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[GirlPower23]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


I think you are right unless Valve and EA can come to an arrangement it is very much the case. Valve needs EA's titles more than EA needs Valve and that is why Gabe recently said in an interview he is trying to get EA to allow EA's title on Steam because Ea produce some of the biggest games out each year and Steam is desperate to have them on it's shelves. It is about money that aspect and anyone who think's otherwise is slightly neive. The biggest problem is he and EA are both stubborn and always bickering. This doesn't mean it will never be on Steam but a deal does have to be worked out that benefits EA more than current terms do. It also depends over time on whether or not EA wishes their long term plan rival for DD services should get their titles because that further increase distance between EA and their goals. This is not gospel but this is what makes most sense to me.

What? Valve needs EA Games? I think you are not understanding what Gabe is saying. The fact that Steam doubled it's growth last year shows they do not need EA Games. What Gabe is saying is they want EA Games on their service and they want to show EA that Steam is the best possible place to sell them. No where did Gabe hint at them desperately needing EA Games. Again, considering they doubled their growth last year. Every year they continue to grow, EA is hardly a requirement for their growth. EA but one publisher in an ocean of publishers. 2k, THQ, Activision, (Hundreds of Indie Devs), Warner Bros, UbiSoft.. you get it.. the list is freaking huge.

Modifié par GirlPower23, 17 janvier 2012 - 05:59 .

[goofyomnivore]

This argument always makes me laugh. Why? Well, because there is no competition. EA Games and BioWare eliminated one potential competitor in one huge swoop.

Steam does the exact same thing. Many of the games played on Steam require Steam for installation and playing. Steam is making it where developers need to release their game only through them. They have to give Steam DLC rights, develop patches specifically for Steam, etc. The cost of releasing a game on Steam is becoming only efficient if you make it Steam exclusive. hence why Skyrim, CoD, etc are doing so.

EA said the hell with that and decided to do it on their own. You're getting two companies who are fighting. EA is going to get their money for DLC. If they went through Steam I would bet on DLC prices raising past the 800BW(I think that is 10$) points to even further like 12.50$ because EA would make you the customer pay for Steam's cut.

Modifié par strive, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[Docjam]

[platform wars post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:01 .

[Dragoonlordz]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


I think you are right unless Valve and EA can come to an arrangement it is very much the case. Valve needs EA's titles more than EA needs Valve and that is why Gabe recently said in an interview he is trying to get EA to allow EA's title on Steam because Ea produce some of the biggest games out each year and Steam is desperate to have them on it's shelves. It is about money that aspect and anyone who think's otherwise is slightly neive. The biggest problem is he and EA are both stubborn and always bickering. This doesn't mean it will never be on Steam but a deal does have to be worked out that benefits EA more than current terms do. It also depends over time on whether or not EA wishes their long term plan rival for DD services should get their titles because that further increase distance between EA and their goals. This is not gospel but this is what makes most sense to me.

What? Valve needs EA Games? I think you are not understanding what Gabe is saying. The fact that Steam doubled it's growth last year shows they do not need EA Games. What Gabe is saying is they want EA Games on their service and they want to show EA that Steam is the best possible place to sell them. No where did Gabe hint at them desperately needing EA Games. Again, considering they doubled their growth last year. Every year they continue to grow, EA is hardly a requirement for their growth. EA but one publisher in an ocean of publishers. 2k, THQ, Activision, (Hundreds of Indie Devs), Warner Bros, UbiSoft.. you get it.. the list is freaking huge.

That is just how I see it but if you feel my opinion is inaccurate you have ever right to feel differently with no hard feelings on the subject. The world is a big place and filled with a truly vast amount of individuals, it is not uncommon for many to hold different views and see things in a different light. This is just one of those times.

 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:05 .

[GirlPower23]

strive wrote... 

Steam does the exact same thing. 7 of the top 10 games played on Steam require Steam for installation and playing. Steam is making it where developers need to release their game only through them. They have to give Steam DLC rights, develop patches specifically for Steam, etc. The cost of releasing a game on Steam is becoming only efficient if you make it Steam exclusive. hence why Skyrim, CoD, etc are doing so.

I'm not complaining about Steamworks Titles or Origin Requirement. I am complaining about them not releasing to all Storefronts. They are specifically targetting Steam because of their terms And refuse to accept the terms to release there. If they cared about their customers they would do what their customers want. That's what make developers like Valve, Blizzard, CDProjekt Red some of the best developers. Because they listen to fans and don't post corporate [googaly-moogaly] PR Posts.

As for your last comment.. lol.. just stop already. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Making a game Steamworks change nothing. Need an example? Arkham City, Borderlands, Witcher 2, and so forth are only Steamworks on Steam. Many indie developers do Steam Edition only Steamworks releases.. why? Because they want to serve as many customers as possible and make their customers happy. The development costs are not through the roof.. it's simply maintaining a hold on their draconic grip on their DLC Scheme that basically ripsoff their customers. If a small time indie dev can support Desura, Steam, PS3, Xbox and so forth with zero problems with patches so can EA Games. It's not about cost.

 
strive wrote... 

EA said the hell with that and decided to do it on their own. You're getting two companies who are fighting. EA is going to get their money for DLC. If they went through Steam I would bet on DLC prices raising past the 800BW(I think that is 10$) points to even further like 12.50$ because EA making you the customer pay for Steam's cut. 

 

Then they aren't doing what the customer wants and are simply trying to pad their spreadsheets for the fiscal quarter. However, you look at it as a lose when they would probably gain substantially more money selling through Steam because of it's large user base. These are both hypothetical situations however yours is the least likely considering I've never seen a company price hike their DLC because they are also selling it on Steam.

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:12 .

[Darthsam]

Valve "needs" EA, lol that just made my day
for real, do some research on how fast Steam is growing and how well Valve's doing in the war between GFWL and Steam, go check some crazy numbers Steam achieved last year ALONE, you wouldnt make such a lol comment.

[Incognito JC]

GirlPower23 wrote...

That's what make developers like Valve, Blizzard, CDProjekt Red some of the best developers. Because they listen to fans and don't post corporate *bleep* PR Posts.

I really, really hope they will listen to fans and remove that dreaded DRM for Diablo 3 then. Constant online connection for a single player game? What.

..Yeah, off-topic. Stopping now.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:14 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Darthsam wrote...

Valve "needs" EA, lol that just made my day
for real, do some research on how fast Steam is growing and how well Valve's doing in the war between GFWL and Steam, go check some crazy numbers Steam achieved last year ALONE, you wouldnt make such a lol comment.

It wouldn't hurt if they had EA.This could easily be in reverse Half-life 3 on Steam but not on origin.Granted the fuss would be smaller.When companies bicker it hurts everyone , we all lose theirs is no winner in EA not putting ME3 and vice-versa.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:17 .

[goofyomnivore]

As for your last comment.. lol.. just stop already. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

It is in their private policy. "We want patches specifically for Steam, so that patches are exclusive to our client".

However, you look at it as a lose when they would probably gain substantially more money selling through Steam because of it's large user base. These are both hypothetical situations however yours is the least likely considering I've never seen a company price hike their DLC because they are also selling it on Steam.

EA games have never been very popular on Steam compared to other publishers successes. Least likely? It has happened already to many of the publishers on Steam raising DLC prices from 7$ to 10$, etc.

[Mclouvins]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

It is truly humorous that Blizzard has been mentioned. Especially due to their rather boneheaded business decisions as of late.

What you mean after an expansion about a giant fricking dragon that's nearly tearing itself part with raw power that going to pandas wasn't a fan based decision? The gall good sir/madam, the gall.

Back on topic. Something about origin.

[Docjam]

Having read posts from Chris and Mr. Woo on the subject, I've come to the conclusion that Bioware doesn't give a rip about their customers anymore, EA isn't the only one to blame here. Bioware seems just as bent on stuffing origin down our throats whether we want it or not, and they apparently take their customers for granted since they don't seem to care that people won't buy their game. Literally taking having millions of customers for granted if they blatantly disregard the thousands of customers they lose in this move. They assume they can push any product, with any strings attached, and they will still get millions of customers. That's taking your fans for granted folks, that's not trying to maintain a positive relationship with your fanbase, that's not being good to your fanbase. That's disregarding them and just taking their money. The integrity of this company at this point in time is wholly shot. Next step: Pure, unadulterated customer ABUSE.

So I don't care about Bioware anymore, [inappropriate comments removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[jamesp81]

In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin
folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process.

Oh for God's sakes.

ALL disk access by Windows programs are handled by Windows itself.  It does not matter if the software in question is a nasty trojan or a completely legitimate piece of software.  Both such pieces of software make calls, in their code, to Windows disk access methods and functions.  Said functions are quite efficient and, assuming the calling program has sufficient permissions, Windows's functions will go forth and fetch any damned thing they're asked to fetch.

Windows software does not directly access any disks, under normal circumstances, without using Windows functions (ie, going through Windows).  While the bolded part is, by itself, completely accurate it's also completely meaningless.

I am trying not to be contrary, but I'm appalled EA would release such a statement and expect those of us who write software for a living to not notice.

Modifié par jamesp81, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Stanley Woo wrote...

-snip- [only because I do not wish to create a huge wall of text and you already know what you said, so does not need repeating in a quote; nothing personal]

First and foremost EA is a business and while short term gains seem's to make more sense to you, I get the impression they are looking at the long term field of play. It does not really matter what we think and we can randomly guess or make assumptions [which is fine] but in the end the only two groups who really know the reasons are Steam and EA. EA is hardly likely to tell us all the icky details and Valve have and always will be I believe quite tight lipped on such issues in which case neither may ever tell you or myself the details.

The only thing you can do rather than spend large amounts of time guessing what is going on behind closed doors is simply hope that they work something out between them with the end result of both benefitting. But as mentioned before it is not up to us. We did not fund ME3, when we bought ME2 that is what we retrospectively funded and same goes for figurines or  any other pruchases. The result being you recieve that product. Everything after that, the development of the next title came out of the pockets of EA and Bioware. In that regard we can have an opinion on what they do, we can even choose to purchase what they release and debate it's qualities. But in the end it is upto EA and Valve to work something out and in your case hope sooner rather than later plus that in the end you get what it is your after.

I believe Bioware said the same thing on page one in the original post. Nothing has changed since then to my knowledge. You said it to strive about he doesn't know whats going on behind the scenes so you told him to stop, I might make suggestion that goes both ways. We are all guessing here none of us know the real reasons.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:30 .

[GirlPower23]

strive wrote...

As for your last comment.. lol.. just stop already. You don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

It is in their private policy. "We want patches specifically for Steam, so that patches are exclusive to our client".

However, you look at it as a lose when they would probably gain substantially more money selling through Steam because of it's large user base. These are both hypothetical situations however yours is the least likely considering I've never seen a company price hike their DLC because they are also selling it on Steam.

EA games have never been very popular on Steam compared to other publishers successes. Least likely? It has happened already to many of the publishers on Steam raising DLC prices from 7$ to 10$, etc.

Actually no they don't want exclusive rights to patches, they just want patches delivered through Steam if you sell your games on Steam. You are welcome to deliver patches in anyway as well.. just that if you sell through Steam you need to use Steam for updating that specific product on Steam.

As for your second comment, care to provide proof.. or you just going to rock anecdotal proof?

[AlanC9]

jamesp81 wrote...
I am trying not to be contrary, but I'm appalled EA would release such a statement and expect those of us who write software for a living to not notice.

People who write software for a living aren't a big fraction of the customer base, last time I checked.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Docjam wrote...

Having read posts from Chris and Mr. Woo on the subject, I've come to the conclusion that Bioware doesn't give a rip about their customers anymore, EA isn't the only one to blame here. Bioware seems just as bent on stuffing origin down our throats whether we want it or not, and they apparently take their customers for granted since they don't seem to care that people won't buy their game. Literally taking having millions of customers for granted if they blatantly disregard the thousands of customers they lose in this move. They assume they can push any product, with any strings attached, and they will still get millions of customers. That's taking your fans for granted folks, that's not trying to maintain a positive relationship with your fanbase, that's not being good to your fanbase. That's disregarding them and just taking their money. The integrity of this company at this point in time is wholly shot. Next step: Pure, unadulterated customer ABUSE.

So I don't care about Bioware anymore, [inappropriate comments removed]

How ? , Bioware doesn't have a choice in the matter.All they did was try to make the thrid installment to a game loved by many.They've even came out and told you most of the information , before you purchase the game in march.If that isn't being upfront and caring.Go on to Capcom Unity forums and see how their treated by capcom as far as megaman and devil may cry.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:28 .

[AlanC9]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
This could easily be in reverse Half-life 3 on Steam but not on origin.

Oh, absolutely. Because Steam was first it looks like a neutral option to some people, but it is not.

[Darthsam]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Darthsam wrote...

Valve "needs" EA, lol that just made my day
for real, do some research on how fast Steam is growing and how well Valve's doing in the war between GFWL and Steam, go check some crazy numbers Steam achieved last year ALONE, you wouldnt make such a lol comment.

It wouldn't hurt if they had EA.This could easily be in reverse Half-life 3 on Steam but not on origin.Granted the fuss would be smaller.When companies bicker it hurts everyone , we all lose theirs is no winner in EA not putting ME3 and vice-versa.

Eventually ME3 will be on Steam, seeing how bad Origin's current state is and how well Steam is doing without EA's titles, they will learn that they can not win by simply sabotaging Steam, so they may as well release it on Steam for some extra cash.
That's what Microsoft is doing, MS tried limiting their  titles on Steam in order to push their own GFWL and stll it did not help, so they finally gave up and starting release stuff fans demanded for long time.

[jamesp81]

[quote]

[quote]Docjam wrote...

Having read posts from Chris and Mr. Woo on the subject, I've come to the conclusion that Bioware doesn't give a rip about their customers anymore, EA isn't the only one to blame here. Bioware seems just as bent on stuffing origin down our throats whether we want it or not, and they apparently take their customers for granted since they don't seem to care that people won't buy their game. Literally taking having millions of customers for granted if they blatantly disregard the thousands of customers they lose in this move. They assume they can push any product, with any strings attached, and they will still get millions of customers. That's taking your fans for granted folks, that's not trying to maintain a positive relationship with your fanbase, that's not being good to your fanbase. That's disregarding them and just taking their money. The integrity of this company at this point in time is wholly shot. Next step: Pure, unadulterated customer ABUSE.

So I don't care about Bioware anymore, [inappropriate comments removed][/quote]

How ? , Bioware doesn't have a choice in the matter.All they did was try to make the thrid installment to a game loved by many.They've even came out and told you most of the information , before you purchase the game in march.If that isn't being upfront and caring.Go on to Capcom Unity forums and see how their treated by capcom as far as megaman and devil may cry.

[/quote]

I am aware that Bioware doesn't have a choice.  There's nothing I can personally do about that.  I still will not permit the Origin client to be installed on my system which, by extension, means I will be unable to buy ME3.  I'm genuinely unhappy that that harms Bioware, because I've enjoyed playing their games.

On the other hand, they chose to merge with EA, did they not?  EA's history with subsidiary studios is long and sordid.  Perhaps they should've thought about that before signing on the dotted line.

[quote edited to remove my name from a quote that's not mine]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

What you mean after an expansion about a giant fricking dragon that's nearly tearing itself part with raw power that going to pandas wasn't a fan based decision? The gall good sir/madam, the gall.

Back on topic. Something about origin.

I was also talking about their "genius" idea of publishing the full name of anyone that posted on their messageboards. 

Pure stupidity , but it would keep people in line instead of people saying crazy comments and rants.But it's a price no one should be forced with.

[Mclouvins]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

What you mean after an expansion about a giant fricking dragon that's nearly tearing itself part with raw power that going to pandas wasn't a fan based decision? The gall good sir/madam, the gall.

Back on topic. Something about origin.

I was also talking about their "genius" idea of publishing the full name of anyone that posted on their messageboards. 

Well they've made so many bad decisions across all fronts lately that it's tough to discuss them all.

On topic: Something related to origin.