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[Symphyon]

Still buying it anyway origin or no origin. Already playing Battlefield 3 on Origin, so no harm playing Mass Effect 3 on pc. No point going to console now.

Now GFWL, now that's one that will make me change my mind.

Modifié par Symphyon, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:50 .

[MysterD]

Symphyon wrote...

Still buying it anyway origin or no origin. Already playing Battlefield 3 on Origin, so no harm playing Mass Effect 3 on pc. No point going to console now.

Now GFWL, now that's one that will make me change my mind.

I've never had much problems w/ G4WL, luckily.

Probably helps that I normally back-up my saves elsewhere, just in case - since we do know the problems of disappearing saves w/ G4WL.

I'll take Steam and Origin over G4WL, though.

Modifié par MysterD, 17 janvier 2012 - 04:18 .

[Ravenknight]

eqzitara wrote...

People love their steam....
Steam has a great interface, connectivity, social(interface). Steam is also a service that overcharges and doesn't care because they know the user is to loyal/lazy to look around.
Amazon sells steam games(literally steam games) for 15%-25% off.
Direct2drive offers 5%+ off pre-orders of steam games.
Steam offers no discounts on their own games. Steam often charges retail prices on games while they get a much bigger commission the brick and mortar stores. They do not get stuck with unsold copies. They rarely are cheapest in prices unless it is game made and sold by them or indie.
I support Origin....not because its good but because it does what its supposed to. Its a little store that sells its game, often gives discounts. Price drops. Its not spyware and yes it does have a ****ty interface and doesnt offer many games. It OFTEN offers discounts on its games. Steam having competition will be a good excuse for them to stop robbing its customers.
Steam is itunes.
Do I use steam?Yes.Do I use amazon?Yes.Do I use direct2drive?Yes. Do I use Origin?Yes. I dont play direct2drive, I dont play steam, I dont even play Origin. I play games.
Buy it amazon.com's digital download service.  So you can play more games.

A random sample of some games Steam "overcharged" me for:

Apr 12, 2011     $4.99       Purchase     Bioshock 2
 
Apr 12, 2011     $4.99       Purchase     Bioshock
Jul 1, 2011        $59.97     Purchase    Star Wars: KOTOR,
                                                                    Fallout 3 - Game of the Year, 
                                                                    Dead Space Pack
         
Aug 25, 2011     $22.49    Purchase     Borderlands GOTY - Four Pack
Dec 20, 2011     $17.37    Purchase    The Witcher: Enhanced Edition, 
                                                                    Lost Planet 2, 
                                                                    Duke Nukem Forever
         
Nov 16, 2011     $6.24       Purchase    Oblivion Game of the Year Deluxe

Can't even begin to imagine what you would consider to be a deal.


Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Mar 3, 2011  $59.99 Purchase Dragon Age II (preorder)

I had never even HEARD of Dragon Age before this. Yet, I found the game entertaining enough to go and do this:

Mar 20, 2011 $39.99 Purchase Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition

Again, on Steam.

You see, I am a prime example of just why Steam DOES actually earn the cut of the profits they demand. They provided EA with access to their customer base (me... and about 30-40 million others) in order for them to hock their wares (get it.. hock? ahhh what do you know from funny). I really have no desire to install an inferior product onto my system in order to have access to a game I legally obtained via the exchange of legal tender. (For the record, I have purchased no DLC for DA2 since the row began over oppressive TOS'.)

Frankly, I don't care if ME3 isn't sold on Steam, I just find it rather hollow that the defense of Origin (Hallowed are the Ori) involves accusing Steam of doing the same thing. If you hate Steam so much for doing it, why defend this? Why not ask that EA make installation and use optional, and incorporate that into the marketing strategy for it? "Use our client! We don't force you to! (unlike those OTHER guys!)" Eventually, over time, and with the cultivation of trust, I wouldn't bother with the hassle of uninstalling and reinstalling. Heck, if they actually DID put some deals out (you know.. COMPETE with Steam), I might actually buy a game or two (or more, and certainly without resorting to the use of black ships and cursed pearls). Choice makes ME a great game to play. Choice makes LIFE great too (and not just the cereal). You want to stand out in a market choked by more and more oppressive DRM? Break away from the crowd. Being an industry leader, I'm pretty sure others would follow. And that would mean more happy gamers.

And happy gamers = happy stockholders.

[Sundance31us]

Pupuppu wrote...
The decline of presales for the PC began around the beginning of this year. Until that point PC and PS3 were almost at the same level, sometimes with even more presales on the PC. In the week after the 1st of January physical PC Sales began to fall at a steady level to almost non existing, while the PS3 showed an opposite linear trend. XBOX sales at the same time skyrocketed.
No idea if this has to do with some preoder-bonuses announcments, Origin accusations or money people got at christmas{smilie}

I would also point out that threads (both hear and on another forum which I will not link to) about the Collector's Edition being sold out at gaming stores started about 8 days ago.

http://social.biowar...3/index/8947444

[Captain_Obvious_au]

How can the discussion not become one about Steam? It's a massively superior product to Origin, and EA is the only big player who is complaining about Steams rules.

Is Bioware/EA actually working with Steam to get the game on Steam?

[grendel-khan]

 As much as I love Bioware games.....and as much as I want to see how Shepard's life/career ends...

I CAN NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS GAME IF ORIGIN IS REQUIRED FOR PC.

If all future Bioware games require Origin, then as sad as it is to say, then I will no longer play a new Bioware game.

[Adain878]

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

[Atakuma]

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

Or more likely they just don't care.

[Incognito JC]

Atakuma wrote...

Or more likely they just don't care.

^ This. Always a possibility.

(You sure live up to your sig)

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Atakuma wrote...

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

Or more likely they just don't care.

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

[Adain878]

Mainly referring to PC gamers and the debacle that was the MW2 boycott. Although in my defense I haven't bought a COD game since the first.

[Stanley Woo]

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

There is also the distinct possibility that "gamer's [sic] as a collective" may simply disagree with you. I cannot speak for all gamers, but I'm surprised at how many people on the internet seem to be able to. then again, if we always agreed all of the time, the world would be a dull place indeed.

[Yuoaman]

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

Weak willed because I want to play the latest game in my favorite video game series regardless of the ****ty client required to play it?

Modifié par Yuoaman, 17 janvier 2012 - 04:49 .

[Adain878]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

There is also the distinct possibility that "gamer's [sic] as a collective" may simply disagree with you. I cannot speak for all gamers, but I'm surprised at how many people on the internet seem to be able to. then again, if we always agreed all of the time, the world would be a dull place indeed.

Admittedly its a bit of a blanket statement. Queue vocal minority and all that fun stuff. But as I said in my earlier post I'm mainly refering to the MW2 boycott as an example.  Petitions, Rage, and everything else under the sun. Come release day  you find the majority of the people in the Steam group playing the game. 

In the end im just trying to say if the people that care about this ever want to make a point that will be heard it'll take a large number just not buying the game. I'll be one of those people, I gave Origin a chance with BF3. It is trash in my opinion. As a company I trust Valve over EA, I have had better experience with valve whether that be in the front end application, or the customer service provided.

I'll make my point with my wallet even if it'll be insignificant.

[AnsinJung]

Will I be able to play Mass Effect 3 if my Internet dies? I was unable to do so with Steam, until my Internet came back very briefly, where I fortunately had time to find out how to enter Steam's offline mode by searching Google. From what I'm hearing, Origin doesn't have a truly offline mode where you can play if your Internet dies.

Should I remove all potentially sensitive data to my old PC, which isn't plugged into anything, including the wall, if I want to prevent Origin from looking at data on my PC, in non Mass Effect-related files?

I don't have a lot of options here; I cannot afford a console. I would rather not have my best option be to miss playing ME3, but if the Origin rumors are true, or if it works as badly as some people say, why should I take the chance? EA should learn to work for consumer loyalty, not just buy more popular developers and corrupt what made them popular in the first place. If this is true "long term planning," then I want a horse, a gun, and a mortal enemy called Liberty Valance.

[Stanley Woo]

Adain878 wrote...
Admittedly its a bit of a blanket statement. Queue vocal minority and all that fun stuff. But as I said in my earlier post I'm mainly refering to the MW2 boycott as an example.  Petitions, Rage, and everything else under the sun. Come release day  you find the majority of the people in the Steam group playing the game. 

In the end im just trying to say if the people that care about this ever want to make a point that will be heard it'll take a large number just not buying the game. I'll be one of those people, I gave Origin a chance with BF3. It is trash in my opinion. As a company I trust Valve over EA, I have had better experience with valve whether that be in the front end application, or the customer service provided.

I'll make my point with my wallet even if it'll be insignificant.

I respect your position and admire your determination. i also hold out the hope that some of those who choose not to buy due to Origin will have cause to change their minds, and that they remain within our community to keep talking to us.

[Yuoaman]

AnsinJung wrote...

Will I be able to play Mass Effect 3 if my Internet dies? I was unable to do so with Steam, until my Internet came back very briefly, where I fortunately had time to find out how to enter Steam's offline mode by searching Google. From what I'm hearing, Origin doesn't have a truly offline mode where you can play if your Internet dies.

Should I remove all potentially sensitive data to my old PC, which isn't plugged into anything, including the wall, if I want to prevent Origin from looking at data on my PC, in non Mass Effect-related files?

I don't have a lot of options here; I cannot afford a console. I would rather not have my best option be to miss playing ME3, but if the Origin rumors are true, or if it works as badly as some people say, why should I take the chance? EA should learn to work for consumer loyalty, not just buy more popular developers and corrupt what made them popular in the first place. If this is true "long term planning," then I want a horse, a gun, and a mortal enemy called Liberty Valance.

On the first count I'm pretty Origin doesn't require a constant internet connection for the single player stuff like a CERTAIN COMPANY'S STUPID DRM.

And I'm no expert on what exactly Origin scans, but I doubt it'll see any files of yours, it checks more what your hardware setup is and what you have installed.

[goofyomnivore]

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

edit; I'm wrong actually it was on there for 2 months (regular version) you couldn't preorder the SE from it.

Modifié par strive, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:05 .

[SJK93]

strive wrote...

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

It was. I got it on Steam. EA later pulled it off.

[DTKT]

strive wrote...

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

Yes, it was. It was before EA removed it from the Store due to new DLC coming out.

It was there.

[chance52]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Adain878 wrote...

Sadly the only way our point will ever get across is if sales tank. I plan to do my part and hope others will join. But sadly time and time again it's been shown gamer's as a collective are a weak willed bunch.

There is also the distinct possibility that "gamer's [sic] as a collective" may simply disagree with you. I cannot speak for all gamers, but I'm surprised at how many people on the internet seem to be able to. then again, if we always agreed all of the time, the world would be a dull place indeed.

While you are right that it's hard for individuals tied together only by the purchase of a few products to speak for as a group in any realistic capacity... the legal issues in Germany, the 6,000+ responses to this announcement since Friday night, passionate debates on your own website alone and the numerous people that have posted the legal way to protect ourselves from the very thing Origin claims not to do anymore (data-mine our entire PC) only to have it deleted would all suggest strongly that a large portion of your current/lost customers feel like Adain878.

But you are right, maybe EA is in the majority and we simply are in the vocal minority, I doubt it, but I've been wrong before.

I will say on a serious note that I do feel like Casey Hudson and the rest of his team deserved better from both EA and the fans for all the hard work they put into this project and the way this entire announcement has been issued and recieved does them little to no credit for all their effort. I hate Origin but I will not pirate this game out of protest as many claim they will do.

Modifié par chance52, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:08 .

[Mage One]

The problem with saying things to the effect of, "You're free to simply not buy the game, and that's the end of it.  We're not forcing you or pushing you into anything.  We're only making you an offer you can freely refuse," is it imagines this "offer" exists in a vacuum.  It does not.  It exists tacked on to the tail end of an experience many of use have bought (emotionally and financially) onto as a mandatory cost of finishing the experience.  Yes, ME and ME2 were complete games.  They were not complete stories, though.  Yes, they had a beginning and an end, but only as parts to this longer story all of us bought into.  Stories, as I'm sure you know, are what your games are about.  Stories are what you are known for as a company.  Stories, by and large, are why the players who buy your games buy your games.  So here you are talking to people who bought and enjoyed the first two parts of this story telling us, "Oh, this last part?  It requires Origin no matter what version you buy" or to put it another way "To see this story you've already bought onto to through to the end (an end that is only possible because you bought onto the first two parts), you have to install Origins.  Period."  Appending, "We're not forcing anything on you in any way," onto the end of that is disingenuous at best.

If you doubt this, if you think this is unconnected to the experience we've bought onto thus far, ask yourself this:  When the first Mass Effect came out, if you told everyone then that to play the third part of this trilogy you were asking us to buy we would have to install Origins and accept everything that entails, what effect, if any, do you think that would that have had?  Personally, I only bought ME after SecuRom got dissected and had all of it's teeth removed and methods for removing what was left when you were done with the game abounded.  I did that because ME2 seemed to indicate a direction for PC consumer friendliness I could get behind.  If I knew then this would be the full price for ME3 I wouldn't have bothered.  As it is, I was sad there was no ridiculous edition version of ME3 or N7 edition 360 bundle for me to buy because I really, really like the series.  Now, if nothing changes, I'll cancel my limited edition pre-order, which is both sad and infuriating because we did this same exact dance over DA2, where I gave you guys the benefit of the doubt despite the whole right of first sale issue I had with it.

Also, despite how many of use were clearly upset over how that was handled and how many of us were clearly looking forward to this game, you're releasing this information a month and a half before release.  A month and a half.  This is far enough into the schedule that most of use have long since made up our minds, put in our pre-orders, generated buzz, and imagined ourselves playing our theoretical versions of the game several times over.  Only after we've done all that, though, have you come and said, "Oh, here's this condition for access, but we're not forcing you to do anything.  We're just making you an offer."  I hope, at the very least, you can appreciate the cynicism many of us are feeling, since it seems very much like you're banking on having hooked us well enough that we'll close our eyes, plug our noses and ultimately think of the Normandy, which is a poor way to treat you customers, especially while telling them how much you respect them.

I have two related questions.  They're the same questions someone else asked earlier on that do not seem to have been answered.  I, too, would greatly appreciate a response:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

[Erode_The_Soul]

strive wrote...

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

edit; I'm wrong actually it was on there for 2 months (regular version) you couldn't preorder the SE from it.

Yes it was. We weren't permitted to pre-order for Sebastion's day 1 DLC, and it was removed right before Legacy, but it was there.

[Adain878]

strive wrote...

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

edit; I'm wrong actually it was on there for 2 months (regular version) you couldn't preorder the SE from it.

You sure? 

http://i.imgur.com/AMSgv.jpg

sorry in advance if this violates any rules, not sure what the linking policy is.