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[Incognito JC]

Ottemis wrote...

I like to think of myself as an optimistic realist

Pessimists are what optimists call realists, so this makes you a walking paradox?

[Rudy Lis]

Well, since my question regarding Origin offline work has been ignored, I’d like to ask question about ME3 (again). Which version we, people from Eastern Europe, will receive? Will it be “rest of the world, PITA free” ME3 or it will be region-special version and once again there will be comics on deviantart like that Liara’s: “Oh no, Shepard, you can’t go with me, you Pole!” and we had to buy retail from West to make it work?
I’m pretty sure there will be DLCs for ME3 regardless whether Bioware decides to keep Shepard alive or not. And no, I haven't read that so-called "leaked" script or whatever probing it was.
- Hey, have you heard – Shepard is dead!
- Again?
- For the third time?
- Silence! There he comes…

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:03 .

[casadechrisso]

casadechrisso wrote...
I mean, we'd all buy Mass Effect 3 anyway, so EA would get their money anyway, Origin or not. Why force us into that service as long as those that consider it convenient can use it still? It's not that we want to take the option away from you. 

Gotta quote and correct myself here: I would buy it if given the option, I'd of course not run into the store on day one and buy it in the current situation. If I had the freedom of choice, if even Origin was on the disc but with an opt-out, I'd buy it right away. 

Edit: Sigh, I'm ruining myself here - not right away! Since DA2 I'd rather wait a bit and look first. I'd have no touble buying it if 1.) Origin is optional and 2.) the first look is acceptable. Gah. Need coffee. 

Modifié par casadechrisso, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:06 .

[crimzontearz]

good morning rage filled Origin Thread

was any answer given about being able to uninstall origin for SP only campaign runs after the first online authorization?

[Ottemis]

casadechrisso wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Origin provides us with a service of convenience; as many have facilitated such things in the past, I'm sure many were against them every time.
Ofc it would be more convenient if this was handled by one single platform, but it's not.
I appreciate what service it offers and the risk I find are not something I concern myself with for reasons I've laid out as counterarguments in this thread many a time.

Perfectly acceptable, but a highly personal opinion based on your personal user experience. But if you had all other games on Steam, can't you see how unconvenient it is at the same time for Steam users? I'm using Steam, although not for my Mass Effect titles, however thinking about having my games (as in, from the same series) split up like that would make it very unconvenient for me. 

Don't get me wrong, I have actually used Origin before (or rather, EA download manager), it had the one convenient feature that it enabled me to work around a broken DVD drive in a laptop. So yes, for something like that it can be convenient, but it's nothing that makes it stand out so far, and having to use Origin for only one or two titles while the rest is on the direct competitor's library makes things rather chaotic for many. 
That's why I'm fighting for a freedom of choice. I mean, we'd all buy Mass Effect 3 anyway, so EA would get their money anyway, Origin or not. Why force us into that service as long as those that consider it convenient can use it still? It's not that we want to take the option away from you.

I am a steam user, I own the Mass Effect titles and Dragon Age 2 via Origin though because I got a stellar deal there (coincidently really) and I own both DA:O and Awakenings boxed. To me both offer a service I appreciate, the competition where appliccable is beneficial to me and the fact that multiple platforms exist is logical. In a perfect world, we'd only need one. As it stands, that's not the situation we're in. That's where the realist in me kicks in.
Steam is not a competitor in a certain sense when it doesn't host the same games, and as I understand it, EA's titles currently not on Steam is not nessecarily because they plainly decided against having them there (which would make sense seeing their revenue would logicly increase from offering their product over a vast variety of digital platforms and retailers).

The question HOW Origin is directly involved when authenticating the game/DLC and when playing Multiplayer is still interesting to me, and paramount to others, especially seeing Origin's involvement in running EA games is not consistently the same. I'm guessing more detailed information about that wouldn't hurt this discussion. As are there other questions that could do with an answer, which is exactly why this thread exists in the end.

Incognito JC wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I like to think of myself as an optimistic realist

Pessimists are what optimists call realists, so this makes you a walking paradox?

In more ways then one but let's not get into it =P

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:15 .

[Dragoonlordz]

casadechrisso wrote...

What does it add, why do you, the pro-crowd, defend it so much on every single front, instead of just accepting that there is a large crowd that simply doesn't want it for a multitude of reasons? Is it because you don't like to see the thread constantly popping up on page one and is easily confused with the twitter/pre-order bonus thread, or why?

It has nothing to do with being Pro-Origin or Anti-Origin. The ones who have questions about what Origin does and does not do currently, the ones who want to know how it compares to Steam or other digital distribution clients; those are the majority of people that other customers such as myself who [have no problem] with Origin as a DD service client and game front end launcher have been responding to mostly. Because those are the only ones that will get answers that specifically [can be] resolved.

The ones who do not wish to use have any clients are not going to achieve anything on BSN as EA informed Bioware then Chris informed us has already stated "It WILL come with the client and that will not change" on the first page. All this is very much covered on the earlier pages which newcomers (to this thread) may have skipped through instead of reading because they just want to speak and not listen. The ones who attack Bioware and the staff are achieving nothing and I do mean nothing by this and reasons why again were explained on the earlier pages.

Those of us who tried to help the ones who can be helped meaning the first two sets of people I mentioned just now in understanding some issues are the only ones that can be helped really. The one's who wish for no clients at all or just not Origin cannot be helped including even those who wish for Opt In or Opt Out, Bioware have stated this and EA have stated this as well as must have dawned on most people by now ME3 will come with Origin (no and, if's or buts about it). So that section of people honestly and not being mean or condescending are truthfully left with only the choice of buying the product on offer or not buying. Followed by contacting EA direct is another option, there is nothing more Bioware can do about this. If enough of you feel that way it may change after ME3 but not by attacking Bioware or other customer here who do not share you view, we all realise right now I am sure that EA will not cave in on this very one issue at all since it is their long term goal to push Origin and compete with Steam alongside other DD services. Though the Opt In and Opt Out crowd have more of a chance than those who just say no to any client do.

What Stanley said earlier (he was not being mean about it and not being confrontational) was not the wrong thing to say but the realistic and reality of the stage we are at. That there is not much they can do about this one issue and it really comes down to if you cannot accept the product [as will be sold is] nothing they do or say to you other than express regret you feel that way can be done and leave the choice up to you if wish to continue to support Bioware or not. Those who will never move from their stance in this issue, there is really is not much more they can do than tell the truth explaining the product offered if wish to buy which is stated on first page. If you cannot agree to what is being sold/offered/distributed as then that is when your freedom to decide on buy or not kicks in, there is nothing more they can do about that.

If wish to try to change EA's mind the only way is to not buy and/or write letters to them but we all know EA are not easy pushovers and they are not going to change their stance however there is nothing wrong in trying but I feel that there is better ways to do it than sort of thing going on in here. I even honestly wish you luck in doing so because I have nothing against others wishing or wanting different things than each other but as it stands right now ME3 will have Origin there is no possibility of that changing between now and release. With some major luck needed by those who are offended or have other reasons to dislike Origin etc then best chance will come after ME3 release. All of this is covered earlier in the thread in much, much more detail.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:17 .

[Seraphim1969]

[inappropriate comments removed]

I will stick to my 200+ games on Steam, if EA doesnt want my money, others do and I am glad that they do. If EA wants their own distribution system, split the market, loose gamers, its their problem, but they need to be ready to loose their jobs and at some point their precious company as well because of it. I think what they are doing is contraproductive, so I hope their agony will not take too long. There are many many fantastic games out there, that are not from EA and I will gladly pay for them. And surprise surprise, many of my friends think the same thing. 
By the way, ban me if you want to, the only way to receive some of my hard earned money with Origin needed is only one: 

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:23 .

[Dragoonlordz]

crimzontearz wrote...

good morning rage filled Origin Thread

was any answer given about being able to uninstall origin for SP only campaign runs after the first online authorization?

I don't recall seeing such answered no. But I would like to ask you what do you think is the answer, genuinely curious (I think you already know what I believe the answer will be but I don't know what you think the answer will be). 

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

I haven't read that so-called "leaked" script or whatever probing it was.

That makes two of us, I stayed a million miles away from anything to do with that information as one thing I cannot stand is spoilers.

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...


There isn't going to be a storm. Some angry comments on internet forums and a few thousand less PC sales than expected are not a storm. The game will still sell better than ME1 or ME2, and Origin's user base will increase. 

Which amounts to ****all.  They don't have a solid library from which to build that userbase and trying to go head to head with Steam when you have around 40-50 titles on your store?  LOL, good luck.  Origin = DOA.

Is it? I'm not saying they did it on purpose because I'm the kind to actually believe them when they say they'd rather had it another way, but Origin delivers ALL EA titltes, while Steam does not. In that sense it's not a simple competition, because they're not fully competing. Steam is not restricted to Valve titles, that's the whole charm of it, I get that, they get that. While the two are comparable one way, they're absolutely not another. Important to keep in mind.

Tup3xi wrote...





EA, just add the damn opt out tickbox for privacy related things so that those who are against Origin because of their principles would stop whining...

Why though, it's protected in the EULA, they even emphasize to respect people's privacy and ensure us that it doesn't gather anything but Origin and game relevant information, and that only if you let it.


The drama over it is nonsensical.

I agree but for the sake of those paranoid people, that seems to be the only option. I bet that they are rather vocal minority, nothing more. Sorry about large white space, blame Opera Mobile.

[HeartbreakRidge]

Just a quick note for the benefit of EA - I would buy a PC copy of many of your games (ME3 included) if they were on Steam (especially if they have Steam achievements). I will NOT buy any PC copies on Origin (or, really, any copies that are NOT Steam), period, full stop.

Now pardon me, I need to go buy another copy of Skyrim on Steam!

Modifié par HeartbreakRidge, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:22 .

[count_4]

Ottemis wrote...
Steam is not a competitor in a certain sense when it doesn't host the same games

When Origin was first announced  a while back, I was actually quite excited to see a new distribution platform and would have happily accepted it as a second platform besides Steam. Especially because of the competition you mentioned as competition is good for us customers.
But EA failed to deliver. The software is inferior to Steam, they pulled some evil stunts with the EULA and the only way to push their platform is to force players to use it.
Up to now Steam and Origin mainly exist in their own ecosphere and I think most people would prefer Steam over Origin if they had a choice. EA needs to realize they have to make the users appreciate their platform out of free will by being a competitor to Steam that is worth using.
Otherwise most players will remain reluctant to deliberately use it and remain angry if they are forced to do so.

[Massefeckt]

I guess some people are happy to be told they're eating caviare and champagne even though they have dog food on their plate. Others kick up a fuss and complain to the manager.

For those saying it's just the way things are, there have been other DRM/anti piracy measures that have been got rid of because fans kicked up a fuss on the internet. The idea of just giving up and bending over is a very sad indictment of today's society.

As legal and paying customers you should not get a worse, more intrusive and unreliable service than someone who pirates games.

Modifié par Massefeckt, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:32 .

[Wulfram]

Steam's given me free stuff. If Origin gave me free stuff, I'd probably like them more.

[Ottemis]

count_4 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
Steam is not a competitor in a certain sense when it doesn't host the same games

When Origin was first announced  a while back, I was actually quite excited to see a new distribution platform and would have happily accepted it as a second platform besides Steam. Especially because of the competition you mentioned as competition is good for us customers.
But EA failed to deliver. The software is inferior to Steam, they pulled some evil stunts with the EULA and the only way to push their platform is to force players to use it.
Up to now Steam and Origin mainly exist in their own ecosphere and I think most people would prefer Steam over Origin if they had a choice. EA needs to realize they have to make the users appreciate their platform out of free will by being a competitor to Steam that is worth using.
Otherwise most players will remain reluctant to deliberately use it and remain angry if they are forced to do so.

Ofc they would pref Steam over Origin, Origin is restricted to EA titles. Steam's coverage so to speak is alot larger and chances of being able to buy most ifnot all games via Steam exist while being non-existant with Origin.
Origin had a rocky start and it's still young (hell.. still in beta even yeah), but looking at their EULA now, I don't see anyhting I personally have issues with. Given time it has potential to grow into a nice platform with a thicker userbase which will increase it viability in use. Realisticly if Origin's friendslist is being used in ME3's multiplayer matchmaking, that would help towards making it a more viable client aswell, and people new to digital platforms will probably judge it less harshly than those owning tons of games via Steam already.

Again though, we're not completely sure to which extend we need to use Origin for ME3, how is it integrated with the game and how will it all function? I find it futile to assume something when games before have not followed a pattern in that sense either. Atleast, not the games I have experience with on Origin.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[Lux]

Here's some questions in order to better clarify prospective customers:

1) After first time activation, will I be able to run ME3 in single-player mode without origin running in the background?

2) After first time activation, could I uninstall Origin and still be able to play just in single-player mode? Or will that conflict with the multiplayer component of the game?

3) Will I always need Origin for every new installation of ME3, even if it's done from a computer that had a previous install?

4) Will there be an option to opt-out from Origin's data feedback to EA besides the opt-out specifically in place for ME3? Please make it so.

5) In order to continue to improve service and communication with customers, will ME3 DLC be sold on Origin?

Modifié par Merkar, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Massefeckt wrote...

I guess some people are happy to be told they're eating caviare and champagne even though they have dog food on their plate. Others kick up a fuss and complain to the manager.

For those saying it's just the way things are, there have been other DRM/anti piracy measures that have been got rid of because fans kicked up a fuss on the internet. The idea of just giving up and bending over is a very sad indictment of today's society.

As legal and paying customers you should not get a worse, more intrusive and unreliable service than someone who pirates games.

Other peoples view and opinions are no more or less valid than your own and that works both ways, but if you come at them in such a condescending and belittling way it does your view and opinion no credit. 

[Ottemis]

What he said. *points at Dragoonlordz

Wulfram wrote...
Steam's given me free stuff. If Origin gave me free stuff, I'd probably like them more.

Doesn't that just make you cheap? =P I kid I kid, hehe

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[count_4]

Ottemis wrote...
Ofc they would pref Steam over Origin, Origin is restricted to EA titles. Steam's coverage so to speak is alot larger and chances of being able to buy most ifnot all games via Steam exist while being non-existant with Origin.

I meant solely as a client and social/distribution platform, independent from their respective game catalogue.
When it comes to the amount of games, Origin will probably never stand a chance against Steam. But it doesn't have to if it offers things people want.
Matchmaking that incorporates the friends list for ME3 would at least be a good start to slowly catch up to the Steamworks API but it'll be a long way...

Modifié par count_4, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:49 .

[Sundance31us]

Wulfram wrote...
Steam's given me free stuff. If Origin gave me free stuff, I'd probably like them more.

They did give away free copies of Mass Effect 2 for PC when DAII when gold.

BioWare invites you to participate in our Sequel Celebration!

Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support. As a special thank you for helping with the game's early success, BioWare would like to present you with a download code for 2010's Game of the Year, Mass Effect 2 on PC.

http://social.biowar...index/6945150/1

[count_4]

Sundance31us wrote...
They did give away free copies of Mass Effect 2 for PC when DAII when gold.

Now that you mention it...I think I still have that code somewhere. Along with another DA2 code. Anyone interested in the former (if I can find it that is...)? 

Modifié par count_4, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:51 .

[casadechrisso]

Massefeckt wrote...

I guess some people are happy to be told they're eating caviare and champagne even though they have dog food on their plate. Others kick up a fuss and complain to the manager.

For those saying it's just the way things are, there have been other DRM/anti piracy measures that have been got rid of because fans kicked up a fuss on the internet. The idea of just giving up and bending over is a very sad indictment of today's society.

And this is where I completely agree with you based on past experience. The only way to get things changed in this industry is indeed creating a fuss and don't swallow. Of course companies try to prepare for negative feedback, give us PR standard talk and channel it into... support/feedback mail adresses, boards created for that purpose etc. etc. 

All my past experience tells me only one thing, that these are the measures to keep the fuss down and muffle it until the waves have calmed. I've yet to see one protest succeed via the "official channels". 

This is not my opinion because I love creating chaos or being a loudmouth, quite the opposite, I take pride in trying to be a calm, realistic person. But realism is why I came to this conclusion - only a loud protest that threatens a company's image can actually change something.
The German EULA changes are the latest examples, all this started on Battlefield boards too and from fans who refused to swallow whatever PR talk they were fed. The whole legal stuff kicked off much later, after EA was already facing an image loss due to internet fuss, bad amazon ratings and players massively returning their BF3 copies to the stores. 

[Wulfram]

Sundance31us wrote...

Wulfram wrote...
Steam's given me free stuff. If Origin gave me free stuff, I'd probably like them more.

They did give away free copies of Mass Effect 2 for PC when DAII when gold.

Giving stuff away with the purchase of other stuff isn't the same as giving away stuff for free.

And I'd already got one.

[Thoth_Amon]

Ottemis wrote...

Ofc they would pref Steam over Origin, Origin is restricted to EA titles. Steam's coverage so to speak is alot larger and chances of being able to buy most ifnot all games via Steam exist while being non-existant with Origin.
Origin had a rocky start and it's still young (hell.. still in beta even yeah), but looking at their EULA now, I don't see anyhting I personally have issues with. Given time it has potential to grow into a nice platform with a thicker userbase which will increase it viability in use. Realisticly if Origin's friendslist is being used in ME3's multiplayer matchmaking, that would help towards making it a more viable client aswell, and people new to digital platforms will probably judge it less harshly than those owning tons of games via Steam already.

People need to quit saying this.  Betas last for 7 years?  It's not new and it's had a rocky 7 years because EA has no clue about the PC market, much like Ubisoft.  EA's had almost as long as Valve to develop a competent platform but they didn't.

I do appreciate your reply to my earlier post.  Cheers.  

[Ottemis]

count_4 wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...
They did give away free copies of Mass Effect 2 for PC when DAII when gold.

Now that you mention it...I think I still have that code somewhere. Along with another DA2 code. Anyone interested in the former (if I can find it that is...)? 

Yep that and the easter 50% off sale last April bought me ME1+Pinnacle, ME2 and DA2 for 32.50 euro's total.
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