3659 réponses à ce sujet

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Well I finally caught up with this thread.
i've said all I can say.

Don't get  me worng I understand the anger from everyone , but at the same time evaluate the product first.

[eqzitara]

apixaez wrote...

eqzitara wrote...

People love their steam....
Steam has a great interface, connectivity, social(interface). Steam is also a service that overcharges and doesn't care because they know the user is to loyal/lazy to look around.
Amazon sells steam games(literally steam games) for 15%-25% off.
Direct2drive offers 5%+ off pre-orders of steam games.
Steam offers no discounts on their own games. Steam often charges retail prices on games while they get a much bigger commission the brick and mortar stores. They do not get stuck with unsold copies. They rarely are cheapest in prices unless it is game made and sold by them or indie.
I support Origin....not because its good but because it does what its supposed to. Its a little store that sells its game, often gives discounts. Price drops. Its not spyware and yes it does have a ****ty interface and doesnt offer many games. It OFTEN offers discounts on its games. Steam having competition will be a good excuse for them to stop robbing its customers.
Steam is itunes.

You must be joking..

Do you happen to miss how many sales they make during "sale events"?

When they off 75% or even 80% off for a game?

And other companies/services can offer different prices, depending on how they get their product. It's the same in RL. If you have a direct connection with a developer you can obviously offer it more cheaply than if you have a middleman or 2..

Or are you just trolling? I'm not entirely sure..

I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

Modifié par eqzitara, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[kofelover]

eqzitara wrote...

apixaez wrote...

eqzitara wrote...

People love their steam....
Steam has a great interface, connectivity, social(interface). Steam is also a service that overcharges and doesn't care because they know the user is to loyal/lazy to look around.
Amazon sells steam games(literally steam games) for 15%-25% off.
Direct2drive offers 5%+ off pre-orders of steam games.
Steam offers no discounts on their own games. Steam often charges retail prices on games while they get a much bigger commission the brick and mortar stores. They do not get stuck with unsold copies. They rarely are cheapest in prices unless it is game made and sold by them or indie.
I support Origin....not because its good but because it does what its supposed to. Its a little store that sells its game, often gives discounts. Price drops. Its not spyware and yes it does have a ****ty interface and doesnt offer many games. It OFTEN offers discounts on its games. Steam having competition will be a good excuse for them to stop robbing its customers.
Steam is itunes.

You must be joking..

Do you happen to miss how many sales they make during "sale events"?

When they off 75% or even 80% off for a game?

And other companies/services can offer different prices, depending on how they get their product. It's the same in RL. If you have a direct connection with a developer you can obviously offer it more cheaply than if you have a middleman or 2..

Or are you just trolling? I'm not entirely sure..

I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar.

I'll keep buying during the Summer and Winter sales and pay a fraction of those figures.

[BaronIveagh]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I am not here to be a shill. I am here to moderate the thread and try to engage in discussion when I can. I do not have the answers you seek, nor do I have the power to influence the kind of change you are asking for. But I can encourage people to exercise their consumer power, if this subject is indeed the breaking point for them.

Stanley, you and I have had discussions in the past about strange design choices and executive meddling, and I apoligize for my collegues attitude.  I am aware that you are not in a position to make decisions, and these come down from EA executives so far removed from the sharp end of game design that they might as well be on another continent. 

The issue is that the gamers care about bioware and it's success, and are frustraited by what appears to be a very, very bad move in the works (apocalyptically bad).  While I joke about ME3 having a 'Most Pirated Game of the Year' edition comming soon, I would prefer that it was not thus. 

EA doesn't seem to understand that Steam was made successful by a large number of companies all 'buying in' as it were, not simply Valve going it alone.  Even Microsoft had several companies work with them for Windows Live.  EA is big, but it's not Microsoft big, and buy forcing people to do something they do not wish to do, they're alienating customers and drving them toward competing products.

[Rockworm503]

eqzitara wrote...

apixaez wrote...

eqzitara wrote...

People love their steam....
Steam has a great interface, connectivity, social(interface). Steam is also a service that overcharges and doesn't care because they know the user is to loyal/lazy to look around.
Amazon sells steam games(literally steam games) for 15%-25% off.
Direct2drive offers 5%+ off pre-orders of steam games.
Steam offers no discounts on their own games. Steam often charges retail prices on games while they get a much bigger commission the brick and mortar stores. They do not get stuck with unsold copies. They rarely are cheapest in prices unless it is game made and sold by them or indie.
I support Origin....not because its good but because it does what its supposed to. Its a little store that sells its game, often gives discounts. Price drops. Its not spyware and yes it does have a ****ty interface and doesnt offer many games. It OFTEN offers discounts on its games. Steam having competition will be a good excuse for them to stop robbing its customers.
Steam is itunes.

You must be joking..

Do you happen to miss how many sales they make during "sale events"?

When they off 75% or even 80% off for a game?

And other companies/services can offer different prices, depending on how they get their product. It's the same in RL. If you have a direct connection with a developer you can obviously offer it more cheaply than if you have a middleman or 2..

Or are you just trolling? I'm not entirely sure..

I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

You missed the holiday sales.
Everything was like a fraction of this at one point.
Sure its not EVERY day like the great wonderful Amazon

[eqzitara]

[/quote]
I'll keep buying during the Summer and Winter sales and pay a fraction of those figures.[/quote]

Welcome to video game economy wait time after release. Pay less money for games. Sad thing is when you guys see the 30% off 40% off on steam games you jump on it... And its still cheaper everywhere else. Id rather buy it sooner rather then later for the same price. Thanks.

Modifié par eqzitara, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:37 .

[slimgrin]

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Steam is half the problem. Steam is why Origin exists in the first place. People need to quit apologizing for Steam, cause guess what? It's a required client as well.

Yea thats a good scapegoat.

Steam doesn't make me feel dirty using it.  You can sprout this "all DRM is bad" nonesense all you want Steam can hardly be considered DRM in any sense as far as I'm conserned.

What's wrong with buying and owning a game without a client?

Steam is one of the first services to say "you are required to install our client."  I don't want their advertisements, or their DRM requirements. I don't want anything to do with them.

Game sellers do not need to do this.  What do I want? The game. I shouldn't be obligated to anything else.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:39 .

[Dragoonlordz]

vallore wrote...

Paranoia? Hardly. If Origins had never done anything dubious, and the EULA was worded to guarantee users rights, suspicion that it could be used to data mine one’s computer could be described as paranoia.

But apparently Origin was seen to go where it shouldn’t before, by multiple witnesses, (including what appears to be some credible movies of the act), and the EULA was worded in such a way that allows for it, (and still does),  and, on top of it, a previous EULA stated that EA might sell collected data, (if I remember correctly), and even now EA may share it. So, it seems to me there are strong, valid reasons to want a clarification of this issue. To dismiss  it so lightly seems a tad hasty.

And Germany tried to take over the world. Doesn't mean I think they will try it again. Just because someone or something did do something wrong does not mean it will again and yes it was far exaggerated example but the principle is the same. Is it possible , yes but it is up to the individual to decide if they will ever trust someone again. I told you my stance and unfortunately that is not one you seem like will ever share so I have to query why did you ask the question if you already have your answer decided prior. The problem is if you come into a debate with a closed mind asking question that someone tries to answer then dismiss it without much regard then it is hard to come to the conclusion that you went into it with an open mind from the beginning. Now granted on retrospect I guess I could of used the word trust instead of paranoia but the one I used was only one that sprang to mind at the time and I even explained I did not think it was the best possible word can use but was only one that popped into mind at the time. This I said before even used the word on same sentence.

I guess it could mean that, which is why I’m looking for answers an not simply left, but it begs a question; why not to call it by the name then? Why use terms that can be translated to mean anything in the user’s computer? Especially after all that happened regarding it, it seems very inappropriate, in my opinion.

I cannot answer that last question, only EA can answer that and I do not think even Bioware can answer why EA uses whatever words it chooses to use. I do not think posting that question here will get your the correct answer without asking the people who created it themselves which is EA. I merely tried to answer any question to best of my knowledge and I am sorry that was not able to resolve your issues with this in which case there is nothing more I can do regarding your questions, but good luck getting answers on them and hope you do get the answers even if it is possible they may not be ones wish to hear. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[shepskisaac]

eqzitara wrote...

I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

Why are they never any DLC sales on Origin or BioWare's own store?

[apixaez]

eqzitara wrote...

apixaez wrote...

eqzitara wrote...

People love their steam....
Steam has a great interface, connectivity, social(interface). Steam is also a service that overcharges and doesn't care because they know the user is to loyal/lazy to look around.
Amazon sells steam games(literally steam games) for 15%-25% off.
Direct2drive offers 5%+ off pre-orders of steam games.
Steam offers no discounts on their own games. Steam often charges retail prices on games while they get a much bigger commission the brick and mortar stores. They do not get stuck with unsold copies. They rarely are cheapest in prices unless it is game made and sold by them or indie.
I support Origin....not because its good but because it does what its supposed to. Its a little store that sells its game, often gives discounts. Price drops. Its not spyware and yes it does have a ****ty interface and doesnt offer many games. It OFTEN offers discounts on its games. Steam having competition will be a good excuse for them to stop robbing its customers.
Steam is itunes.

You must be joking..

Do you happen to miss how many sales they make during "sale events"?

When they off 75% or even 80% off for a game?

And other companies/services can offer different prices, depending on how they get their product. It's the same in RL. If you have a direct connection with a developer you can obviously offer it more cheaply than if you have a middleman or 2..

Or are you just trolling? I'm not entirely sure..

I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

I think it may be best if I simply ignore you as you keep ranting about things you blatantly are misinformed about or not informed about at all. Thank you for your input, it's noted.

[Rockworm503]

[quote]eqzitara wrote...


[/quote]
I'll keep buying during the Summer and Winter sales and pay a fraction of those figures.[/quote]

Welcome to video game economy wait time after release. Pay less money for games. Sad thing is when you guys see the 30% off 40% off on steam games you jump on it... And its still cheaper everywhere else. Id rather buy it sooner rather then later for the same price. Thanks.

[/quote]

How long was Amazon doing this?

Because the Steam sales have been around for years
It seems like their reacting to what Steam did first.
Hence Origin.

[Yuoaman]

eqzitara wrote...
I think you are ignoring the fact that the "middle""middle man" often has better prices of games then they offer. WHY DOES AMAZON ALWAYS OFFER STEAM GAMES AT 25% OFF?Are you saying amazon is making 0% profit? Or are you saying that steam has inflated prices that? There are no 2 ways about it.
Why is dead Island 40.00 on steam
30.00 on gamestop(STEAM COPY)
27.20 on amazon.com

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

Why is space marine 50.00 on steam
42 amazon(retail copy)42 steam copy

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

Because Valve can't afford to sell things that low year-round - which is why they have their sales.

Modifié par Yuoaman, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:39 .

[Rockworm503]

slimgrin wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Steam is half the problem. Steam is why Origin exists in the first place. People need to quit apologizing for Steam, cause guess what? It's a required client as well.

Yea thats a good scapegoat.

Steam doesn't make me feel dirty using it.  You can sprout this "all DRM is bad" nonesense all you want Steam can hardly be considered DRM in any sense as far as I'm conserned.

What's wrong with buying and owning a game without a client?

Steam is one of the first services to say "you are required to install our client."  I don't want their advertisements, or their DRM requirements. I don't want anything to do with them.

Game sellers do not need to do this.  What do I want? The game. I shouldn't obligated to anything else.

Welcome to the future of gaming.
As much as I hate Origin right now its not going away.  Nor do I expect it to.  You either have to accept that or enjoy very limited amount of games.

[Stanley Woo]

At this point, the discussion is veering towards a discussion about Steam. So let's please try and keep this on track so that the discussion about Origin and Mass Effect 3 (and any other/specific/big) questions you have regarding how they work together) can be made known. Thank you, and i appreciate all the support I and BioWare have gotten in this thread.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Steam is half the problem. Steam is why Origin exists in the first place. People need to quit apologizing for Steam, cause guess what? It's a required client as well.

Yea thats a good scapegoat.

Steam doesn't make me feel dirty using it.  You can sprout this "all DRM is bad" nonesense all you want Steam can hardly be considered DRM in any sense as far as I'm conserned.

What's wrong with buying and owning a game without a client?

Steam is one of the first services to say "you are required to install our client."  I don't want their advertisements, or their DRM requirements. I don't want anything to do with them.

Game sellers do not need to do this.  What do I want? The game. I shouldn't obligated to anything else.

Welcome to the future of gaming.
As much as I hate Origin right now its not going away.  Nor do I expect it to.  You either have to accept that or enjoy very limited amount of games.

Pretty much , though I believe onlive is the future.

[eqzitara]

IsaacShep wrote...
DLC sales on Origin or BioWare's own store?

Xbox live, steam games, ps3. Who offers dlc sales? They wait for the sequel before giving discounts if they bother.

[Dragoonlordz]

kofelover wrote...

I'll keep buying during the Summer and Winter sales and pay a fraction of those figures.

During the winter sales I also tried looking at places for some games I was after even though Steam sales were on and even the games I wanted were discounted in Steam, they were cheaper elsewhere. Now maybe I just got unlucky in that I was after specific titles rather than picking the cheapest random title not on my to get list because it had biggest discount. In which case maybe Steam does have the cheapest titles during holidays, but it does not have the cheapest specific titles that all people are after during those periods.

@Edit : Didnt see Stanley's post till after click reply so personally dropping Steam topic now too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[Rockworm503]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...



Pretty much , though I believe onlive is the future.

That scares me more than Origin.

[SirLysander]

IsaacShep wrote...

SirLysander wrote...

EXCEPT - the "This week" numbers are for the WEEK ENDING Jan 14, 2012. 

The Origin Announcement was in the afternoon, Friday, January 13, 2012.

The weekly drop in preorders has another reason, but Origin's announcement was more than likely too late to have any meaningful effect.

1,5 days is enough for many people to cancel their pre-orders which would influence the weekly growth number radically. Especially since many gaming websites were posting articles on this already on Friday and Saturday

Your argument depends on how the numbers are caluclated - they may simply be numbers of new orders, not an aggregate of new orders less cancellations.  I have no interest in digging into the methodology, only pointing out that it's a statistic that is almost out of date and should be taken into context as a statistic with respect to Mr. Twain's oberservation thereof.

I also remember discussions of stores running out of pre-order copies to sell; if it's not available to purchase, there canot be high purchase numbers.

I'm not certain that IS the case - the better indicator will be if THIS week (post Origin Announcement) has any different numbers rather than last week (effectively PRE Announcement).

Aaleel wrote...

Who said it had anything to do with the announcement.  People have been talking about canceling pre orders for weeks.  They probably had gotten tired of waiting for answers, and just didn't pre order until they got an answer ot some may have cancelled.

The context in which the statistics were posted leads to an inference of "Look what the Origin Announcement caused!"

[eqzitara]

Yuoaman wrote...

Because Valve can't afford to sell things that low year-round - which is why they have their sales.

Except they can give amazon.com/direct2drive/gamestop discounts on steam copies of games? You do know both parties make money still right?

Modifié par eqzitara, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[Xivai]

Lost a sale, they have.

[photographerleia]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

I am not here to be a shill. I am here to moderate the thread and try to engage in discussion when I can. I do not have the answers you seek, nor do I have the power to influence the kind of change you are asking for. But I can encourage people to exercise their consumer power, if this subject is indeed the breaking point for them.

Stanley, you and I have had discussions in the past about strange design choices and executive meddling, and I apoligize for my collegues attitude.  I am aware that you are not in a position to make decisions, and these come down from EA executives so far removed from the sharp end of game design that they might as well be on another continent. 

The issue is that the gamers care about bioware and it's success, and are frustraited by what appears to be a very, very bad move in the works (apocalyptically bad).  While I joke about ME3 having a 'Most Pirated Game of the Year' edition comming soon, I would prefer that it was not thus. 

EA doesn't seem to understand that Steam was made successful by a large number of companies all 'buying in' as it were, not simply Valve going it alone.  Even Microsoft had several companies work with them for Windows Live.  EA is big, but it's not Microsoft big, and buy forcing people to do something they do not wish to do, they're alienating customers and drving them toward competing products.

Well I do not like what I hear in his last post, but his tone was certainly respectful and he said just about as much as you would expect him to be able to say.  As angry as I am at Bioware/EA, that anger lies with those who have the ability to make the right decision but choose not to.  As we know that Stanley does not fall into that camp, I atleast appreciate the tone of what he has to say even if I do not care for the actual words.

BaronIveagh, you state the issues at hand well.

Modifié par photographerleia, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[shepskisaac]

eqzitara wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
DLC sales on Origin or BioWare's own store?

Xbox live, steam games, ps3. Who offers dlc sales? They wait for the sequel before giving discounts if they bother.

Lul what? All 3 offer multiple DLC sales throughout the year including new DLCs for new games. It's EA that never offers any DLC sales for PC gamers.