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[Dragoonlordz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

This issue is not going away until ME3 is available in a retail hardcopy without Origin.

And they said already in no uncertain terms that will not happen. There comes a point in time when it goes from fighting for change to banging head against brick wall and I think even you know this. I am not being mean and have no reason to dislike you and your views but just stating what we both should already. 

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Fredvdp wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So uhm, when will the toolkit come out for modders? You know, like the one you guys did for Dragon Age?

Off topic and they already said that won't be possible because of the complexity (they can't run the tool on just one PC) and third party tools they can't legally distribute.

it doesnt matter for those who hate everything

[Fredvdp]

Alex06 wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

So uhm, when will the toolkit come out for modders? You know, like the one you guys did for Dragon Age?

Off topic and they already said that won't be possible because of the complexity (they can't run the tool on just one PC) and third party tools they can't legally distribute.

Sounds odd, because the game is using Unreal Engine 3...

Heavilly modified UE.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:20 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

photographerleia wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

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The more people post "I hate Origin, no game for me, etc" instead of asking questions, the mroe time it is going to take before I can even get around to asking the questions.

This will not stop people from posting their opinions, but it will delay me in getting your answers.

True, but please keep in mind that "I hate Origin, no game for me, etc"  IS the issue here.

It is precisely the issue. 

And before anyone thinks to make a snide comment, we hate Origin for a long list of reasons, as very thoroughly detailed on multiple threads (most of them locked no, no shock there).

[Wardka]

photographerleia wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

<snip>

The more people post "I hate Origin, no game for me, etc" instead of asking questions, the mroe time it is going to take before I can even get around to asking the questions.

This will not stop people from posting their opinions, but it will delay me in getting your answers.

True, but please keep in mind that "I hate Origin, no game for me, etc"  IS the issue here.

Thank you! Yes, this is exactly it. We're not trying to cause trouble here, we want to play Mass Effect 3. Just not with Origin getting in our way. THAT is the reason the previous thread reached 200 pages, and THAT is the issue here.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

This issue is not going away until ME3 is available in a retail hardcopy without Origin.

And they said already in no uncertain terms that will not happen. There comes a point in time when it goes from fighting for change to banging head against brick wall and I think even you know this. I am not being mean and have no reason to dislike you and your views but just stating what we both should already. 

And the sad thing is, in the end, Origin being mandatory is really the fault of the consumers.  If more consumers valued their privacy and security, and their basic rights as consumers, over a damn video game, EA would never try the crap that they're trying here. 

[slimgrin]

jtav wrote...

Will Origin affect our ability to mod our singleplayer saves the way we do with the first two games?

I'd bet my left nut it will, which is why I brought it up. I hardly own a game I don't apply mods to.

[Fredvdp]

The main question I want answered is "What does Origin add to the Mass Effect 3 single-player experience?" If the answer is "nothing" it means you're doing it wrong.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:26 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

PDesign wrote...

jtav wrote...

Will Origin affect our ability to mod our singleplayer saves the way we do with the first two games?

No.

Don't count on that "no" being true.

[AlexMBrennan]

Since when is software companies [disappointing] their users news? That's the way it has always been, and will always be. No liability of any kind ("Products must fit their description and be fit for purpose" - not if it's software!), EULAs (probably literally) require you to sell your soul to EA, developers dictating how you use your computer (remember Trusted Computing a couple of years back?) and continuing to do the impossible with DRM (As any hobby security engineer can tell your, DRM is physically impossible. Stopping people from cheating is physically impossible - but I'm sure that *your* developers are about to find a way to turn lead into gold any day now.



[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...

jtav wrote...

Will Origin affect our ability to mod our singleplayer saves the way we do with the first two games?

I'd bet my left nut it will, which is why I brought it up. I hardly own a game I don't apply mods to.

My mods mostly consist of giving SHep different color armor than the vanilla game gives him so...

[Alex06]

PDesign wrote...

You can run Origin in offline mode.

Which requires an internet connection. What if I just want to play Mass Effect 3 when I'm on vacation in Cuba, for example, and there's no unlimited, free wi-fi available?

Most wi-fis in hotels only allow browsers and chat programs, and block games, or are extremely slow and cost a lot for merely an hour of use. And you have to be in the hotel's lobby. To play in your hotel room, you have to pay extra, and it's not cheap, and once again, they tend to block games because otherwise, it eats their server and annoys everyone who's using their internet connection.

Origin offline mode, like Steam's, is merely a glorified "Appear Offline" feature. You still need an active internet connection, because you have to log in to your account to activate it.

[Wardka]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

And they said already in no uncertain terms that will not happen. There comes a point in time when it goes from fighting for change to banging head against brick wall and I think even you know this. I am not being mean and have no reason to dislike you and your views but just stating what we both should already. 

I actually agree with you. And I'm sure that BioWare and EA both would be happier if we just went away.

I'll probably do just that - eventually. I'm still interested in hearing what BioWare (or rather, EA, since that's what we get to hear) has to say about all of this, which is why I'm sticking around for now. I'm under now illusion that anything will actually change. EA is pushing Origin too hard for that, and BioWare has no say in this.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fredvdp wrote...

The main question I want answered is "What does Origin add to the Mass Effect 3 single-player experience?" If the answer is "none" it means you're doing it wrong.

DING DING DING!

[Alpha Bootis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Alpha Bootis wrote...

EA needs to realize Valve controls the Online gaming distribution market with a rather convincing percentage of some 70%. You cannot switch to Origin even if you would want to. You would ALWAYS be bound to steam unless you would say a very expensive goodbye to everything in your steam account. Given that fact, what purpose would be served in Switching to Origin? Anyone who can riddle me that gets a cookie.

You do realise that you can have Origin and Steam instaled on the same computer right ? And that you can stop either service as soon as you stop playing a game requireing them ?

I fail to see why people would suddenly be forced to switch and not simply use both. I have both on this computer and Steam is only running if I play a Steam game. Origin is not running at all since I do not own any game that would require it right now and I only occasionaly run Origin to keep it up to date and to test what it actually does (which is not very much).

What purpose is served in running two game managers if i even question the purpose of one?

Same reason might run three or just one. All three companies want income from their own services anyone who believes Steam exist not for profit is simply on most basic level wrong just like EA who wants a peice of the pie with their own version of DD service especially given they make some of the biggest games each year and have around 30 million customers and just like Ubisoft who wants control over it's own products. Reason for having any is you want to play the game and they want you to play by their rules which in itself is not insane as they are the ones who spent millions making that product not the customer. Te customer only pays for the product previously released not development of new ones.

Ever heard of the expression ''The customer is always right''?
Its a fading buy very important line. Bioware develops games for us, we don't play them to please them we play them to please ourselves.
Steams prescence on my system is somewhat justified by it servicing over 60 games to me. Origin would serve one, and if everybody has their will youll have a webshop for every developper who's game you buy. Im totally not looking forward to all that bloat on my machine.
And then there is ofcourse still the EULA issue that does not trouble steam but does trouble Origin.

Modifié par Alpha Bootis, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:25 .

[Dragoonlordz]

jtav wrote...

Will Origin affect our ability to mod our singleplayer saves the way we do with the first two games?

Don't think so. I edited my savegame to pick choices for file ME2 using Gibbed and Origin had no effect then I do not see why it would change for ME3. As well as I can use mods on ME2 though I have Origin already installed.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:28 .

[casadechrisso]

Chris Priestly wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

So Chris, what about our questions?

I have many pages of the last thread to read to gather all the questions. The more people post "I hate Origin, no game for me, etc" instead of asking questions, the mroe time it is going to take before I can even get around to asking the questions.

This will not stop people from posting their opinions, but it will delay me in getting your answers.

Okay Chris, buut I think there are actually not many more questions open about Origin but the main one you can probably not answer:

How can we realistically change BiowEA's view and make Origin optional?
By calming down and let the thread sink? Naaaa...
complaining to support@ea.com? Unrealistic.

My question is, what would be the most realistic way to get rid of it. So far the only fool-proof campaigns that worked involved shouting as loud as possible all over the internet and posting 1-star reviews on amazon until the media picks it up and EA is facing an image loss.
Any other suggestions? Because really, it's the only question left for me regarding this topic.

[Aaleel]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The question about whether or not we have to have Origin installed and running after we authenticate the game for SP was aked early and often in the other thread, and early and often in this one.  Can we please have an answer?

Please, use your innate common sense. Of course you do. Give one reason why you wouldn't.

2) Is constant Origin connection requiredor is it a single one off authentication when the game is first
installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?

Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the
number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

Because my innate common sense tells me that the answer to this question would have been constant connection is required for all versions of ME3 if that were the case.

Since it wasn't I would like specifics.  Is SP an offline mode Origin running, or not needed to run.

Modifié par Aaleel, 16 janvier 2012 - 08:26 .

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Chris, be a dear and inform the heads at EA that there is such a thing as 'Customer Good Will'. Valve has a lot more of it than they do. Please inform them that 'Customer Good Will' would have made the transition to this a lot smoother instead of doing this.

And you know what can earn a *lot* of 'Customer Good Will'? Giving ear to your paying customers. You know, the ones that keep you in business?

You'd earn a lot by playing ball with Valve and scrapping this Origin nonsense.

[Doctalen]

Wardka wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

So Chris, what about our questions?

let me guess Isaac, he didnt anwser ur  private message?

Honest question: Do they ever answer PMs? Chris has never answered any of mine, so I'm wondering if sending them is a waste of time or not?

He awnsered mine about the demo bounsues 

[Wittand25]

Alex06 wrote...

PDesign wrote...

You can run Origin in offline mode.

Which requires an internet connection. What if I just want to play Mass Effect 3 when I'm on vacation in Cuba, for example, and there's no unlimited, free wi-fi available?

Most wi-fis in hotels only allow browsers and chat programs, and block games, or are extremely slow and cost a lot for merely an hour of use. And you have to be in the hotel's lobby. To play in your hotel room, you have to pay extra, and it's not cheap, and once again, they tend to block games because otherwise, it eats their server and annoys everyone who's using their internet connection.

Origin offline mode, like Steam's, is merely a glorified "Appear Offline" feature. You still need an active internet connection, because you have to log in to your account to activate it.

Origin and Steam can be run offline.
My laptop is not always connected to the internet yet I never had problems starting either program on it even when there was no internet connection available at all. Please educate yourself before you spread false information.

[firefireblow]

Origin hate is pretty much all blown up, way out of proportion. I use it and have yet to have anything happen to me, (doesn't mean it cannot.) It has its bad points just like steam, and it has its own good points just like steam. Nothing in this world can be used without a little hate.


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