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[tanerb123]

just reminded that we coud not play dragon age origins because of a problem with the servers (and they said it is one time connection with that as well), probably same will happen with the origin. plus if it isnt a spyware, then what is it?

[ConnorVC]

I just want you to know Bioware that you lost a 14 year+ fan of your company. I've been an ardent supporter all these years since Baldur's gate and even played shattered steel. I've brought many friends into the fold of being fans as well. I will no longer be purchasing any products from you due to Origin and your stance with Steam.

[Atakuma]

I'm sure they're heartbroken.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ConnorVC wrote...

I just want you to know Bioware that you lost a 14 year+ fan of your company. I've been an ardent supporter all these years since Baldur's gate and even played shattered steel. I've brought many friends into the fold of being fans as well. I will no longer be purchasing any products from you due to Origin and your stance with Steam.

Bioware can't do anything about this , I support your right though.If you feel this way please contact EA or send EA an email about how your a loyal customer that doesn't like them forcing you to use origins.Coming to a forum and saying this isn't going to make any impact.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[Dragoonlordz]

tanerb123 wrote...

just reminded that we coud not play dragon age origins because of a problem with the servers (and they said it is one time connection with that as well), probably same will happen with the origin. plus if it isnt a spyware, then what is it?

1. It does not require a permanent connection to the internet to play. If you choose not to believe that then your free to do so but that is your choice.

2. A client just like Steam.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Bogsnot1]

I have a perfectly legitimate question.

Will talk of running Origin in a sandboxed, or virtual machine environment get us banned by CP?

For some reason, your "Community Liason" seems to think that running untrusted software in either one of these environments counts as "copyright circumvention", and he bans those who discuss it.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I have a perfectly legitimate question.

Will talk of running Origin in a sandboxed, or virtual machine environment get us banned by CP?

For some reason, your "Community Liason" seems to think that running untrusted software in either one of these environments counts as "copyright circumvention", and he bans those who discuss it.

It might , because your not following the set parameters.

[tishyw]

My biggest question with Origins is why is there no opt out for it scanning your pc the way there is with Steam, and why are EA so determined even in the face of EU regulations to not giving us this option?
I know there this isn't directly related to ME3 but this question is the sole reason that I'll be cancelling my pre-order of this game, why are EA so intent on scanning my hard-drive and why are they refusing to let me say no to it?
If Chris could find out the answer to that question, I'll send him a fruit basket!

[Dragoonlordz]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I have a perfectly legitimate question.

Will talk of running Origin in a sandboxed, or virtual machine environment get us banned by CP?

For some reason, your "Community Liason" seems to think that running untrusted software in either one of these environments counts as "copyright circumvention", and he bans those who discuss it.

Whether legitimate question or not your wording implies more a wish to 'provoke' a response. If you do not come at someone in a hostile manner you are more likely to recieve a response.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

tishyw wrote...

My biggest question with Origins is why is there no opt out for it scanning your pc the way there is with Steam, and why are EA so determined even in the face of EU regulations to not giving us this option?
I know there this isn't directly related to ME3 but this question is the sole reason that I'll be cancelling my pre-order of this game, why are EA so intent on scanning my hard-drive and why are they refusing to let me say no to it?
If Chris could find out the answer to that question, I'll send him a fruit basket!

Trust me the last thing EA wants is to be dealing with EU regs , just remember scanned is not the same as upload.You could scan a document to send someone , but you still have to upload it for it to get to that person.It origins does not use any private information unless entered or inputed through their service.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:30 .

[ConnorVC]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ConnorVC wrote...

I just want you to know Bioware that you lost a 14 year+ fan of your company. I've been an ardent supporter all these years since Baldur's gate and even played shattered steel. I've brought many friends into the fold of being fans as well. I will no longer be purchasing any products from you due to Origin and your stance with Steam.

Bioware can't do anything about this , I support your right though.If you feel this way please contact EA or send EA an email about how your a loyal customer that doesn't like them forcing you to use origins.Coming to a forum and saying this isn't going to make any impact.

This post wasn't for anyone but Bioware. I will contact through all channels I can.

[Ravenknight]

strive wrote...

Funny story: I preordered DA2 on Steam after playing the demo. On Steam.

Dragon Age 2 was never on Steam in any form.

edit; I'm wrong actually it was on there for 2 months (regular version) you couldn't preorder the SE from it.

If you noticed, I posted the line coming straight off my transaction history.

[devSin]

Have they even said what Origin is used for? The login (for registering your CD key) is always handled by the crummy code that EA forces onto every game (including DA2), so what on earth would you need to run the full client for?

What possible purpose does Origin serve? Or are they not talking about the client (you have to have an Origin account, which you do anyway for any new EA PC game)? Or are they just installing Origin by default (for years, they've already had the opt-out installer option for EADM/Origin) and describing it as "required" so they don't have to elucidate?

I just can't see the game starting up and saying, "Hey, launch this Origin client that we secretly installed, just this one time, OK?"

Modifié par devSin, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[DiegoRaphael]

Well, i'm sorry if this has been asked, but I only saw the Bioware responses to topic and most of them was about steam (heck i also prefer Steam, i mean, i can buy a game on Steam faster then Origin can load my friends list) but i didnt see they responding to this:

Why to use one software (the game) i have to install another software (origin)?

Isnt the system used on ME2 and DA2 enough (connect one time to EA account through inside the game for verification and thats it)? Why are we being pushed to this?

And another that is being asked from the moment the other topic was created:

Can we uninstall Origin after the activation?

[tishyw]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

tishyw wrote...

My biggest question with Origins is why is there no opt out for it scanning your pc the way there is with Steam, and why are EA so determined even in the face of EU regulations to not giving us this option?
I know there this isn't directly related to ME3 but this question is the sole reason that I'll be cancelling my pre-order of this game, why are EA so intent on scanning my hard-drive and why are they refusing to let me say no to it?
If Chris could find out the answer to that question, I'll send him a fruit basket!

Trust me the last thing EA wants is to be dealing with EU regs , just remember scanned is not the same as upload.You could scan a document to send someone , but you still have to upload it for it to get to that person.It origins does not use any private information unless entered or inputed through their service.

I'm sure if they're scanning it, they're going to upload it at some point!  The bottom line is they have no right to scan my computer and they should be giving us the option to opt out so we can play the game we've paid for without having our privacy invaded!

[Dragoonlordz]

ConnorVC wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ConnorVC wrote...

I just want you to know Bioware that you lost a 14 year+ fan of your company. I've been an ardent supporter all these years since Baldur's gate and even played shattered steel. I've brought many friends into the fold of being fans as well. I will no longer be purchasing any products from you due to Origin and your stance with Steam.

Bioware can't do anything about this , I support your right though.If you feel this way please contact EA or send EA an email about how your a loyal customer that doesn't like them forcing you to use origins.Coming to a forum and saying this isn't going to make any impact.

This post wasn't for anyone but Bioware. I will contact through all channels I can.

Contact through all channels? I'm sorry if I misunderstand but it seem's your asking for a response to what you worded as a statement of intent without recourse. I saw no questions there or desire for input from them within the message you left unless you wish for acknowledgement of receipt or understanding.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

devSin wrote...

Have they even said what Origin is used for? The login (for registering your CD key) is always handled by the crummy code that EA forces onto every game (including DA2), so what on earth would you need to run the full client for?

What possible purpose does Origin serve? Or are they not talking about the client (you have to have an Origin account, which you do anyway for any new EA PC game)? Or are they just installing Origin by default (for years, they've already had the opt-out installer option for EADM/Origin) and describing it as "required" so they don't have to elucidate?

I just can't see the game starting up and saying, "Hey, launch this Origin client that we secretly installed, just this one time, OK?"

I don't know what to tell , it runs games like how one uses steam.If you really want to know evaulate the origins yourself and read the eula.The eula tells you what the program does.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ConnorVC wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

ConnorVC wrote...

I just want you to know Bioware that you lost a 14 year+ fan of your company. I've been an ardent supporter all these years since Baldur's gate and even played shattered steel. I've brought many friends into the fold of being fans as well. I will no longer be purchasing any products from you due to Origin and your stance with Steam.

Bioware can't do anything about this , I support your right though.If you feel this way please contact EA or send EA an email about how your a loyal customer that doesn't like them forcing you to use origins.Coming to a forum and saying this isn't going to make any impact.

This post wasn't for anyone but Bioware. I will contact through all channels I can.

Contact through all channels? I'm sorry if I misunderstand but it seem's your asking for a response to what you worded as a statement of intent without recourse. I saw no questions there or desire for input from them within the message you left unless you wish for acknowledgement of receipt or understanding.

This , I really don't get what everyone wants from Bioware.Their just the fall guy/girl here , the only thing they can tell is you have the right not to buy their products.

[GirlPower23]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is not currently available on Steam. This may change in the future, but complaining to BioWare/EA that it is not on Steam will not help. We continue to work with Steam/Valve to make Mass Effect 3 available on Steam.

Basically what I gather from is this, "Until Valve changes their policy your complaints are falling on deaf ears." Instead of making the best customer experience you are telling your customers not to ask for whats best for them and not voice a complaint because you don't care to hear it. So there goes the "Best Possible Experience." I guess as long as the columns line up properly in your spreadsheets at the fiscal quarter it doesn't matter where you release or your customers experience.

Modifié par GirlPower23, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:43 .

[goofyomnivore]

you are telling your customers not to ask for whats best for them

Competition between companies is almost always good for the customer. Go through any small town in America and you have banks sponsering all kinds of things out of competion between one another to get customers

Modifié par strive, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:46 .

[Dragoonlordz]

DiegoRaphael wrote...

Well, i'm sorry if this has been asked, but I only saw the Bioware responses to topic and most of them was about steam (heck i also prefer Steam, i mean, i can buy a game on Steam faster then Origin can load my friends list) but i didnt see they responding to this:

Why to use one software (the game) i have to install another software (origin)?

Isnt the system used on ME2 and DA2 enough (connect one time to EA account through inside the game for verification and thats it)? Why are we being pushed to this?

And another that is being asked from the moment the other topic was created:

Can we uninstall Origin after the activation?

It comes down to EA long term goal is to push their own client and desire to rival Steam in the digital distribution market. They happen to wish to procede down the same route Steam currently does, this is to say titles being sold via retail also come with clients required much like Skyrim requires the installation of Steam even if buy retail version.

Maybe they feel whats good for the goose is good for the gander I do not know as I do not work for EA. The exact reasons, the only place to recieve that answer is from EA as they are the only one's who know why EA does what EA does. I do not think even Bioware cananswer your second question other than with they are owned by EA and it is EA's final choice on the matter of which EA said it is not backing down on this which Chris let people know on first post in thread. I am sure Bioware tried to change it but they are not the one's with the purse strings, EA are.

The last question noone here can answer yet until Chris finds out the answer however by logic and common sense I would say no. To me while you do not require being [online] after activation via the client, you will need to have it running in the background [only] when playing the game. 

[GirlPower23]

strive wrote...


Competition between companies is almost always good for the customer. Go through any small town in America and you have banks sponsering all kinds of things out of competion between one another to get customers

This argument always makes me laugh. Why? Well, because there is no competition. EA Games and BioWare eliminated one potential competitor in one huge swoop. The customer loses here, because they have lost an option where to buy their game. Also if EA sold their DLC on other competitors store fronts there would be competition instead of their craptastic BioWare points where they nickle and dime you when you can't buy a specific amount of Points for some DLC so you end up paying more than it's worth. You see what lack of competition does? Archaic Point systems that screw the customer over. Now are you screaming Yay! For competition?

[Dragoonlordz]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is not currently available on Steam. This may change in the future, but complaining to BioWare/EA that it is not on Steam will not help. We continue to work with Steam/Valve to make Mass Effect 3 available on Steam.

Basically what I gather from is this, "Until Valve changes their policy your complaints are falling on deaf ears." Instead of making the best customer experience you are telling your customers not to ask for whats best for them and not voice a complaint because you don't care to hear it. So there goes the "Best Possible Experience." I guess as long as the columns line up properly in your spreadsheets at the fiscal quarter it doesn't matter where you release or your customers experience.

I think you are right unless Valve and EA can come to an arrangement it is very much the case. Valve needs EA's titles more than EA needs Valve and that is why Gabe recently said in an interview he is trying to get EA to allow EA's title on Steam because Ea produce some of the biggest games out each year and Steam is desperate to have them on it's shelves. It is about money that aspect and anyone who think's otherwise is slightly neive. The biggest problem is he and EA are both stubborn and always bickering. This doesn't mean it will never be on Steam but a deal does have to be worked out that benefits EA more than current terms do. It also depends over time on whether or not EA wishes their long term plan rival for DD services should get their titles because that further increase distance between EA and their goals. This is not gospel but this is what makes most sense to me.

[devSin]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The last question noone here can answer yet until Chris finds out the answer however by logic and common sense I would say no. To me while you do not require being [online] after activation via the client, you will need to have it running in the background [only] when playing the game.

See, I wouldn't have interpreted it that way. It sounds more plausible, but also more unpalatable to be frank.

Ah, BioWare. There used to be good days.

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I don't know what to tell , it runs games like how one uses steam.If you really want to know evaulate the origins yourself and read the eula.The eula tells you what the program does.

It can, but it's never before been required for launching retail copies, except maybe BF3 (but I have no idea if it does there).

Modifié par devSin, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:00 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

EA's particular brand of spyware isn't a major issue for me because, like Steam, it's easy enough to avoid the more untoward aspects of the program. The latter is just a bit more....eh, user friendly.

My biggest problem with this situation is the lack of a Steam release. I understand that this statement ruffles some feathers here because "Why Valve but not EA, huh?!" but that's just my feelings on it. I wasn't an early Steam adopter, and actually only got the thing because someone bought me a game on it,  so I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy or anything. I've tried other DD services, including EADM (which, I feel compelled to add, was absolutely awful) but over the years, Steam has come out on top, done nothing but serve me well and Valve has more than earned my trust.

I sincerely wish I could say the same for EA but, while I don't subscribe to them being the root of all evil, I'm still wary of them and a majority of the decisions they've made lately. Asking me to adopt another Steam-like platform, while offering me no real benefits is one thing. To turn this offer into an ultimatum by tying it to the last game in a highly anticipated trilogy, whose two previous installments I already own on a different platform is something else entirely. This move doesn't exactly garner my trust, you know?

I'm not going to huff and puff about who's right or wrong in this EA vs Steam pissing match, as it's been made clear that this thread is not the place to do so, and I certainly hope that this post is not taken in that way. I just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

I'm not willing to accept Origin in it's current state, which unfortunately means I'll be unable to complete Shepard's story come March 6th. I am, however, genuinely looking forward to the day ME3 comes to Steam; you'll have a day 1 purchase from me, when that happens.