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[Fredvdp]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I have answers to frequently asked questions. They are below and I have added them to the questions in the first post.


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

I still want to know why this is a requirement. What does the player get out of this?

[Alex_SM]

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?

Because Origin is the real product, and Mass Effect 3 just the promotional tool. 

[Erode_The_Soul]

khevan wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?   so basically you guys want to redirect business from steam into origins, right? that is the real intension

Responding to the bolded:  As a general business practice, this isn't really a bad thing.  EA/Bioware wants to make money, that's their whole point of existance.  They make games, in Bioware's case they generally make really good games, and then sell those games to make money.  

That in itself isn't the problem. If they want to compete with Steam, that's fine. The problem is they are going about it the wrong way. You win over Steam users by offering them a product that is equivalent to or better than Steam. You know, offer benefits and deals and a positive experience and such. You DON'T forcibly drag those users over by tying up a highly anticipated conclusion to a popular trilogy with your client. Sure, it sounds good in theory because you'll get a lot of folks to the client, willingly or no. But if the client has nothing more of value to offer, then what? People will adopt Orign because of ME3, no doubt, but if EA hopes that will be enough to entice Steam users to remain, I sincerely believe they will be disappointed. This move does nothing to garner any trust whatsoever, and if you hope to maintain a digital download platform, then trust is a major factor.

[Pupuppu]

double post

Modifié par Pupuppu, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:51 .

[Grinchy]

Church-hill wrote...

okay, Im out. I had hope left that I can play ME3 without Org siting around on my HD and doing nothing, but this way, no.

Anyway, I have some questions in mind:

1)Can we play ME3 Singelplayer complete without I-net connection wehn registert once? (just to be sure)

2)Can we play ME3 DLCs without I-net connection?

3)Can we direct were ME3 will be installed, or is it attached to Origin, like this Steam-games ?

thanks.

I hope my grammer isn't too bad...

To 3rd: You can change your download and install directories in Origin client. I don't think it will change in the future.
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[Alex_SM]

khevan wrote...
 My hope is that the original behaviour of Origin (scanning files and folders that it had no business to) was a bug in the system, that Origin was intended to be nothing more than a direct competitor to Steam.  

EA in Germany pretty much admited it wasn't a bug, but something intentional. They said something in the way of "we don't understand why people is upset, we just wanted information for marketting purposes". 

[khevan]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

khevan wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?   so basically you guys want to redirect business from steam into origins, right? that is the real intension

Responding to the bolded:  As a general business practice, this isn't really a bad thing.  EA/Bioware wants to make money, that's their whole point of existance.  They make games, in Bioware's case they generally make really good games, and then sell those games to make money.  

That in itself isn't the problem. If they want to compete with Steam, that's fine. The problem is they are going about it the wrong way. You win over Steam users by offering them a product that is equivalent to or better than Steam. You know, offer benefits and deals and a positive experience and such. You DON'T forcibly drag those users over by tying up a highly anticipated conclusion to a popular trilogy with your client. Sure, it sounds good in theory because you'll get a lot of folks to the client, willingly or no. But if the client has nothing more of value to offer, then what? People will adopt Orign because of ME3, no doubt, but if EA hopes that will be enough to entice Steam users to remain, I sincerely believe they will be disappointed. This move does nothing to garner any trust whatsoever, and if you hope to maintain a digital download platform, then trust is a major factor.

To a large degree, I agree with you.  I was merely commenting that trying to gain business for Origin was, in and of itself, not a bad thing.  I've seen posts where people have lambasted EA for trying to implement a Steam-competitor, and it kinda makes me go "huh?"  But the trust issue is definately a factor, and in that regard, I do agree.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I have answers to frequently asked questions. They are below and I have added them to the questions in the first post.


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

10) If I have uninstalled Mass Effect 3 or Origin, do I need to reinstall Origin to reinstall Mass Effect 3?
You must have Origin installed to play Mass Effect 3. You would need to reinstall Origin and Mass Effect 3.

11) If I have installed Mass Effect 3 and Origin, do I need to keep the install/gameplay disc in the disc drive to play?
Once you have installed Mass Effect 3 and Origin, you do not have to keep the disc in the tray

I am continuing to work on other questions. Please continue to ask your unanswered questions below.

Hello Chris,

thanks for having shed a little more light onto ME3 in combination with Origin. 

Referring to

9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Does this mean, that after the installation and authentication it needs to be present in the RAM each time one would intend to play the game or is it really a one time only thing and only has to reside on the harddrive without ANY of it's processes running? 
Could one, after the required on-line authentication of the ME3 game, block Origin from having access to the internet once the authentication worked successfully?

I am NOT talking about patching/updating or obtaining DLC's as I would be certainly suprised if that were possible without having to run EA's new - to be established - digital download platform.

A BIG thank you in advance.

#Edit: typo

Modifié par _Guy_Fawkes_, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:56 .

[Sgt Stryker]

What is the nature of the data collected by Origin?

[Fredvdp]

The bad news is piling up. First Michael Beattie is not returnig as Mordin, then they announce there won't be menu shortcuts, then Origin is required to install and now they say it has to be on constantly. I'm dying for some good news here.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:57 .

[Dansayshi]

[inappropriate discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:00 .

[noni22]

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

[khevan]

Alex_SM wrote...

khevan wrote...
 My hope is that the original behaviour of Origin (scanning files and folders that it had no business to) was a bug in the system, that Origin was intended to be nothing more than a direct competitor to Steam.  

EA in Germany pretty much admited it wasn't a bug, but something intentional. They said something in the way of "we don't understand why people is upset, we just wanted information for marketting purposes". 

Link, please?  I can understand EA garnering data for marketting purposes.  Hell, most websites you go to install tracking cookies on your system that track how many people visit the site, for marketing purposes.  The problem I had with Origin was that it scanned folders outside of which games you had installed.  Now that that behavior has changed, my problems with Origin have diminished.

Basically, my whole thinking is this:  Origin is currently behaving itself, and with all the uproar caused by this debacle, it will be watched closely for quite some time.  Thus, if it starts misbehaving again, I'll see reports online, and I can unstall the software.  I'm cautiously ok (right now) with using the service, since there are games I want to play that use it, and it is currently acting within reasonable limits.  If that changes, my opinion most certainly will also.

[Dansayshi]

@ spyware from EA. My serious gripe was "passing info on to 3rd parties" lol wut?

[Sgt Stryker]

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

[khevan]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

In the US, at least, every privacy act form you sign (at the doctor, when applying for a job, etc) has this exception in it.  In rare cases, certain information must be provided, for investigation purposes, for example, or in the case of medical information, if you've contracted a disease that could turn into a pandemic (a rare example to be sure, but valid nonetheless)

[abaris]

noni22 wrote...

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Folks, please start learning the basics of corporate language. That's PR blah, blah at its purest. Of course they're handling the collected data with care. Everything else would ensure them a lawsuit. Also, the definition of spyware is in the eye of the beholder. According to law it isn't spyware, since by signing their EULA, you're waving your right to privacy. You're giving your consent, you're fair game by almost every code of law in the world.

Also, your IP alone is enough to put a name tag on you.

The collected data is used by each and every company - not just EA - to get a clearer picture of their customers. Mind the term, not handing personalised data to third parties. They have your data personalised. They are drooling over getting a picture of you and they are the ones pestering you with offers afterwards.

khevan wrote...

In the US, at least, every privacy act
form you sign (at the doctor, when applying for a job, etc) has this
exception in it.  In rare cases, certain information must be provided,
for investigation purposes, for example, or in the case of medical
information, if you've contracted a disease that could turn into a
pandemic (a rare example to be sure, but valid nonetheless)

But if they haven't gathered that kind of information in the first place, they couldn't hand it to the government.

Btw, it's not common practice in most countries outside the US. A pandemic being the exemption. In that case the doctor has to inform the particular agencies.

Modifié par abaris, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:10 .

[noni22]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

Yeah, because the government is interested in your (and mine ) porn and what graphics card you're using.... I'm not defending EA, on the contrary, I think they're money hungry despots, but these controversies is getting out of hand.

[Massefeckt]

khevan wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

khevan wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?   so basically you guys want to redirect business from steam into origins, right? that is the real intension

Responding to the bolded:  As a general business practice, this isn't really a bad thing.  EA/Bioware wants to make money, that's their whole point of existance.  They make games, in Bioware's case they generally make really good games, and then sell those games to make money.  

That in itself isn't the problem. If they want to compete with Steam, that's fine. The problem is they are going about it the wrong way. You win over Steam users by offering them a product that is equivalent to or better than Steam. You know, offer benefits and deals and a positive experience and such. You DON'T forcibly drag those users over by tying up a highly anticipated conclusion to a popular trilogy with your client. Sure, it sounds good in theory because you'll get a lot of folks to the client, willingly or no. But if the client has nothing more of value to offer, then what? People will adopt Orign because of ME3, no doubt, but if EA hopes that will be enough to entice Steam users to remain, I sincerely believe they will be disappointed. This move does nothing to garner any trust whatsoever, and if you hope to maintain a digital download platform, then trust is a major factor.

To a large degree, I agree with you.  I was merely commenting that trying to gain business for Origin was, in and of itself, not a bad thing.  I've seen posts where people have lambasted EA for trying to implement a Steam-competitor, and it kinda makes me go "huh?"  But the trust issue is definately a factor, and in that regard, I do agree.

The difference is many games on Steam can be bought elsewhere without needing Steam, Origin MUST be installed at all times. It's not a service it's a pair of handcuffs.

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA
knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and
shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our
business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable
information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware
on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share
information that personally identifies you without your consent, except
in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s
legal rights.

Why do they need to take this information in the first place?

Also the term SPyware is quite wide ranging and anything that is installed on your PC and collects information fits under the term spyware. So it is Spyware whether they want to call it that or not.

They've been caught out in Germany already it will happen again.

Ok so here's my question. Once I have played ME3 and decide to uninstall it and Origin will all traces of Origin be removed ie are there any traces no matter how small and insignificant left on my PC after I uninstall Origin?

Modifié par Massefeckt, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:10 .

[billy the squid]

@ Dansayshi

you are allowed to copy games for back ups and personal use as per the legislation, but it, to an extent, conflicts with the rights of IP holders to protect the IP property, hence why many digital download services are now allowing players to back up the copy online.

It is unclear as to how far the Exhaustion of Rights principle will affect that issue.

And unfortunately EULA are legally binding in that there is a contract between consumer and manufacturer, they are contracts of adhesion, the purchase of ME3 constitutes a contract. So using such methods breaches it and renders the user in default of the copyright legislation, as the license to use the IP is revoked in default.

[XCPTNL]

So let me get this right: For the Singleplayer you only need to go online once to activate it yet you have to use Origin all the time if you want to play. So there's some sort of offline mode then? And what happens (to the singleplayer) if Origin is down. You should still be able to play because it has an offline mode?

Not that it matters in my decision making, I won't buy until there's a version on Steam but I'm still interested because currently I have this bet going on that Origin will follow in the footsteps of the PSN.

[jamesp81]

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Change the wording of that to say:

"No personally identifiable information including, but not limited to, names, addresses, email addresses, telephone numbers, IP addresses, disk drive contents, or anything else that personally identifies, or could be used to personally identify, a customer shall be collected at any time, with the exception of minimal information required to complete the purchase of a product through Origin.  Personal information collected for the purposes of making a purchase will be purged beyond recovery after the purchase is completed."

Do this and I will change my mind.  Until then, the paragraph in their privacy notice is insufficient.

[Bleachrude]

This is the one that concerns me...

If origin is down for some reason or my net connection for that matter, can I still play ME3 on PC in single player??

Modifié par Bleachrude, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:13 .

[Dragoonlordz]

billy the squid wrote...

Regarding the redirection of business towards Origin and the subsequent increase opportunities and margin it brings. Are people actually suprised by this? It was clearly the whole point from the very inception of Origin and for that matter the EADM, same with Steam.

Spot on, I agree. I think I mentioned as much many times over so I'm slightly surprised any question over that aspect. From a business point of view I see no reason why they would not wish to do so in the hope the eventually their DD service does improve over time and evolve to be on par with their rivals Steam and such. Like I said I believe it is their long terms goals at stake and why they will not buckle over the issue. They are from my point of view and not as concerned by short term gains but long term 'possible' gains. It is a risk but it is without doubt their risk to take and personally while it currently is not perfect if they achieve their long term goals and provide in the years to come a service on par with Steam that is a good thing.

It means Steam won't hold a monopoly over DD services where I would be forced to use them alone just because others are not able to compete on even terms in the future. Rival services keep others on their guard and that is good for customers. Origin may not be there right now by any means but in time I believe they have the chance of evolving to be so, providing the risk pays off.