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[Rudy Lis]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Probably , but we don't know for sure.

Well, many thing in history were invented in parallel or reinvented several times. IMHO in our "modern times of instant messaging" idea was practically in the air and Valve were there amongs first who catch it. So to speak.

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Ok , for SP this won't be a problem if that's your worrry about dropped connection.

What's the problem with MP? Not that I'm great expert in multiplayer, but most of my Steam disconnects in MP were ISP related, not Steam. On the contrary, Origin crashed quite often, regardless of what I played in - be that BF3 or DA2.

And since our good host moderator asking us to keep up the thread, I still want to hear any words on Origin's off-line mode improving. Because of there will be no improvement, I doubt I'll play ME3 till the world ends.

[GirlPower23]

eqzitara wrote...

Why is Batman Arkham City 50.00 on steam.
37.00 on amazon(retail copy)
25.00 on gamestop(digital)25.00 retail.

You keep worshiping steam. They will keep worshipping the dollar....Your dollar.

You are aware that Arkham City is not a Steamworks game outside of Steam right, so you would not be able to activate it on Steam. 

[Harley_Dude]

You are having the choice of Steam or Amazon for DLC taken away thus giving EA monopoly pricing for all DLC, including the 'DLC' they will ship within the game.

[Rockworm503]

AlanC9 wrote...

MysterD wrote...

Onlive is NOT the future, as far as I'm conerned. Not everybody in the world is going to have very fast Internet connections and crazy allowed transfer rates for data.

Itals mine. Not everybody will have those things. But the vast majority will.

I should be allowed to store and install my game on my own HDD. Cloud Gaming should be an ADDITIONAL OPTION, not a requirement.

The problem is that there's no legal mechanism fo force EA to release games the way you want rather than the way they want.

Indeed all EULAs (not just Origin) state that their giving us the liscense to use the game their not selling it to use)  Thats where EA and Onlive are different Onlive doesn't even pretend their doing anything but renting you the game even if you pay for full purchase.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:04 .

[AlanC9]

Snake Vargas wrote...
1. It may be the case that EA told Bioware that they had to use Origin. It is obviously the case that Bioware did not say to EA, "Hey, ya know, we just developed the biggest MMO since WoW for you guys... and we kinda own to major IPs (Dragon Age & Mass Effect), and we don't want to screw our customers over this time." The relationship between publisher and developer is not the same as the relationship between boss and employee, especially when the developer is as valuable an asset as Bioware. There is no reason to suppose that Bioware is not entirely complicit in foisting Origin on their customers.

This is badly confused. Bioware is owned outright by EA. It isn't a publisher/developer relationship at all.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:04 .

[BaronIveagh]

Sadly, I suspect that even if Bioware were to convince EA to not include Origins, that it's long since gone to the manufacturer and cannot be recalled at this late date, much to the frustration of mods and, undoubtedly, Bioware.

[shepskisaac]

wolfsite wrote...

Mass Effect and Mirror's Edge.  However your orignal post stated they never have DLC sales or offer additional content, I was merely pointing that the do.

Yes, you are correct, they have DLC on sale that's available the 'normal' way, direct payement (that's how I bought Pinnacle Station, would never pay the usual pice for it lol). Anything that's bought via points (means majority of DLC for their games) never goes on sales. Points are alwasy specifically excluded. There was only one case you could buy points cheaper, it was in October, exclusive to US and only applied to 800 BioWare points pack which in retrospect, looks like it was an error rather than planned DLC sale for ME2/DA2.

BaronIveagh wrote...

Sadly, I suspect that even if Bioware were to convince EA to not include Origins, that it's long since gone to the manufacturer and cannot be recalled at this late date, much to the frustration of mods and, undoubtedly, Bioware.

No. The game is not gold yet which means manfuactures don't have mother discs.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[Burori]

Stanley Woo wrote...

At this point, the discussion is veering towards a discussion about Steam. So let's please try and keep this on track so that the discussion about Origin and Mass Effect 3 (and any other/specific/big) questions you have regarding how they work together) can be made known. Thank you, and i appreciate all the support I and BioWare have gotten in this thread.

As I asked earlier but it seems my question was really buried in all this.

Why this transaction to Origin on Retail games? What is the point of it?

[Dragoonlordz]

IsaacShep wrote...
No. The game is not gold yet which means manfuactures don't have mother discs. 

I know you mean't to say Master Discs, but your type made me laugh. Just imagining mother and baby discs. 

[shepskisaac]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
No. The game is not gold yet which means manfuactures don't have mother discs. 

I know you mean't to say Master Discs, but your type made me laugh. Just imagining mother and baby discs. 

I thought it's called that way too. I know it is sometimes in Polish so

[MysterD]

2late2die wrote...

I just wanted to give my 2 cents because I've been a long BioWare fan and I'm not liking where things are heading.

It was an unfortunate decision by EA to block ME3 from Steam. Heck, it was an unfortunate decision to block any EA games from Steam, period. Nobody is buying EA's excuses in that regard, it is patently obvious to anyone who's even a little bit familiar with EA what this is exactly.

Due to this attitude, EA already lost $60 on me for BF3, and will lose at least another $140 for ME3 deluxe edition and Kingdom of Amalur. And I know I'm not the only on whom EA will be losing money because of this. It is unfortunate that BioWare has been caught in the middle of this as I think they're still making some of the best games out there.

The irony of it all is that I don't even have anything against Origin itself, and if EA, instead of blocking its games from Steam, simply offered better deals on them I would've bough them on Origin. In addition to Steam I use Impulse, GoG and D2D - I go where the deals are. I do not however support publishers who feel that the best way to attract more customers is by bully tactics.

Like yourself, I go where the deals go -- Steam, Origin, GOG, Amazon Downloads, D2D, GameStop App [formerly Impulse], Gamersgate...whatever.

Steam has a new rule where game + ALL DLC content must be sold on Steam [as long as they are not already grandfathered in before the rule came out and don't get new DLC's/updates]. Steam wants to sell complete products to their user-base...and probably take a cut of the DLC since it is being sold there, too. Plus, Steam wants all patches released distributed through Steam, as well. Most Steam games, you MUST run Steam in the program.

EA wants to sell DLC through their own service. EA  wants patches for their games to be released through them directly.

There you go. There's the conflict of interests w/ EA and Valve.

Also, Steam forces their client upon the user period. D2D, Gamersgate, GameStop PC App [formerly Impulse] don't force a client upon the user - hence why EA sells most of their newest games on those services.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:13 .

[Incognito JC]

[spam post removed]

Edit: Sorry, couldn't resist

Modifié par Incognito JC, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:21 .

[MysterD]

Burori wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

At this point, the discussion is veering towards a discussion about Steam. So let's please try and keep this on track so that the discussion about Origin and Mass Effect 3 (and any other/specific/big) questions you have regarding how they work together) can be made known. Thank you, and i appreciate all the support I and BioWare have gotten in this thread.

As I asked earlier but it seems my question was really buried in all this.

Why this transaction to Origin on Retail games? What is the point of it?

For a while, many retail games have shifted to using Internet-based DRM on retail products.

I would guess this is done so there's less different versions of the game to patch. This way, they only patch the Origin version of the game.

It must've been annoying for the dev's w/ Mass Effect 2 PC - where you had a DVD disc version; Internet-based DRM version to patch [Non-Steam]; and then a Steam version to patch.

Patching 3 different versions must've costed $, time, and resources.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:21 .

[Siegdrifa]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Sadly, I suspect that even if Bioware were to convince EA to not include Origins, that it's long since gone to the manufacturer and cannot be recalled at this late date, much to the frustration of mods and, undoubtedly, Bioware.

This is not a problem, this is what patch are for, the protection works because the EXE make it do so, and often, each patch mean a new updated clean EXE to replace the older.
Most of the code of the game is in the EXE, and it is very easy to edit for the EA / Bioware devs in order to do whatever they want with the protection.

[Rockworm503]

Stanley Woo wrote...

[spam post removed]

I fail to see how that was spam it was very much relevent.

[Mike Shepard]

AlanC9 wrote...

Snake Vargas wrote...
1. It may be the case that EA told Bioware that they had to use Origin. It is obviously the case that Bioware did not say to EA, "Hey, ya know, we just developed the biggest MMO since WoW for you guys... and we kinda own to major IPs (Dragon Age & Mass Effect), and we don't want to screw our customers over this time." The relationship between publisher and developer is not the same as the relationship between boss and employee, especially when the developer is as valuable an asset as Bioware. There is no reason to suppose that Bioware is not entirely complicit in foisting Origin on their customers.

This is badly confused. Bioware is owned outright by EA. It isn't a publisher/developer relationship at all.

Also, the sad fact: Electronic Arts ("EA") owns Mass Effect and Dragon Age. If they didn't like what BioWare was doing they'd rip the studio to shreds, distribute them around the company or lay them off, and find someone else to make the games. BioWare has creative control over them, however the rights to the franchises are owned by Electronic Arts as is the BioWare name

on topic...I am not crazy about Origin but if I eventually buy the DDE (as in when it goes down in price, I actually got the Mass Effect 2 DDE for $10 when it was on sale) I will just use it. I rarely run it, and the computer I have it on is literally my gaming PC, nothing else but that. So I am good there.

[MysterD]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

MysterD wrote...

For a while, many retail games have shifted to using Internet-based DRM on retail products.

I would guess this is done so there's less different versions of the game to patch. This way, they only patch the Origin version of the game.

It must've been annoying for the dev's w/ Mass Effect 2 PC - where you had a DVD disc version; Internet-based DRM version to patch [Non-Steam]; and then a Steam version to patch.

Patching 3 different versions must've costed $, time, and resources.

What? My retail copy of ME2 had online activation. Is that not DRM? There were only two versions.

My ME2 PC Retail Box copy has a simple DVD-disc check (Securom disc check).
I bought it not too long after the game was released.

I have no clue if later disc released versions, they switched the DRM for those to Internet-based solution.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[Burori]

MysterD wrote...

Burori wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

At this point, the discussion is veering towards a discussion about Steam. So let's please try and keep this on track so that the discussion about Origin and Mass Effect 3 (and any other/specific/big) questions you have regarding how they work together) can be made known. Thank you, and i appreciate all the support I and BioWare have gotten in this thread.

As I asked earlier but it seems my question was really buried in all this.

Why this transaction to Origin on Retail games? What is the point of it?

For a while, many retail games have shifted to using Internet-based DRM on retail products.

I would guess this is done so there's less different versions of the game to patch. This way, they only patch the Origin version of the game.

It must've been annoying for the dev's w/ Mass Effect 2 PC - where you had a DVD disc version; Internet-based DRM version to patch [Non-Steam]; and then a Steam version to patch.

Patching 3 different versions must've costed $, time, and resources.

Granted that would make more sense. But I have seen patches being created for Hardware and software. The process for most does not effect much time in creating the different varieties of code if the person knows what they are doing. As well judging how this is going right now with EA and Valve I highly doubt Steam would be getting their own copies which resides in only a two variety disk system (or in this case now because of this mess one) working off of Origin. 

The whole purpose of me buying a retail disk was to avoid the additional software that I would now have to install.

Modifié par Burori, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:32 .

[MysterD]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

MysterD wrote...
My ME2 PC Retail Box copy has a simple DVD-disc check (Securom disc check).
I bought it not too long after the game was released.

I have no clue if later disc released versions, they switched the DRM for those to Internet-based solution.

Maybe so, I bought mine in November 2010.

Just checked.
Yeah, my ME2 PC retail box copy boots from a simple DVD-disc check.

[Frek]

Chris Priestly wrote...

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

I'm very dissappointed that Origin is being forced on us regardless of where we buy it.

I'll be heading to Amazon to cancel my pre-order for the collectors editon after this post. I own ME 1 and 2 on both PC and Xbox because I loved the series. I draw the line at being forced to install Origin because of EA's petty dispute with Steam.

I will still play the demo as I'm a big fan of Reckoning. If you check my profile from here and the old Bioboards you'll see that I own every game you guys have ever made, often on both PC and Xbox. This will be the first game that isn't a day 1 purchase. End of an era.

[DTKT]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
No. The game is not gold yet which means manfuactures don't have mother discs. 

I know you mean't to say Master Discs, but your type made me laugh. Just imagining mother and baby discs. 

A gold copy is actually called  a "master". Just FYI. 

[MysterD]

Burori wrote...

MysterD wrote...

Burori wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

At this point, the discussion is veering towards a discussion about Steam. So let's please try and keep this on track so that the discussion about Origin and Mass Effect 3 (and any other/specific/big) questions you have regarding how they work together) can be made known. Thank you, and i appreciate all the support I and BioWare have gotten in this thread.

As I asked earlier but it seems my question was really buried in all this.

Why this transaction to Origin on Retail games? What is the point of it?

For a while, many retail games have shifted to using Internet-based DRM on retail products.

I would guess this is done so there's less different versions of the game to patch. This way, they only patch the Origin version of the game.

It must've been annoying for the dev's w/ Mass Effect 2 PC - where you had a DVD disc version; Internet-based DRM version to patch [Non-Steam]; and then a Steam version to patch.

Patching 3 different versions must've costed $, time, and resources.

Granted that would make more sense. But I have seen patches being created for Hardware and software. The process for most does not effect much time in creating the different varieties of code if the person knows what they are doing. As well judging how this is going right now with EA and Valve I highly doubt Steam would be getting their own copies which resides in only a two variety disk system (or in this case now because of this mess one) working off of Origin. 

The whole purpose of me buying a retail disk was to avoid the additional software that I would now have to install.

Love it or hate it, many Steamworks and G4WL games have been forcing their service upon you even at the Retail Box level nowadays.

It's just....EA's deciding to join the party lately w/ BF3 and now ME3.

I think this trend is just going to continue w/ games for ALL Versions [Internet, Retail, etc] bind themselves to a specfic game-client program.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:45 .