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[billy the squid]

^ Yes you can still play it offline, check the first page.

[Lambchopz]

khevan wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

khevan wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?   so basically you guys want to redirect business from steam into origins, right? that is the real intension

Responding to the bolded:  As a general business practice, this isn't really a bad thing.  EA/Bioware wants to make money, that's their whole point of existance.  They make games, in Bioware's case they generally make really good games, and then sell those games to make money.  

That in itself isn't the problem. If they want to compete with Steam, that's fine. The problem is they are going about it the wrong way. You win over Steam users by offering them a product that is equivalent to or better than Steam. You know, offer benefits and deals and a positive experience and such. You DON'T forcibly drag those users over by tying up a highly anticipated conclusion to a popular trilogy with your client. Sure, it sounds good in theory because you'll get a lot of folks to the client, willingly or no. But if the client has nothing more of value to offer, then what? People will adopt Orign because of ME3, no doubt, but if EA hopes that will be enough to entice Steam users to remain, I sincerely believe they will be disappointed. This move does nothing to garner any trust whatsoever, and if you hope to maintain a digital download platform, then trust is a major factor.

To a large degree, I agree with you.  I was merely commenting that trying to gain business for Origin was, in and of itself, not a bad thing.  I've seen posts where people have lambasted EA for trying to implement a Steam-competitor, and it kinda makes me go "huh?"  But the trust issue is definately a factor, and in that regard, I do agree.

I think the whole competition with Steam thing is this new trend of anti-capitalism/free markets, it likes to show it's face in many forms and in many mediums. Competition is bad, guys!

I don't blame EA for wanting to compete with Steam and make money. They are a business, that's what they do. My only real problem with EA is the way they go about doing their business, which is often disohonestly, even to the extent of straight up lieing in some cases. I do, however, think that how devious this Origin software is, is quite exaggerated. As others have said, the right to view your data and share it when legally neccesary, is claimed by pretty much every game developer out there, and even those who provide other services. This is nothing new, Steam does it, Google does, Youtube does it, the list goes on.

EAs mistake as far as PR with this whole debacle goes is really just that they are being too explicit and open about it. Most companies barely ever address these issues, because they don't want any attention given to them. There's a reason EULAs are never explicit in the rights they guarantee/don't guarantee, because if they were specific, people would realize that all EULAs call for some pretty shady stuff, to protect the financial interests of the provider.

[Siegdrifa]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

What is the nature of the data collected by Origin?

That my friend ... many people would like to know ... EA is always vague in their description and use more word saying "it is not harmful data, don't worry etc" rather than tell us wich data so we could judge for ourself.

[khevan]

abaris wrote...

khevan wrote...

In the US, at least, every privacy act
form you sign (at the doctor, when applying for a job, etc) has this
exception in it.  In rare cases, certain information must be provided,
for investigation purposes, for example, or in the case of medical
information, if you've contracted a disease that could turn into a
pandemic (a rare example to be sure, but valid nonetheless)

But if they haven't gathered that kind of information in the first place, they couldn't hand it to the government.

Btw, it's not common practice in most countries outside the US.

I live in the US, so my knowledge is based here.  In any case, any time a service is used, any time a website is visited, information is exchanged.  Websites can (and do) track IP addresses of visiting computers.  Download services (like Steam) track purchases, when and how long games are played, etc.  The only way to NOT transfer information (either to or from  your computer) is to not have an internet connection.  Period. 

Information will be collected by Origin and EA even if NO file scanning takes place.  Thus, this exception within the EULA.  It's a legal requirement in the US, at least, and the EULA has to accomodate that.  I don't know if other countries have their own version of the EULA (I'm assuming they do) so I can't speak on if that language is in those versions of the EULA, but at least in America, that has to be in there.  Pointing it out as another "evil" in the EULA is pointless, since it's in every privacy form in the US.

[jamesp81]

noni22 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

Yeah, because the government is interested in your (and mine ) porn and what graphics card you're using.... I'm not defending EA, on the contrary, I think they're money hungry despots, but these controversies is getting out of hand.

It all starts somewhere.

Put another way, you give an inch and they take a mile.   The only viable solution is to not surrender the inch.

[Dragoonlordz]

abaris wrote...

Terminatort800 wrote...

I heard that we'll need Origin only once...while installing ME3 and then we can play ME3 singleplayer offline.

Look at the top of the page.

The top of the page as it were has nothing to do with that question asked or at least worded. Yes you can play offline, it is not a always online service. You only need to be online to activate the game, download DLC and such plus to play the multiplayer. You can disconnect from the internet and play offline just fine in single player. What is said at the top of that page is that Origin must be installed still while playing offline or online but you can play offline was said on the first page of the entire thread.

[photographerleia]

Chris Priestly wrote...

9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

This makes absolutely no sense for single player games.  Why would this be required if one is playing offline or not playing mutli-player?  What practical reason does this possibly serve?

[jamesp81]

Bleachrude wrote...

This is the one that concerns me...

If origin is down for some reason or my net connection for that matter, can I still play ME3 on PC in single player??

The apparent answer to that is "no".

Actually, it appears you can.  Origin would still have to be running in "offline mode".

Modifié par jamesp81, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:23 .

[PyroByte]

Church-hill wrote...


okay, Im out. I had hope left that I can play ME3 without Org siting around on my HD and doing nothing, but this way, no.

Anyway, I have some questions in mind:

1)Can we play ME3 Singelplayer complete without I-net connection wehn registert once? (just to be sure)

2)Can we play ME3 DLCs without I-net connection?

3)Can we direct were ME3 will be installed, or is it attached to Origin, like this Steam-games ?

thanks.

I hope my grammer isn't too bad...

1) Yes, after you activated your game you can block internet access of Origin with your firewall. Origin will remain in offline mode and won't be able to send data.

2) I guess you just need to activate them one time. You enter a code into Origin and register it after that you're able to play them offline

3) The install folder is attached to Origin but you can choose the location in the Origin Settings (Option "Where do you want to save your games")

[noni22]

jamesp81 wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

Yeah, because the government is interested in your (and mine ) porn and what graphics card you're using.... I'm not defending EA, on the contrary, I think they're money hungry despots, but these controversies is getting out of hand.

It all starts somewhere.

Put another way, you give an inch and they take a mile.   The only viable solution is to not surrender the inch.

The question here is : Will they? (yeah, they probably will )

[Fredvdp]

photographerleia wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

This makes absolutely no sense for single player games.  Why would this be required if one is playing offline or not playing mutli-player?  What practical reason does this possibly serve?

Copy protection. BioWare doesn't like to treat its paying customers with respect.

And don't tell me it's EA's fault because the doctors said they still make their own decisions. They wouldn't lie to us.

[Lambchopz]

jamesp81 wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

Yeah, because the government is interested in your (and mine ) porn and what graphics card you're using.... I'm not defending EA, on the contrary, I think they're money hungry despots, but these controversies is getting out of hand.

It all starts somewhere.

Put another way, you give an inch and they take a mile.   The only viable solution is to not surrender the inch.

You are jumping to conclusions. Like has been said, every internet based company does this now. How do you think Gmail and other google services have personalized ads? They collect the same kinds of data EA is looking for. This is essentially just people being paranoid because EA is such a big company.

I think you should be less concerned about EA's shady legal speak, and more concerned about that used in recent government bills, like the NDAA and SOPA. EA wants to make money, they are a business, it's what they do.

[Erode_The_Soul]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...


There will never be a version on Steam.

You don't know that for sure, though. Even Chris stated that it wasn't coming "at this time," implying that there is still hope.

[billy the squid]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Regarding the redirection of business towards Origin and the subsequent increase opportunities and margin it brings. Are people actually suprised by this? It was clearly the whole point from the very inception of Origin and for that matter the EADM, same with Steam.

Spot on, I agree. I think I mentioned as much many times over so I'm slightly surprised any question over that aspect. From a business point of view I see no reason why they would not wish to do so in the hope the eventually their DD service does improve over time and evolve to be on par with their rivals Steam and such. Like I said I believe it is their long terms goals at stake and why they will not buckle over the issue. They are from my point of view and not as concerned by short term gains but long term 'possible' gains. It is a risk but it is without doubt their risk to take and personally while it currently is not perfect if they achieve their long term goals and provide in the years to come a service on par with Steam that is a good thing.

It means Steam won't hold a monopoly over DD services where I would be forced to use them alone just because others are not able to compete on even terms in the future. Rival services keep others on their guard and that is good for customers. Origin may not be there right now by any means but in time I believe they have the chance of evolving to be so, providing the risk pays off.

Indeed.

I think it's just a shame that Origin had so many problem on release. Steam suffered from a lot of issues and problems with the EULA and client when it first came out, so I don't know why EA didn't learn from that. One of the main problems with Orgin was it seemd almost as if it was rushed out to meet the release of BF3 without making sure it worked.

The inital scans for instance, seemed more like something which was half finished. When it was scanning such utterly useless things, for instance icons files, hence the shotgun style approach to the scan. Whilst I don't have anything against EA for releasing their own system, it doesn't exactly endear people to use it if the attitude taken looks  like they released it and thought we'll finish it off later. The updates have improved things, so I hope theat continues.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:25 .

[Tup3x]

Bleachrude wrote...

This is the one that concerns me...

If origin is down for some reason or my net connection for that matter, can I still play ME3 on PC in single player??

Yes. It has offlien mode. Most Origin games so far do not even need the client at all.

[XCPTNL]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

There will never be a version on Steam.

Never say never. It may take them a few weeks, months or even years but eventually it might end up there. They did put up the first ME on Steam eventually without that nasty DRM crap they had on the retail version. And if it really never comes to Steam... well, it's sad if I can't complete my collection there and gift the game to some friends but it's not like I'll commit suicide or something.

[Ravenmyste]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

photographerleia wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

This makes absolutely no sense for single player games.  Why would this be required if one is playing offline or not playing mutli-player?  What practical reason does this possibly serve?

Ask Steam, they did it first.

yep they did  with fallout 3, fallout nv, and call of duty blackops and hh2

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:24 .

[abaris]

khevan wrote...

Websites can (and do) track IP addresses of visiting computers.  Download services (like Steam) track purchases, when and how long games are played, etc.  The only way to NOT transfer information (either to or from  your computer) is to not have an internet connection.  Period. 

That is understood. But websites can't scan more than your IP, which leads to localised ads, which is bothersome enough but not really hurting my privacy.

As far as the other "services" are concerned. I don't feel the compulsion to use them. In fact, working in PR and media, I steer well clear of them, since I know what they're capable of doing and collecting. They can create a first class marketing profile of you, and since that's the only reason for their existence, you can be bloody sure, they're doing it.

Also, social networking. If someone feels the compulsion to be on facebook, twitter or whatelse is floating around with their real name and details, my sympathy is very limited. Also, if they feel the need to post pictures of baby's first steps or their last party, I can only say, good luck for your future. Your next employer will have a good hard look at your droppings left in cyberspace.

[Alex_SM]

khevan wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

khevan wrote...
 My hope is that the original behaviour of Origin (scanning files and folders that it had no business to) was a bug in the system, that Origin was intended to be nothing more than a direct competitor to Steam.  

EA in Germany pretty much admited it wasn't a bug, but something intentional. They said something in the way of "we don't understand why people is upset, we just wanted information for marketting purposes". 

Link, please?  I can understand EA garnering data for marketting purposes.  Hell, most websites you go to install tracking cookies on your system that track how many people visit the site, for marketing purposes.  The problem I had with Origin was that it scanned folders outside of which games you had installed.  Now that that behavior has changed, my problems with Origin have diminished.

Links were in the first 80+ pages thread about Origin. 

[Feanor_II]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

Oh OK. So they can't sell your information to the RIAA or MPAA, but they can give it to the government. That makes me feel a lot better.

Not.

I trully trust more on a DEMOCRATIC government (with all it's flaws, defects and dark sides) than on a private macr-corporation.

[jamesp81]

n/m

Modifié par jamesp81, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:31 .