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[Ravenknight]

Stouny wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

A very off-topic for this thread and somewhat disrespectful line of discussion has been removed from this thread. I really do sympathize with you guys, but you're making it awfully difficult to justify keeping this thread open when you (the general "participants of this thread" you) time and again resort to violating our Site Rules and going off-topic.

Bogsnot1, Ravenmyste and Girlpower23, consider this your warning. Any further attempts to steer this discussion towards company bashing will result in more punitive measures.

I would like to thank some of our forum veterans such as Dragoonlordz and Zanallen for trying to keep this debate/discussion/argument open and on an even keel.

Something I want to know..

How is it that Bioware was able to steer Star Wars: The Old Republic away from requiring Origin (had it required Origin, I never would have bought it, as well), and yet, cannot steer away from an Origin requirement for Mass Effect 3?

There is absolutely no logical explanation for having Origin on an MMO. As a social add-on, it is pointless. MMOs have their own social UI. As DRM, it is useless. There is nothing that can be pirated from an MMO, since it is 100% online. Pirate MMO servers cannot be prevented by Origin. Overall it would just lag the game, which combined with peoples' already terrible PCs would pretty much crash SWTOR. 

Origin can't prevent that sort of crime on any game, as evidenced by 2 of the 5 most stolen games of 2011 being Origin exclusive.  All the other rationales may make sense to you and me, but they don't make sense to the suits at the board meetings.

Originally Star Wars: The Old Republic was going to be Origin exclusive, but somewhere along the line the requirement for Origin to play the game was removed.  Am I incorrect in this?

It still is Origin exclusive, but you don´t need the client to download it, just the account to purchase the game if you want the digital edition. 

Perhaps they were concerned what a negative reaction such as this one would have done to their relationship with LA? I doubt LA would have looked kindly on this sort of cloud sullying one of their titles.

[CroGamer002]

jreezy wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

apixaez wrote...
I noticed and I did read it. However I do not appreciate being treated like a child as it all boils down to having Origin on your computer which is the sole issue, no matter where it is made available for purchase. As I apparently have the need to clarify what I meant (shocking really), I will do so. Why am I forced a client upon me when there already is a perfectly working client with less issues doing the exact same thing, but better? Is it EA's sheer arrogance or do they really think Origin will become a success with all the negative publicity it has gotten?

Mass Effect is not currently available on Steam. You cannot get the game on Steam right now. Steam is not currently selling Mass Effect 3.

Whether Origin will "succeed" isn't really the question. The question is what has already been brought up in these discussions by others who feel as you do--whether to purchase Mass Effect 3 or not. And I have very little to do with that decision. i'm just trying to keep the screaming down to manageable levels so Mrs. Fenway in the apartment downstairs doesn't show up at our door again.

We both know the disagreement about the TOS is a load of .. well you know .. and some more fancy talk to make Origin feel like it's the "way forward".

No, we don't "both know" that. the disagreement about the TOS starts with the TOS itself, which can be considered an offer. Now that many of the big questions have been answered, each player and consumer has to decide for himself whether to accept that offer and purchase the game. Some have chosen not to take the offer. Some have suggested alternatives. Some have chosen to accept the offer.

Uh no, the german EULA has been updated, not the one that matters to me. And let's see, general community with a brain:"ORIGIN DATAMINES YOUR COMPUTER FOR STUFF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH! VIEW EVIDENCE A TO Z!" Single person working for the company providing Origin:"No guys, really, it doesn't (anymore)!"

Yeah, you make a pursuading arguement. Unfortunately, whether it still does or not, the damage has been done and trust has been damaged beyond repair.

Then we really have nothing more to talk about, do we?

Thank you for giving me my right to what I am entitled to do with my hard earned cash. I wish you were this easy going with your choice of forcing Origin on me too as I am supposed to buy Mass Effect 3 and not Origin or OriginEffect3. But I do appreciate your comments, it makes you a lot more popular in my book.

The right to do as you wish with your cash was not given by me. I'm just reiterating it since some people tend to forget that such choice and power is ultimately theirs. in fact, it even slips your mind when you mention "forcing Origin on me". The offer is there. We are not offering to sell them separately. Chris Priestly states rather explicitly that Origin is coming with Mass Effect 3. It is up to you, the consumer, to choose whether to purchase the game (ie. accept the offer) or not purchase the game. I promise you, no one here will think any differently of you regardless of your choice.

Thank you for clarifying your position.

Stanley, you are a moderator on these forums. Being blunt and disrespectful does not suit your role.

It's a good thing he wasn't, at least, disrespectful.

Yeah, where was he disrespectful?

[Ravenknight]

Sylvianus wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

And even if Origin was spyware on the Xbox/PS3, what would there be to spy on? What games you bought on the marketplace? How many hours you spent playing them? That information is already collected by Microsoft/Sony.

LOL. yeah.

That's why I didn't get his comment.

Do they GIVE that information to EA? Or would EA have to purchase it? (assuming it was actually for sale)

[Adugan]

Ravenknight wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

And even if Origin was spyware on the Xbox/PS3, what would there be to spy on? What games you bought on the marketplace? How many hours you spent playing them? That information is already collected by Microsoft/Sony.

LOL. yeah.

That's why I didn't get his comment.

Do they GIVE that information to EA? Or would EA have to purchase it? (assuming it was actually for sale)

Any answer here would just be guesswork. Maybe EA gets the information for EA games. Maybe they have to buy it from Sony/MS. Nobody really knows.

[elitecom]

Adugan wrote...
There is absolutely no logical explanation for having Origin on an MMO. As a social add-on, it is pointless. MMOs have their own social UI. As DRM, it is useless. There is nothing that can be pirated from an MMO, since it is 100% online. Pirate MMO servers cannot be prevented by Origin. Overall it would just lag the game, which combined with peoples' already terrible PCs would pretty much crash SWTOR. 

There's no logical reason for having Origin coupled with Mass Effect 3 either. As DRM I cannot see how it's more effective than the usual DVD check. All it would do is be another program I've no use for taking space on my harddrive.

Zanallen wrote...
And if you really want to get your point across, I would suggest speaking directly to EA with your concerns. Organize an email campaign to bombard EA with the people's concerns about Origin. Or maybe go old school and use physical letters in an effort to reinforce the sheer numbers of people unwilling to compromise on this issue. Or perhaps you can pull a Germany and discuss your concerns with your local news affiliates.

Unfortunately, complaining about Origin on the BSN and threatening to cancel your preorders isn't going to get EA to change their minds. I doubt very many EA execs come here and anything that Chris or other Bioware staff relay is going to be filtered through several others and most likely won't create much of a response. A large drop in potential sales may get their attention, but that will come too late for ME3.

I've never threatened to cancel my preorder, but I guess you're refering to the many other who've done so?
An email campaign and many of the options you've mentioned are viable, but such things must be coordinated to be effective. The more the better chance of it having an impact.

[Sylvianus]

Ravenknight wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

And even if Origin was spyware on the Xbox/PS3, what would there be to spy on? What games you bought on the marketplace? How many hours you spent playing them? That information is already collected by Microsoft/Sony.

LOL. yeah.

That's why I didn't get his comment.

Do they GIVE that information to EA? Or would EA have to purchase it? (assuming it was actually for sale)

I do not know. But if companies can determine the preferences of the players, thanks to data collected, the transmission of information is already allowed.

sensitive data, I think that only microsoft, keep them.

But what is the difference between EA and Microsoft ? Why Microsoft would be good, and not EA ?

when you sign a contract  with any company in real life, you always give the necessary information.

(Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

[Zanallen]

elitecom wrote...

I've never threatened to cancel my preorder, but I guess you're refering to the many other who've done so?
An email campaign and many of the options you've mentioned are viable, but such things must be coordinated to be effective. The more the better chance of it having an impact.

Er, yes. I was refering to the people in general. And yes, it would require coordination, but it would most likely be more effective than complaining about it on the website of a company that can't do anything about the decision. If people really feel strongly about Origin, then they should actually make an effort to do something about it. Complaining on the BSN, threatening to cancel preorders or talking about piracy are not the ways to get this done.

[Stouny]

Ravenknight wrote...

Stouny wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

A very off-topic for this thread and somewhat disrespectful line of discussion has been removed from this thread. I really do sympathize with you guys, but you're making it awfully difficult to justify keeping this thread open when you (the general "participants of this thread" you) time and again resort to violating our Site Rules and going off-topic.

Bogsnot1, Ravenmyste and Girlpower23, consider this your warning. Any further attempts to steer this discussion towards company bashing will result in more punitive measures.

I would like to thank some of our forum veterans such as Dragoonlordz and Zanallen for trying to keep this debate/discussion/argument open and on an even keel.

Something I want to know..

How is it that Bioware was able to steer Star Wars: The Old Republic away from requiring Origin (had it required Origin, I never would have bought it, as well), and yet, cannot steer away from an Origin requirement for Mass Effect 3?

There is absolutely no logical explanation for having Origin on an MMO. As a social add-on, it is pointless. MMOs have their own social UI. As DRM, it is useless. There is nothing that can be pirated from an MMO, since it is 100% online. Pirate MMO servers cannot be prevented by Origin. Overall it would just lag the game, which combined with peoples' already terrible PCs would pretty much crash SWTOR. 

Origin can't prevent that sort of crime on any game, as evidenced by 2 of the 5 most stolen games of 2011 being Origin exclusive.  All the other rationales may make sense to you and me, but they don't make sense to the suits at the board meetings.

Originally Star Wars: The Old Republic was going to be Origin exclusive, but somewhere along the line the requirement for Origin to play the game was removed.  Am I incorrect in this?

It still is Origin exclusive, but you don´t need the client to download it, just the account to purchase the game if you want the digital edition. 

Perhaps they were concerned what a negative reaction such as this one would have done to their relationship with LA? I doubt LA would have looked kindly on this sort of cloud sullying one of their titles.

You can buy SWTOR online ONLY (yes ONLY) from ORIGIN. On the other hand, you´ll be able to buy ME3 from almost anywhere, just not from steam. That´s the difference between the two.

[Ravenknight]

Stouny wrote...

Ravenknight wrote...

Stouny wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Docjam wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

A very off-topic for this thread and somewhat disrespectful line of discussion has been removed from this thread. I really do sympathize with you guys, but you're making it awfully difficult to justify keeping this thread open when you (the general "participants of this thread" you) time and again resort to violating our Site Rules and going off-topic.

Bogsnot1, Ravenmyste and Girlpower23, consider this your warning. Any further attempts to steer this discussion towards company bashing will result in more punitive measures.

I would like to thank some of our forum veterans such as Dragoonlordz and Zanallen for trying to keep this debate/discussion/argument open and on an even keel.

Something I want to know..

How is it that Bioware was able to steer Star Wars: The Old Republic away from requiring Origin (had it required Origin, I never would have bought it, as well), and yet, cannot steer away from an Origin requirement for Mass Effect 3?

There is absolutely no logical explanation for having Origin on an MMO. As a social add-on, it is pointless. MMOs have their own social UI. As DRM, it is useless. There is nothing that can be pirated from an MMO, since it is 100% online. Pirate MMO servers cannot be prevented by Origin. Overall it would just lag the game, which combined with peoples' already terrible PCs would pretty much crash SWTOR. 

Origin can't prevent that sort of crime on any game, as evidenced by 2 of the 5 most stolen games of 2011 being Origin exclusive.  All the other rationales may make sense to you and me, but they don't make sense to the suits at the board meetings.

Originally Star Wars: The Old Republic was going to be Origin exclusive, but somewhere along the line the requirement for Origin to play the game was removed.  Am I incorrect in this?

It still is Origin exclusive, but you don´t need the client to download it, just the account to purchase the game if you want the digital edition. 

Perhaps they were concerned what a negative reaction such as this one would have done to their relationship with LA? I doubt LA would have looked kindly on this sort of cloud sullying one of their titles.

You can buy SWTOR online ONLY (yes ONLY) from ORIGIN. On the other hand, you´ll be able to buy ME3 from almost anywhere, just not from steam. That´s the difference between the two.

That and SWTOR is licensed from LA, whilst ME is an in-house production. Future business with your own house is assured, but bad juju with someone elses IP... future not so assured.

[count_4]

Zanallen wrote...
Complaining on the BSN, threatening to cancel preorders or talking about piracy are not the ways to get this done.

Why not? BioWare is part of EA and there are BioWare emplyoees reading the BSN. Threatening to not play the game they are working hard for because of their publisher can be quite effective if enough people are doing it.
It has a lot more weight if a developer tells EA that they are worried about the peoples reaction than people spamming EA support or something.

[Ravenknight]

count_4 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Complaining on the BSN, threatening to cancel preorders or talking about piracy are not the ways to get this done.

Why not? BioWare is part of EA and there are BioWare emplyoees reading the BSN. Threatening to not play the game they are working hard for because of their publisher can be quite effective if enough people are doing it.
It has a lot more weight if a developer tells EA that they are worried about the peoples reaction than people spamming EA support or something.

IIRC, the Bioware that was is no longer the Bioware that is. Didn't EA fold all of their acquired RPG resources into what Bioware is now when they cleaned house?

[Zanallen]

count_4 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Complaining on the BSN, threatening to cancel preorders or talking about piracy are not the ways to get this done.

Why not? BioWare is part of EA and there are BioWare emplyoees reading the BSN. Threatening to not play the game they are working hard for because of their publisher can be quite effective if enough people are doing it.
It has a lot more weight if a developer tells EA that they are worried about the peoples reaction than people spamming EA support or something.

Other than the Bioware devs and the community managers (And not even all of them), how many EA employees do you think frequent this forum? I would venture to guess close to none. The people who have the power to effect ME3 being on Origin definitely don't. Any information that people at Bioware relay to EA is going to go through several filters and most likely won't have any effect at all until after the release of ME3 at the very least.

On the other hand, organizing a concentrated effort to relay your concerns to EA will show them the number of fans that they will be losing. Getting the media involved would help spread your message beyond the very, very small majority who frequent the BSN and further hit EA in regards to community relations and threaten the bottom line.

[Docjam]

Stouny wrote...

You can buy SWTOR online ONLY (yes ONLY) from ORIGIN. On the other hand, you´ll be able to buy ME3 from almost anywhere, just not from steam. That´s the difference between the two.

Well, the thing is, I bought SW:TOR via a retailer because I didn't want to install Origin, and had been informed (this was my line in the sand before preordering) that TOR wouldn't require Origin for retail copies.  Perfect.

I then learned that even buying the game digitally over Origin would not require installing the Origin client, you'd be emailed the game key and could download the client directly from swtor.com.

When I learned that, i informed my friends who hadn't preordered yet to consider that option to avoid shipping delays, etc.

I was actually quite impressed by the way Bioware managed to handle that (less impressed by Best Buy who wasn't going to send me my preordered copy of the game until December 31st when I'd preordered it back in September and the game launched Dec 20.).  It said to me that Bioware was able to successfully lobby EA to make the game not require installing Origin.

It makes me wonder did Bioware try to get ME3 Origin optional?  If not, why not?  Is EA Aware that they'll be losing sales over it without gaining any because of it?

Why did Bioware go from being able to get EA to back off with Origin for TOR, and is now sticking hard with Origin for ME3 with a "Origin is required and no amount of unhappy customers or lost sales are going to change that"?  Is there an inconsistency there or is it just me?

[Zanallen]

Docjam wrote...

Why did Bioware go from being able to get EA to back off with Origin for TOR, and is now sticking hard with Origin for ME3 with a "Origin is required and no amount of unhappy customers or lost sales are going to change that"?  Is there an inconsistency there or is it just me?

The difference being that Star Wars is a Lucas Arts IP. I would imagine that LA has significant say in how their games are distributed. Meanwhile, ME3 is fully owned by Bioware which is fully owned by EA.

[Lumikki]

Sylvianus wrote...

I do not know. But if companies can determine the preferences of the players, thanks to data collected, the transmission of information is already allowed.

sensitive data, I think that only microsoft, keep them.

But what is the difference between EA and Microsoft ? Why Microsoft would be good, and not EA ?

when you sign a contract  with any company in real life, you always give the necessary information.

(Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

It doesn't make any different what company collects data (information) from you computer, if they don't ask permission.  I conside that action allways rude.

I don't know why you bring microsoft here. Microsoft doesn't force you in data mining. I don't have to use Windows update, it's totally free choice.  I have example downloaded OS updates from microsoft web-page with other computer and installed them to other. My game computer where is microsoft OS, doesn't even have internet connection, how does these companies collect data?

Point been, what other company make so, that if you don't give them data mining possibility in your own computer, they other softwares doesn't work at all?

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:47 .

[hangmans tree]

First I would like to adress, again, matter of data collection.

There is a little misleading part in the answers provided by Chris. We know there are 'game data' and 'personal data' collected by Origin. Now I would like to know are BOTH in opt out group?
Can I just install Origin and have it dormant except for one time connection for product activation? And ONLY activation, not data exchange in the exact same moment?

Another thing is what it seems to me buy it or dont, your call, we dont giva a **** approach by EA (and by EA I mean Bioware too...). As a long time fan I feel a little left out. Bioware doesnt care about its fans? What gives? Maybe I am a little blinded by my frustration and irritation. I KNOW I dont have to buy it. But then why did I invest so much time and effort/support in ME franchise for? All I hear is you dont have to buy it. But I want to. Without Origin. If the client is supposed to be that great and all, have nice features and whatnot why is it obligatory? Give us a choice! What is this? 1984?
I dont need it, I dont want it.

Its a really low trick knowing most people invested so much time and were dying to play ME3. How can they abandon the thought... how many addicts would refuse the last shot before going to rehab?

I still consider the practices (Origin, EULAs) morally indecent and balancing on law and consumers rights circumvention - abusing gaps and whatnot.

[GirlPower23]

Zanallen wrote...
Other than the Bioware devs and the community managers (And not even all of them), how many EA employees do you think frequent this forum? I would venture to guess close to none. The people who have the power to effect ME3 being on Origin definitely don't. Any information that people at Bioware relay to EA is going to go through several filters and most likely won't have any effect at all until after the release of ME3 at the very least.

On the other hand, organizing a concentrated effort to relay your concerns to EA will show them the number of fans that they will be losing. Getting the media involved would help spread your message beyond the very, very small majority who frequent the BSN and further hit EA in regards to community relations and threaten the bottom line.

It's kind of the point of a community rep to rely information back to "The People" who need to know. 

[Docjam]

Speaking of lobbying EA.. how can we, as a lost customer over this decision, get that message to EA. Simply not buying the game is not the right message. The message we want to send is not "We're not buying your game" alone, which could be for any number of reasons, but what I want EA to understand is "I was planning on buying this game but the requirement to install the Origin client is a deal breaker and I refuse to buy this game or any other in the future that requires installation of this client."

[Wittand25]

Docjam wrote...
Well, the thing is, I bought SW:TOR via a retailer because I didn't want to install Origin, and had been informed (this was my line in the sand before preordering) that TOR wouldn't require Origin for retail copies.  Perfect.

I then learned that even buying the game digitally over Origin would not require installing the Origin client, you'd be emailed the game key and could download the client directly from swtor.com.

When I learned that, i informed my friends who hadn't preordered yet to consider that option to avoid shipping delays, etc.

I was actually quite impressed by the way Bioware managed to handle that (less impressed by Best Buy who wasn't going to send me my preordered copy of the game until December 31st when I'd preordered it back in September and the game launched Dec 20.).  It said to me that Bioware was able to successfully lobby EA to make the game not require installing Origin.

It makes me wonder did Bioware try to get ME3 Origin optional?  If not, why not?  Is EA Aware that they'll be losing sales over it without gaining any because of it?

Why did Bioware go from being able to get EA to back off with Origin for TOR, and is now sticking hard with Origin for ME3 with a "Origin is required and no amount of unhappy customers or lost sales are going to change that"?  Is there an inconsistency there or is it just me?

SW:ToR does not need the Origin client because it would be pointless and reduntand as another poster has already pointed out.
By the very nature of being an MMO SW:ToR already fullfills 99% of the functions that the Origin client has, so it really would only be a waste of resources to make it mandatory.

ME3 on the other hand is a single player game. It does need (in the publishers opinion at least) DRM to prevent piracy or at least make it harder to pirate, account binding to prevent second hand sales (thanks Valve), a way to advertise other games/other content related to the game (the fact that there are posters with hundrets of games registered at Steam posting here indicates that this is a very important matter) and community building tools to increase customer retention.

[Docjam]

Wittand25 wrote...

Docjam wrote...
Well, the thing is, I bought SW:TOR via a retailer because I didn't want to install Origin, and had been informed (this was my line in the sand before preordering) that TOR wouldn't require Origin for retail copies.  Perfect.

I then learned that even buying the game digitally over Origin would not require installing the Origin client, you'd be emailed the game key and could download the client directly from swtor.com.

When I learned that, i informed my friends who hadn't preordered yet to consider that option to avoid shipping delays, etc.

I was actually quite impressed by the way Bioware managed to handle that (less impressed by Best Buy who wasn't going to send me my preordered copy of the game until December 31st when I'd preordered it back in September and the game launched Dec 20.).  It said to me that Bioware was able to successfully lobby EA to make the game not require installing Origin.

It makes me wonder did Bioware try to get ME3 Origin optional?  If not, why not?  Is EA Aware that they'll be losing sales over it without gaining any because of it?

Why did Bioware go from being able to get EA to back off with Origin for TOR, and is now sticking hard with Origin for ME3 with a "Origin is required and no amount of unhappy customers or lost sales are going to change that"?  Is there an inconsistency there or is it just me?

SW:ToR does not need the Origin client because it would be pointless and reduntand as another poster has already pointed out.
By the very nature of being an MMO SW:ToR already fullfills 99% of the functions that the Origin client has, so it really would only be a waste of resources to make it mandatory.

ME3 on the other hand is a single player game. It does need (in the publishers opinion at least) DRM to prevent piracy or at least make it harder to pirate, account binding to prevent second hand sales (thanks Valve), a way to advertise other games/other content related to the game (the fact that there are posters with hundrets of games registered at Steam posting here indicates that this is a very important matter) and community building tools to increase customer retention.

What do you mean thanks Valve.. there's some form of second hand sales on Steam right now actually via the trading system.

[Adugan]

hangmans tree wrote...
I still consider the practices (Origin, EULAs) morally indecent and balancing on law and consumers rights circumvention - abusing gaps and whatnot.

Hahaha. Oh my god the irony. Not laughing at you, btw. I am laughing at Chris.

[Kreuznattereinz]

This will be my first and (probably) last time on these forums. I had preordered the CE. Did it in september 2011. Later I learned that it would require the Origin client. I have tried the EA customer support, they never answered any of my questions regarding ME3 and Origin. I have cancelled ME3, because of lack of trust with EA and the fact that the customer support never answered. I would LOVE to play the game, but an ironclad EULA (probably illegal in some country, I live in Sweden) and lack of information convinced me to cancel. Kudos to mr. Woo and Rick, it is really not their fault that the EA don´t tell us, the consumers, about Origin. They have made a great job, all of the devs are heroes in my book. I blame the distributors!

If I may be so bold and suggest a boycot, right here and now. All of you who are disgruntled with how EA has treated us, the consumers, cancel your preorder and tell EA why. I did. They never replied... I hope that together we can make them change.

[Zanallen]

GirlPower23 wrote...

It's kind of the point of a community rep to rely information back to "The People" who need to know. 

Well no. The point of a community manager is to relay information to the community. Marketing tells them what they can talk about and they in turn tell us. Chris can then collect our concerns and send them back up the pipeline, but that doesn't mean the people in charge will listen to him. After all, he's just one man. Even if every single employee working on Bioware games voiced their concerns, it would still only be between 800 and 1200 people.

If the concerned gamers themselves decided to speak up, in a way that conveyed their concerns directly to EA and not relying on a handful of middlemen, that would be tens of thousands of people. That is a little harder to ignore. Frankly, relying on Chris to tell EA what you think seems a little lazy to me. Who ever heard to protest by proxy? If you don't like Origin and you want another option other than not buying ME3, then do something. And by something I don't mean posting on a forum that no one who has any say in the matter actually reads.

[Sylvianus]

Lumikki wrote...

* snip *

I think you missed the context. If I bring Microsoft here, that's because a player asked me a question about that ... And Because, I don't get what a kind of origin would change on console. I am well aware that it is different on PC, BUT I don't see the point to say that a kind of origin could also threat the console, what I saw sometimes in this topic. I'd like to know why they say that.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:01 .

[Zanallen]

Docjam wrote...

Speaking of lobbying EA.. how can we, as a lost customer over this decision, get that message to EA. Simply not buying the game is not the right message. The message we want to send is not "We're not buying your game" alone, which could be for any number of reasons, but what I want EA to understand is "I was planning on buying this game but the requirement to install the Origin client is a deal breaker and I refuse to buy this game or any other in the future that requires installation of this client."

Your best bet would be through a letter or phone call. If you don't feel those are enough to get your voice heard, then contact your local media and express your concerns to them. News agencies love op-ed stories like this.