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[AshedMan]

It was expected, but I'm quite disappointed with you, EA BioWare. The EA dominates your name more and more with every release.

[Thoth_Amon]

Sundance31us wrote...

BioWare invites you to participate in our Sequel Celebration!

Thanks to gamers like you, Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins. We appreciate your support. As a special thank you for helping with the game's early success, BioWare would like to present you with a download code for 2010's Game of the Year, Mass Effect 2 on PC.

http://social.biowar...index/6945150/1

Hahaha, I know that's standard practice but it's kind of funny after the red headed stepchild treatment Origins received.  Also, how come we didn't get a follow-up promotion after DA2 outsold Origins?  

[casadechrisso]

Sundance31us wrote...

They did give away free copies of Mass Effect 2 for PC when DAII when gold.

Well, *cough*... this is of course not official, but to me it was pretty clear it was because DA2 faced such negative feedback and they tried to sell more. 

[Ottemis]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Ofc they would pref Steam over Origin, Origin is restricted to EA titles. Steam's coverage so to speak is alot larger and chances of being able to buy most ifnot all games via Steam exist while being non-existant with Origin.
Origin had a rocky start and it's still young (hell.. still in beta even yeah), but looking at their EULA now, I don't see anyhting I personally have issues with. Given time it has potential to grow into a nice platform with a thicker userbase which will increase it viability in use. Realisticly if Origin's friendslist is being used in ME3's multiplayer matchmaking, that would help towards making it a more viable client aswell, and people new to digital platforms will probably judge it less harshly than those owning tons of games via Steam already.

People need to quit saying this.  Betas last for 7 years?  It's not new and it's had a rocky 7 years because EA has no clue about the PC market, much like Ubisoft.  EA's had almost as long as Valve to develop a competent platform but they didn't.

I do appreciate your reply to my earlier post.  Cheers. 

Hell, everything will always be in constant development or you're not doing it right, so yes, the entire label 'beta' is irrelevant, but then so's your argument because I was talking about Origin.
Initial release June 3, 2011

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 02:57 .

[crimzontearz]

sorry for the delayed answer Dragoon, I'm at work typing from my Android Phone. Alright...I am "expecting" the answer to be a big fat NO. On the other hand, since I do not put making some right moves past EA on occasion (look at the amalur promotion....very well done), I am hoping for a yes as a sing of good faith. Bioware (at least the ME team) has a very good track record when it comes to listening to the fans and pulled some impressive (in perspective) things in the past so all in all hope is last to die.

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

That makes two of us, I stayed a million miles away from anything to do with that information as one thing I cannot stand is spoilers.

Where is handshaking smilie when you need one?
And regarding spoilers - I'm not as much against them, like I am against "leaks on purpose".

Wulfram wrote...

Steam's given me free stuff. If Origin gave me free stuff, I'd probably like them more.

Steam gave me nothing. Origin gave me Pinnacle station (ironicly, I had none in store till they add one to my account). Still think Origin had something worth improving.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[Pkxm]

"Please remember:
Mass Effect 3 WILL require Origin for all PC editions, both physical and digital. This will not change.
Mass Effect 3 is not currently available on Steam. This may change in the future, but complaining to BioWare/EA that it is not on Steam will not help. We continue to work with Steam/Valve to make Mass Effect 3 available on Steam."I get the impression from reading this that even if ME3 becomes available on Steam it will still require Origin..which is EA completely missing the OMG I WANT IT ON STEAM point

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote..

Other peoples view and opinions are no more or less valid than your own and that works both ways, but if you come at them in such a condescending and belittling way it does your view and opinion no credit. 

Sadly, he does have a point: most gamers reaction to getting hosed is apathy rather than outrage.

Customer bases shouldn't fear thier game companies, game companies should fear thier customer bases.

[hangmans tree]

crimzontearz wrote...

sorry for the delayed answer Dragoon, I'm at work typing from my Android Phone. Alright...I am "expecting" the answer to be a big fat NO. On the other hand, since I do not put making some right moves past EA on occasion (look at the amalur promotion....very well done), I am hoping for a yes as a sing of good faith. Bioware (at least the ME team) has a very good track record when it comes to listening to the fans and pulled some impressive (in perspective) things in the past so all in all hope is last to die.

I'm not sure what are you referring to but Chris said that ME3 will come with obligatory Origin. Period. No last second miraculous change of heart is possible.
Or something.

[Ottemis]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote..
Other peoples view and opinions are no more or less valid than your own and that works both ways, but if you come at them in such a condescending and belittling way it does your view and opinion no credit. 

Sadly, he does have a point: most gamers reaction to getting hosed is apathy rather than outrage.

Customer bases shouldn't fear thier game companies, game companies should fear thier customer bases.

This applies to the world. Different debate altogether, apathy / fear / where power lies and should lie.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:05 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Well, ME3 will be the last EA game I buy that requires Origin. Period. They can change it or deal with the consequences. Over the past year, I have bought these EA games:

Mass Effect
Mass Effect 2
Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age 2
Crysis 2
Battlefield: BC 2
Bulletstorm
Dead Space
Dead Space 2
Medal of Honor
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Mirror's Edge
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
The Saboteur

So yeah, that's your choice, EA.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:09 .

[jamesp81]

count_4 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

The statement about it using a windows function is meaningless.  See my post on page 37 dealing with this.

Read your post. What EA basically says it that they changed some file/folder permissions and the Windows API call that does this, triggers a filename scan on the directory.
There is nothing Origin can do about it short of not changing any permissions at all. It's indeed nor their fault that this happens.

The more important question is: Which permissions are they changing? Has EA commented on that?

The implication of their statement was "It's OK now.  Origin did used to scan files, now Windows does the scanning."

Which is kind of a pointless thing to say.  Windows always did the scanning at the direction of the software.  That was always, and always will be, the case.  What matters is what the Origin software is directing Windows to scan.

I'm sorry, but words have meanings.  If that's not what they meant to say, they should've said what they actually meant.

[Thoth_Amon]

Ottemis wrote...

Hell, everything will always be in constant development or you're not doing it right, so yes, the entire label 'beta' is irrelevant, but then so's your argument because I was talking about Origin.
Initial release June 3, 2011

That is definitely true.  But, it's 2012.  Such a sub-par service isn't acceptable when other much smaller companies do it so much better.  It's a totally weak excuse to keep saying "bbut it's new!"  

[Ottemis]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Hell, everything will always be in constant development or you're not doing it right, so yes, the entire label 'beta' is irrelevant, but then so's your argument because I was talking about Origin.
Initial release June 3, 2011

That is definitely true.  But, it's 2012.  Such a sub-par service isn't acceptable when other much smaller companies do it so much better.  It's a totally weak excuse to keep saying "bbut it's new!" 

Hmm well, subpar. They offered me a solid deal, which was the only reason I could even get DA2 as 'close' to it's release. I've personally never had issues with Origin, beta or no.
I'm happy sofar, you're not, fair enough. Just don't speak for everyone, because you can't.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:13 .

[count_4]

jamesp81 wrote...
 What matters is what the Origin software is directing Windows to scan.

Origin isn't - that's the whole point of EA's comment on this.
Origin is using an API call that has the side-effect of scanning that directory, no matter what Origin does. If that is the case you can neither blame Origin for it nor does it hurt in any way.

[jamesp81]

Ottemis wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
Steam is not a competitor in a certain sense when it doesn't host the same games

When Origin was first announced  a while back, I was actually quite excited to see a new distribution platform and would have happily accepted it as a second platform besides Steam. Especially because of the competition you mentioned as competition is good for us customers.
But EA failed to deliver. The software is inferior to Steam, they pulled some evil stunts with the EULA and the only way to push their platform is to force players to use it.
Up to now Steam and Origin mainly exist in their own ecosphere and I think most people would prefer Steam over Origin if they had a choice. EA needs to realize they have to make the users appreciate their platform out of free will by being a competitor to Steam that is worth using.
Otherwise most players will remain reluctant to deliberately use it and remain angry if they are forced to do so.

Ofc they would pref Steam over Origin, Origin is restricted to EA titles. Steam's coverage so to speak is alot larger and chances of being able to buy most ifnot all games via Steam exist while being non-existant with Origin.
Origin had a rocky start and it's still young (hell.. still in beta even yeah), but looking at their EULA now, I don't see anyhting I personally have issues with. Given time it has potential to grow into a nice platform with a thicker userbase which will increase it viability in use. Realisticly if Origin's friendslist is being used in ME3's multiplayer matchmaking, that would help towards making it a more viable client aswell, and people new to digital platforms will probably judge it less harshly than those owning tons of games via Steam already.

Again though, we're not completely sure to which extend we need to use Origin for ME3, how is it integrated with the game and how will it all function? I find it futile to assume something when games before have not followed a pattern in that sense either. Atleast, not the games I have experience with on Origin.

Do you seriously think they won't break the EULA if it suits them to do so?

[Ottemis]

jamesp81 wrote...
Do you seriously think they won't break the EULA if it suits them to do so?

I think it highly unlikely they would change the EULA in any way that would negatively impact us now or this privacy concearn, yes. You are free to think differently.

[AndrewRogue]

jamesp81 wrote...
Do you seriously think they won't break the EULA if it suits them to do so?

Depends on their interest in class action suits.

[Lux]

AndrewRogue wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
Do you seriously think they won't break the EULA if it suits them to do so?

Depends on their interest in class action suits.

What class action lawsuits?

[Ottemis]

Sony did it!

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[crimzontearz]

I am referring to the question that was asked him before and repeated by me earlier which Dragoon and I were discussing, Hangman's.

Will you be able to do the one time online verification through origin and then uninstall the software or will we have to keep it running even for singleplayer only runs?

we have been asking this for a while with no answer

[AndrewRogue]

Touche.

Really? That's becoming an oddly annoying clause trend. I haven't actually used Origin, so I haven't seen its EULA. Fair enough counterpoint, then.

I'll raise a general "If companies can break their EULA whenever they want, then I don't know why we trust Steam or whatever, since they can do it too" but you are right in this specific case, and that's troubling. Do you know what other companies have this sort of clause?

Think I need to write my congressman about this sort of clause. Its a real issue.

[Ottemis]

crimzontearz wrote...

I am referring to the question that was asked him before and repeated by me earlier which Dragoon and I were discussing, Hangman's.

Will you be able to do the one time online verification through origin and then uninstall the software or will we have to keep it running even for singleplayer only runs?

we have been asking this for a while with no answer

Chris stated he'd take the questions up for answers but has no ETA on them.
He's just the middleman after all.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:31 .

[crimzontearz]

I know Ottemis...hence why I originally asked if we got an answer yet. The Dragoon asked me what I was expecting as an answer

[Ottemis]

crimzontearz wrote...

I know Ottemis...hence why I originally asked if we got an answer yet. The Dragoon asked me what I was expecting as an answer

Ah sorry, I'm tired as balls. Maybe this is my que to leave and take another nap hehe.