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[count_4]

Zanallen wrote...

If the concerned gamers themselves decided to speak up, in a way that conveyed their concerns directly to EA and not relying on a handful of middlemen, that would be tens of thousands of people. That is a little harder to ignore.

You are certainly right that an organized sh*tstorm would be best. However, I still haven't seen a reasonable idea to accomplish that.
I'll try to spread my little site (see signature) a little further but I just don't  think it's possible to reach that many people to actually make a difference.

[Lumikki]

Sylvianus wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

* snip *

I think you missed the context. If I bring Microsoft here, that's because a player asked me a question about that ... And Because, I don't get what a kind of origins would change on console. I am well aware that it is different on PC, BUT I don't see the point to say that a kind of origin could also threat the console, what I saw sometimes in this topic. I'd like to know why they say that.

Oh, I don't have any consoles. Never wanted them to anyting.
But I think you don't need to connect console to internet, if you play single player games?
Different is not, what can be done, but what has to be done. Forceful choice or player free choice.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[Wittand25]

Docjam wrote...
What do you mean thanks Valve.. there's some form of second hand sales on Steam right now actually via the trading system.

Steam Support wrote...

Does Steam Trading mean I can sell my used games?
No, only games that have been bought as a gift, and thus have never been played, can be traded. Once the Steam Gift is opened and added to your game library, you won’t be able to trade it again.

Valve was the company that started the forced binding to an account and are the ones who went to court over it.

[BounceDK]

So much drama because the game won't be on steam. Good lord.

[esper]

Adugan wrote...

Ravenknight wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

And even if Origin was spyware on the Xbox/PS3, what would there be to spy on? What games you bought on the marketplace? How many hours you spent playing them? That information is already collected by Microsoft/Sony.

LOL. yeah.

That's why I didn't get his comment.

Do they GIVE that information to EA? Or would EA have to purchase it? (assuming it was actually for sale)

Any answer here would just be guesswork. Maybe EA gets the information for EA games. Maybe they have to buy it from Sony/MS. Nobody really knows.

And even then you have to be connected to the interenet for it tioactually give your data away. You could just theorectically forego all dlc and play off-line.

[apixaez]

BounceDK wrote...

So much drama because the game won't be on steam. Good lord.

Maybe you should bother reading the thread before making uneducated assumptions.
Also you should try refrain from posting if you don't add anything useful to the discussion .. oh crap.

Nice trollbait.

[Sylvianus]

Lumikki wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

* snip *

I think you missed the context. If I bring Microsoft here, that's because a player asked me a question about that ... And Because, I don't get what a kind of origins would change on console. I am well aware that it is different on PC, BUT I don't see the point to say that a kind of origin could also threat the console, what I saw sometimes in this topic. I'd like to know why they say that.

Oh, I don't have any consoles. Never wanted them to anyting.
But I think you don't need to connect console to internet, if you play single player games?
Different is not, what can be done, but what has to be done. Forceful choice or player free choice.

I already said that to be forced to play a game, connected to internet sucked, and several gamers said that I was wrong, and that you don't need to be connected. So who's right ?  <_<

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:09 .

[Mister Mida]

esper wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

Don't know about you, but I don't have to give my address, phone number, etc etc etc to connect to XBox Live.

[Sylvianus]

Mister Mida wrote...

esper wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I would say this , because the majority are console players who don't have to worry about downloading origins.

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

Don't know about you, but I don't have to give my address, phone number, etc etc etc to connect to XBox Live.

How is it possible ? How do you buy your dlc and all other stuff ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .

[Docjam]

Wittand25 wrote...

Docjam wrote...
What do you mean thanks Valve.. there's some form of second hand sales on Steam right now actually via the trading system.

Steam Support wrote...

Does Steam Trading mean I can sell my used games?
No, only games that have been bought as a gift, and thus have never been played, can be traded. Once the Steam Gift is opened and added to your game library, you won’t be able to trade it again.

Valve was the company that started the forced binding to an account and are the ones who went to court over it.

ah okay, I'd never traded anything on Steam before but I'd seen you could trade games over it, didn't know it was only gifted games that'd never been played.

[Mister Mida]

Sylvianus wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

esper wrote...

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

Don't know about you, but I don't have to give my address, phone number, etc etc etc to connect to XBox Live.

How is it possible ? How do you buy your dlc ?

Well, you can buy points for it in a brick and mortar store, and since those points are bound to your account... Why would Microsoft need my address to sell me DLC anyway?

[Lumikki]

Sylvianus wrote...

I already said that to be forced to play a game, connected to internet sucked, and several gamers said that I was wrong, and that you don't need to be connected. So who's right ?  <_<

If player doesn't like to be connected to internet, they can make that choice. Of course it also mean you can play only single player games. Because any multiplayer game requires the connections. Everyone understand this.

Question has been if you choose to play only single player games, can you play them without internet connection. Second thing is if you need the internet connection for single player game, is it just for DRM check or is it also collecting information from you computer or console or about you.

If it's forced information collection, then it's always rude to do so by any company.
Softwares DRM check NEVER needs any personal information from customer.

So, I consider you both right. Some single player games may require internet connection for DRM check and some don't. I also assume that DRM check is more common in PC computer side than consoles. I also assume that in general internet based DRM checks has become more common than they use to be.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:35 .

[Sylvianus]

Mister Mida wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

esper wrote...

I don't get that. What would change a kind of origin on console ?

to be connected to xbox live, you must first have provided many information. (Address, email, account number, phone number, etc etc etc )

Don't know about you, but I don't have to give my address, phone number, etc etc etc to connect to XBox Live.

How is it possible ? How do you buy your dlc ?

Well, you can buy points for it in a brick and mortar store, and since those points are bound to your account... Why would Microsoft need my address to sell me DLC anyway?

Never tried. I see little point doing that, but whatever.

For the bold part, It's like any form of contract with a company that you decide to buy an account, which enables you privileged access. You decide to have an account by payment card , it needs to be followed by assurances that you are an honest client and informations for them to integrate you in their data, that  seems normal to me.

Also, you don't have an account, that isn't the same thing.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .

[xaliqen]

 I will buy Mass Effect 3 when it does not require Origin or when Origin's EULA does not specifically target the privacy and security of my personal information.

As a long-time fan of the Mass Effect series, I'm disappionted in this turn of events.  I support BioWare as a great team producing wonderful creative entertainment.

Nevertheless, I will no longer open my wallet for further EA or BioWare products until I know I will not be required to accept unreasonable demands related to my privacy and personal information.

[Rockworm503]

BounceDK wrote...

So much drama because the game won't be on steam. Good lord.

Reading comprehension.
There are hundreds of pages at this point about what we have against Origin.
It has NOTHING to do with Steam.

[Nesher666]

I don't know if somebody has already considered ONLINE PETITIONING TO BW & EA.

An example:

http://petitionbureau.org/

It would be another option to gather support and raise publicity for these community requests (ME3 release on Steam or ME3 w/o Origin, but this one is less likely to succeed).

Modifié par Nesher666, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:56 .

[Pixieking]

Docjam wrote...

Speaking of lobbying EA.. how can we, as a lost customer over this decision, get that message to EA. Simply not buying the game is not the right message. The message we want to send is not "We're not buying your game" alone, which could be for any number of reasons, but what I want EA to understand is "I was planning on buying this game but the requirement to install the Origin client is a deal breaker and I refuse to buy this game or any other in the future that requires installation of this client."

Emoking wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Is there a customer complaints email for EA?

I used the form on support.ea.com under Mass Effect 3' to complain and referred to the now closed Origin thread.

Oh, thanks muchly. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

[Incognito JC]

Nesher666 wrote...

I don't know if somebody has already considered ONLINE PETITIONING TO BW & EA.

An example:

http://petitionbureau.org/

Somebody did, in the old thread. Then again, this is EA. Very unlikely it'll make an impact.

[Ottemis]

count_4 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

If the concerned gamers themselves decided to speak up, in a way that conveyed their concerns directly to EA and not relying on a handful of middlemen, that would be tens of thousands of people. That is a little harder to ignore.

You are certainly right that an organized sh*tstorm would be best. However, I still haven't seen a reasonable idea to accomplish that.
I'll try to spread my little site (see signature) a little further but I just don't think it's possible to reach that many people to actually make a difference.

So, them having said that while ME3, as it's looking right now, won't be available on Steam due to circumstances but them working to improve their relationship/understanding with Valve/Steam to make this happen isn't enough?

I mean petition stuff all you want, I'm all for, but it seems quite silly to ask them to do something they're already gunning for, going by what's been said.

I don't see the point of your site, sorry. Or rather, your specific request on it.

xaliqen wrote...

 I will buy Mass Effect 3 when it does not require Origin or when Origin's EULA does not specifically target
the privacy and security of my personal information.

Petition that instead I'd say. That suggestion seems to be the root of all evil, judging from what objections people have made.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:08 .

[Pcmag1]

What I am actually most disappointed by is the communication. I had the ME3 pre order for over a month and only yesterday I find out about this? I do realize that it could have been expected. That EA will not miss any opportunity to push forward a piece of software that no one really wants.
But why did the preorder campaign started when everybody must have knew how much flame this would cause.

[Ottemis]

Pcmag1 wrote...

What I am actually most disappointed by is the communication. I had the ME3 pre order for over a month and only yesterday I find out about this? I do realize that it could have been expected. That EA will not miss any opportunity to push forward a piece of software that no one really wants.
But why did the preorder campaign started when everybody must have knew how much flame this would cause.

What was expected was that we'd need to connect to their servers some form or way for activation of the game, DLC and MP. This is all logical, seeing as Origin has been launched and exists, it's also logical they would use that platform.

You (and others) not liking/trusting Origin / EA doesn't per say make it a crappy solution, it's a very logical solution and was to be expected.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[Robhuzz]

Pcmag1 wrote...

What I am actually most disappointed by is the communication. I had the ME3 pre order for over a month and only yesterday I find out about this? I do realize that it could have been expected. That EA will not miss any opportunity to push forward a piece of software that no one really wants.
But why did the preorder campaign started when everybody must have knew how much flame this would cause.

Because EA doesn't care about customers? The only thing that's in their book is a big dollar sign. And really what better way to make money than to take an immensely succesful AAA title, and just take over the entire studio while you're at it, then just shove that needless software down the throats of every paying customer. They'll buy the game anyway...

And really I'm at fault here as well since I absolutely WANT to get ME3 and I pre ordered it while I (and millions of others who hate EA's origin policy) should just cancel their pre order to make a statement. The only way to get a message through to EA is to hit the only thing they care about: Their wallets.

[Pcmag1]

Robhuzz wrote...

Pcmag1 wrote...

What I am actually most disappointed by is the communication. I had the ME3 pre order for over a month and only yesterday I find out about this? I do realize that it could have been expected. That EA will not miss any opportunity to push forward a piece of software that no one really wants.
But why did the preorder campaign started when everybody must have knew how much flame this would cause.

Because EA doesn't care about customers? The only thing that's in their book is a big dollar sign. And really what better way to make money than to take an immensely succesful AAA title, and just take over the entire studio while you're at it, then just shove that needless software down the throats of every paying customer. They'll buy the game anyway...

And really I'm at fault here as well since I absolutely WANT to get ME3 and I pre ordered it while I (and millions of others who hate EA's origin policy) should just cancel their pre order to make a statement. The only way to get a message through to EA is to hit the only thing they care about: Their wallets.

I actually did ME3 N7 collector's edition prorder cancelled- if anybody reads czech:-D 
Stav vaší objednávky byl změněn na:   (Status of order has been changed to:)
Objednávka zrušena                           (Order cancelled)

Poznámka obchodníka: Na žádost zákazníka  (Note:Customer demand)

[AngryFrozenWater]

1. Good to hear that BW finally admits Origin will be a required component to play the game.

2. A one time authorization using a SP game is something I can live with. A constant connection for a MP game makes sense to sync the game data. If that also means constant authorization then MP is just a piggy back for that kind of DRM. That appears the case, because EA servers play no role in MP.

3. I don't have a problem with a service that updates the patches. A check to see if that copy is legit seems fair. However, if that service is used to mask multiple authorizations for a SP game then it seems it is used to piggy back that kind of DRM.

4. It is great that you want to provide service to your customers. However, I cannot see more than that service be providing patches and selling DLCs. BW doesn't have a great track record when it comes to patches. Using Origin to distribute those handful of patches requires me to install yet another intrusive client. I rather deal just with the one I have now (Steam), which has the same goal as Origin, than deal with two of those clients. It is interesting that you bring this as if BW/EA is somehow the victim of the Steam restrictions when at the same time you don't give an inch when your customers feel privacy rights on their side are being violated by you. Sites are constantly being hacked on the net and most, if not all, companies do not want to provide sufficient security for my private data. Having another of those sites, Origin, is only worsening the situation. Your dispute with Steam should be a problem between Steam and EA. As a customer I currently have more trust in Steam than in Origin. I rather see that Steam and EA solve their internal problems, instead of limiting where I can buy products.

5. If you are really interested in the protection of user's data then you should use an opt-in method, instead of opt-out. These opt-out options were kept vague in earlier titles. Just make it opt-in and tell gamers exactly what kind of data is being collected and what will happen to that data. In that case I will be able to make a proper and conscious decision.

6. Origin is qualified by me as spyware, because it collects unknown data using a deliberately vague kept opt-out system.

7. Updating EULAs is not enough to gain my trust (no matter what language they are written in), when in the end the same unknown data is collected for unknown purposes on yet another site that has the potential of being hacked. Given the poor image of EA that doesn't sound like a good idea. If EA is concerned with my privacy rights, like not supporting SOPA suggests, then put your money where your mouth is and start actively supporting my digital privacy rights.

8. Double opt-in for the German marketing e-mails? Good idea. Implement that everywhere. I am sure that the smart part of your fans do not mind making a conscious decision about matters where their privacy is involved. The rest can click twice while listening to the following song:

"I'm The Slime" - Frank Zappa. I wonder what he had to say on matters like those.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .