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[Stanley Woo]

Merkar wrote...

As for Origin and ME3, Chris did imply that getting answers could take weeks.

These are official answers people are seeking, which can take time, since they would have to be approved by several if not many different parts of the company before being released. while you guys have a convenient "answer guy" in the form of Chris Priestly, he may not have a similar person he can just go to for answers. He may have to traverse the dreaded Information Gauntlet in order to get the answers he's seeking. On the up side, he might win a cruise if he hits the correct Answer Cake, but he may also lose a shoe to the wrong Question Mongoose.

Please won't someone think of his poor shoes?

[Stanley Woo]

Forbidden wrote...
 I'm the one being asked to give EA money for their software.  They want me to buy their games, I'm telling them what will convince me to do that.  As of now, they won't be getting any of my money if they require me to install malware along with it.   I enjoyed the previous two mass effects and dragon age, but there are plenty of other games that don't require malware.  I'll be playing those instead.

Sorry, Forbidden, but there's a small semantic difference. You are not being "asked to give EA money." EA is publishing a product and, through various retailers, offering a product for sale. They are not demanding anything, not forcing the customer to do anything, but in fact, are doing what all companies do with every product available for sale: they are encouraging, enticing, and trying to persuade ordinary people like you and other gamers to buy the product.

The customer, as always, chooses--using whatever criteria they wish--whether they accept what is being offered at the price at which is being offered, or not. All these people saying they won't buy the game are choosing to exercise their right as gamers and customers to not buy the game. That is great, and I respect and admire them for standing firm in their convictions and being responsible consumers. What I cannot and do not agree with is those same customers putting conditions on their purchases as if we were selling this game at a bazaar and haggling over price. That is not the relationship between buyer and seller here. As a publisher, EA is not going to take "counteroffers" or "conditions" from every individual gamer, least of all on BioWare's discussion forum. If you choose to buy Mass Effect 3, you are doing so with the full knowledge and (albeit grudging) acceptance that it comes with Origin. If you don't believe Origin is worth the cost (in money, features, privacy, or other principles), then you choose to not buy the product.

So continue to make a stand against Origin if you wish--awesome. Proudly proclaim your opinions regarding data privacy--fantastic. State your intentions to not buy if Origin is required--great! But Chris has already given you the answer that Mass Effect 3 will come with Origin and that Origin is required to play Mass Effect 3. Hoping for an eventual change is fine; demanding a change is not, at this time, productive. Sorry.

[Stanley Woo]

Hey folks, the argument in this thread is getting rather heated. Let's all take a few deep breaths and remember to be excellent to each other, even if (especially if) we disagree on things. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

And let's stop with the discussion of software piracy, please. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The original behavior of Origin and the original EULA combine to show original and true intent behind Origin. 


To be clear:  they wanted to do it, they tried to do it, they got caught doing it, they're claiming it was "a mistake", and they'll try to do it again when they think no one is looking or if they think they can get away with it later.

So changing Origin, for whatever reason, means nothing since the "original intent" will always be there? I'm all for debate and disagreement, Killjoy Cutter, but this is ridiculous. Many people in this are arguing for EA to change some of its wording and/or policies?

Are you arguing for a change, or arguing for EA to get a time machine to prevent Origin form being created int he first place? Because one is a ludicrous and impossible request, and the other appears rational.

[Stanley Woo]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

We keep seeing these "But it doesn't do that anymore!" posts as if that just fixes everything nice and dandy. 

But it doesn't. 

The only thing that will actually address the issue at hand is dumping the mandate for Origin on physical copies, because the history of Origin's behavior and EULA, because of the one-sided changeablility of the EULA, because of the long period of evasiveness regarding Origin and ME3, and because of EA's general history of acting like they don't give a (darn) as long as they manage to get the customers' money. 

So yes, the original intent will always matter -- we have absolutely no reason to trust EA to not keep attempting to do the same thing over and over. 

See also, Facebook. 

Then we have no argument, Killjoy Cutter. You're arguing for "no Origin" and we have already said ME3 will have Origin. If you're that paranoid about a company potentially changing their terms because it's stated in the "contract" that they can, you had better read the contracts for your credit cards, insurance policies, health plan, cell phone, and any other software you use.

Yes, sure, a changeable contract means that the risk of something bad happening is not zero. But remember that possibility and probability (or likelihood) are two very different things. It is possible for any person of a given nation to become that nation's rules, but how probable (or likely) is that to happen. And should you live your life banking on that possibility?

If you have that little trust in the comapny, Killjoy Cutter, then be done with it. Refuse to buy Mass Effect 3 due to Origin being required and that will be that. You will need fear a changing ME3 EULA no more. But if, on the other hand, you still really really want to play ME3 and hope to persuade EA to maybe change some of their policies (to the good, of course) in the future, the possibility, I imagine, is greater than zero. Maybe not much greater, but I imagine it's greater.

[Stanley Woo]

Since this discussion stopped being about Mass Effect 3 and is now discussing software piracy and MMOs, I'm going to shut it down for the time being. Chris may reverse the decision later.

End of line.