll have finished Skyrim before April... and after that, well, there's plenty of companies out there who still are concerned with giving their PC customers the best possible experience.

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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

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There are more gracious ways to handle these kinds of situations, Mr. Woo.  However, it seems that we are at an impasse.  Some of us will not, and never will, accept Origin.  And unless there are changes made, which would satisfy both parties, it seems that EA is out of potential sales and will continue to lose goodwill amongst the playerbase.  And no amount of corporate spin can recover the lost goodwill that Bioware has gathered over the years.

Good day, sir.


Thats not going to happen though, take your own example of Valve you pushed at Stanley. If EA are not letting Valve push them around on issues, do you really thing the few dozen or maybe slightly more of most vocal on here will be able to push them into changing their mind. The answer is really just no and I am sorry if that won't make you happy but in the end EA have said it will include it and will not change their minds. If they can turn around to Valve with it's 30-40 million customers and stand up to them, a few dozen here even if few hundred won't make any difference.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:03 .


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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

kofelover wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


I'm inclined to agree....I mean unless they surprise us somehow and Origin becomes a higher quality product than Steam (doubtful given EA's track record).  I'm always open for some good ol' fashion competition but so far EA has failed to give me a good enough reason to use Origin other than, " because you have to".


Yes , but Origins is still in it's begining's.


Except it's just a rebranding of a product that has existed for years.

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slimgrin wrote...

Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


Me too. I also hope that EA decides to stop making PC games because of it.

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Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


It actually is. Or, one of many questions. If Origin doesn't "succeed" and is terminated by EA, what are the chances you guys will make a patch to remove the Origin requirement and let us play the game we've paid for?

So yes, the success of Origin is very much a question.

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Yuoaman wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

kofelover wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


I'm inclined to agree....I mean unless they surprise us somehow and Origin becomes a higher quality product than Steam (doubtful given EA's track record).  I'm always open for some good ol' fashion competition but so far EA has failed to give me a good enough reason to use Origin other than, " because you have to".


Yes , but Origins is still in it's begining's.


Except it's just a rebranding of a product that has existed for years.


Yes , but they have a right to make their own digital platform and secure exclusive access.

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The sad fact of the matter is that PC customers are a pretty insubstantial fraction of X-Box customers, so Bioware doesn't have to make their PC customers happy. So long as they sell enough to pay for the port from X-Box to PC, any other PC sales are gravy.

Fortunately (for me), there's no way I'll have finished Skyrim before April... and after that, well, there's plenty of companies out there who still are concerned with giving their PC customers the best possible experience.


1. Stop saying Bioware.
2. As others have said, if that were true we wouldn't even HAVE Origin.

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Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.


Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

:crying:


Maybe he was just trying to say, "we won't hate you for not buying Mass Effect."  I mean what else can he really say?  He can't trash-talk EA because he works for them.  He can't get down on his knees and beg, "please, please, please buy Mass Effect!!" (not very professional).  I guess he could try showing us some sympathy but that would be admitting he doesn't like Origin, which again, wouldn't look very good to his superiors.  Rock and a hard place.

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Rockworm503 wrote...

LOL its now entitlement to value my privacy now.
What morew ill the fanboys come up with.

It's not entitlement to value privacy.  It's entitlement to expect a large company to listen to you when you say that.  And I'm not a fanboy, btw.  I'm just mad at what a flea circus this whole thing has become.


Its interesting choice of words there.
Yes I feel like a flea in this regard.
It's no more entitlement than any other business.  What happened to the customers are alway right?  I'm not asking them to give me free stuff I'm asking them to just reword some of the EULA and I wouldn't have much of a problem with Origin.
Hell all I'm really asking is let me buy the game.  I can't in good concious in its current state.

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TheJiveDJ wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.


Mr. Woo, why do you take your fans and customers for granted? Not even a word of sympathy, or an attempt to persuade us to buy your game at a minimal level. I might have misunderstood your intent, but this roughly translate to, "we don't care if you buy our product or not, take it or leave it".

:crying:


Maybe he was just trying to say, "we won't hate you for not buying Mass Effect."  I mean what else can he really say?  He can't trash-talk EA because he works for them.  He can't get down on his knees and beg, "please, please, please buy Mass Effect!!" (not very professional).  I guess he could try showing us some sympathy but that would be admitting he doesn't like Origin, which again, wouldn't look very good to his superiors.  Rock and a hard place.


He could have , but I'm sure he's frustrated too over this storm.

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Chris Priestly states rather explicitly that Origin is coming with Mass Effect 3. It is up to you, the consumer, to choose whether to purchase the game (ie. accept the offer) or not purchase the game.


Ah, damn it, I had started writing a lengthy reply, but then I realized that I should already be sleeping for a long time now, and that it's just not worth it. It's really sad that my short but passionate relationship with Bioware (love DA:O & ME/ME2) seems to end in a rather ugly breakup. DA2, probably being the last Bioware game I played, was a huge disappointment, and as of now I won't play ME3 at all, which really saddens me, because there have been few games ever I was so looking forward to. Shame, but hey, c'est la vie.

Just please sticky the fracking thread. Image IPB


Or you could get ME3 anyways to see your trilogy through and say sayonara after the exciting conclusion like me. If you haven't already, you should try hopping on The Witcher train. It's headed to greener pastures.

Modifié par Complistic, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:05 .


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FYI
Newest version of Origin (8.4.1.210) still accesses the Internet Explorer folder Cache, History and Cookies and [userhome]/Cookies. I don't know why, I'm not using this browser.
I also don't know why Setup.exe searches for Desktop.ini in All users.WINDOWS Documents, [userhome]\\My Images and [userhome]\\My Music.
Origin.exe still crashes if the firewall blocked the complete traffic. On this point they have still work to do, unless EA will prevent you from playing wihtout sending data while Origin is running.
Running programs were not checked anymore during installation.

So, everybody who want to explain to me that Origin is working fine is not telling the truth. There is still something to do on this client.

Edit: spelling

Modifié par anzolino, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:07 .


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Rockworm503 wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

LOL its now entitlement to value my privacy now.
What morew ill the fanboys come up with.

It's not entitlement to value privacy.  It's entitlement to expect a large company to listen to you when you say that.  And I'm not a fanboy, btw.  I'm just mad at what a flea circus this whole thing has become.


Its interesting choice of words there.
Yes I feel like a flea in this regard.
It's no more entitlement than any other business.  What happened to the customers are alway right?  I'm not asking them to give me free stuff I'm asking them to just reword some of the EULA and I wouldn't have much of a problem with Origin.
Hell all I'm really asking is let me buy the game.  I can't in good concious in its current state.


They already have , and it clearly says before you install no private data will be used.It's up to you to accept what their telling you.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

TheJiveDJ wrote...

kofelover wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question.


Gotta be honest here. I hope Origin goes down like a fiery comet.


 Image IPB      Me too.


I'm inclined to agree....I mean unless they surprise us somehow and Origin becomes a higher quality product than Steam (doubtful given EA's track record).  I'm always open for some good ol' fashion competition but so far EA has failed to give me a good enough reason to use Origin other than, " because you have to".


Yes , but Origins is still in it's begining's.


Except it's just a rebranding of a product that has existed for years.


Yes , but they have a right to make their own digital platform and secure exclusive access.

I believe we were discussing fiery comets....

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anzolino wrote...

FYI
Newest version of Origin (8.4.1.210) still accesses the Internet Explorer folder Cache, History and Cookies and [userhome]/Cookies. I don't know why, I'm not using this browser.
I also don't know why Setup.exe searches for Desktop.ini in All users.WINDOWS Documents, [userhome]My Images and [userhome]My Music.
Origin.exe still crashes if the firewall blocked the complete traffic. On this point they have still work to do, unless EA will prevent you from playing wihtout sending data while Origin is running.
Running programs were not checked anymore during installation.

So, everebody who want to explain to me that Origin is working fine is not telling the truth. There is still something to do on this client.


It wants to set the mood and needs appropriate music.

Obviously.