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[billy the squid]

[political post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:19 .

[Mike Shepard]

Chris Priestly wrote...

9)Can I install Origin, install
Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect
3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass
Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3
without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player
and multiplayer games.

*covers head in preparation for the hate storm*

in the words of Scooby Doo....Wut Whoo

[AlanC9]

abaris wrote...
That is understood. But websites can't scan more than your IP, which leads to localised ads, which is bothersome enough but not really hurting my privacy.

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

[Fredvdp]

AlanC9 wrote...

abaris wrote...
That is understood. But websites can't scan more than your IP, which leads to localised ads, which is bothersome enough but not really hurting my privacy.

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

Or you install AdBlock and never see any ads at all. Winning!

[Ryzaki]

Fredvdp wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

abaris wrote...
That is understood. But websites can't scan more than your IP, which leads to localised ads, which is bothersome enough but not really hurting my privacy.

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

Or you install AdBlock and never see any ads at all. Winning!

Yeah this pretty much.

Thank you Adblock.

[abaris]

[quote]AlanC9 wrote...

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

[/quote]

I'd like to see them vanish. But suffice to say that video ads in my general region are even more of a nuissance than the American or British ones. It's mostly videos blarring at the top of their virtual lungs.

[quote]Fredvdp wrote...

[/quote]Or you install AdBlock and never see any ads at all. Winning!
[/quote]

Not the embedded ones. Not the ones running before a stream you want to have a look at.

Modifié par abaris, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:35 .

[XCPTNL]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.

Well it's their (money) loss if they don't do it at some point. I alone know a lot of people who'd buy the game instantly on Steam and now probably half of them will do without the game and the other half will get the "customerfriendly" version instead. And that's just the people I have talked to about this matter... and there's many more out there. Maybe that money won't matter that much in the end, but every dollar not earned is still a loss.

[Feanor_II]

[political discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:20 .

[AlanC9]

Fredvdp wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

abaris wrote...
That is understood. But websites can't scan more than your IP, which leads to localised ads, which is bothersome enough but not really hurting my privacy.

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

Or you install AdBlock and never see any ads at all. Winning!

Right. But if he was doing that, the localised ads wouldn't be bothersome since he wouldn't see them.

[Lambchopz]

[political discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:20 .

[Lambchopz]

[political discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:21 .

[Grammarye]

I think my biggest concern so far would be that I have no idea what would happen if EA decided to pull Origin, or replace it with something else. Origin does not strike me as successful at this point in time; I count about 9-10 games total on its store; it's not like Steam where hundreds of games from many different publishers are offered.

I know that not everyone cares about longevity or just assumes that someone somewhere will care enough to fix this if it became a problem, but frankly, I've seen enough empty promises of 'yes if that ever becomes an issue we'll fix it' turn to vapour. It's hard for it not be at least a little concerning, for what is otherwise a working trilogy of games.

It's not even a matter of trust - it would be very easy for a company to justify saying 'well it's all a load of old games anyway' - I am assuming that this would be in a few years' time, as I doubt EA would drop Origin for some time regardless of success; you don't push something like this randomly.

Modifié par Grammarye, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:45 .

[AlanC9]

abaris wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bothersome? You mean that you prefer to see advertising that's less relevant to you than it otherwise would be?

I'd like to see them vanish. But suffice to say that video ads in my general region are even more of a nuissance than the American or British ones. It's mostly videos blarring at the top of their virtual lungs.

But does localisation make this worse? I would think that you get the same amount of annoying whether or not the ads are localised.

Personally, I would prefer more targeted advertising. As an American, I get a ton of car ads. I don't drive, and have no intention of starting to. If I'm going to have to see an an ad for something, it might as well be for a product that I might conceivably use.

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

Ok, but to be a little more specific on that oh-so-glorious off-line mode (sorry for my cynicism, I'm just no fan of all these extra download 'service' clients):

Does any element/process/etc. of Origin have to reside in my computer's RAM? Or does 'off-line' truly mean: apart from the fact that it could be found on the harddrive there wouldn't be a single active Origin element whilst ME3 would be run (in single-player mode, without trying to download patches/updates/DLC's etc.)?

Is there any official statement about this detail?

[Marionetten]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.

If it happened to GFWL I doubt Origin will manage to avoid it for long. The public perception of EA isn't exactly a positive one. They're just buying time by sacrificing Mass Effect 3.

[Dragoonlordz]

billy the squid wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Regarding the redirection of business towards Origin and the subsequent increase opportunities and margin it brings. Are people actually suprised by this? It was clearly the whole point from the very inception of Origin and for that matter the EADM, same with Steam.

Spot on, I agree. I think I mentioned as much many times over so I'm slightly surprised any question over that aspect. From a business point of view I see no reason why they would not wish to do so in the hope the eventually their DD service does improve over time and evolve to be on par with their rivals Steam and such. Like I said I believe it is their long terms goals at stake and why they will not buckle over the issue. They are from my point of view and not as concerned by short term gains but long term 'possible' gains. It is a risk but it is without doubt their risk to take and personally while it currently is not perfect if they achieve their long term goals and provide in the years to come a service on par with Steam that is a good thing.

It means Steam won't hold a monopoly over DD services where I would be forced to use them alone just because others are not able to compete on even terms in the future. Rival services keep others on their guard and that is good for customers. Origin may not be there right now by any means but in time I believe they have the chance of evolving to be so, providing the risk pays off.

Indeed.

I think it's just a shame that Origin had so many problem on release. Steam suffered from a lot of issues and problems with the EULA when it first came out, so I don't know why EA didn't learn from that. One of the main problems with Orgin was it seemd almost as if it was rushed out to meet the release of BF3 without making sure it worked.

The inital scans for instance, seemed more like something which was half finished. When it was scanning such utterly useless things, for instance icons files, hence the shotgun style approach to the scan. Whilst I don't have anything against EA for releasing their own system, it doesn't exactly endear people to use it if the attitude taken looks  like they released it and thought well finish it off later. The updates have improved things, so I hope theat continues.

I like to think though I am probably quite wrong, but in my imagination that some fuddy duddy legal types copy and pasted and such for quick saving of time and effort conjoured the original EULA the way they did for simple reason until this all kicked of almost nobody ever bothered reading them. I like to then think EA then went around and gave them rapped knuckles saying "bad, bad legal team; bad". Of which they changed it and put more effort into the new version. I do think people should realise the good that came from this, as said before noone I knew ever read EULAs or ToS on anything they bought (probably some exceptions here and there) but now because of EA people are more careful.

However I think people are taking it a bit too far in the demands they are making, James in his example the do not record IP address should not be listed in there. There is not a single online service, internet provider or website who does not record IP addresses and for good reasons relating to law enforcement. Even this website does the same, every webiste does so demand towards EA just won't happen. The same applies with his demand for no disk content information because it would have to include the client and EA's games folder which just will never happen and would be in reality a demand that it does not scan or send any information at all if all his demands are met. The most concerning thing is the bit where does not wish EA to store and personal information or data (going by his wording) this would actually make it so they have no clue who has what product and what they have legally registered to their account, you may aswell wave goodbye to all your DLC if go down that route because it is registered to you on your account and linked to personal information about you so no-one would steal it and if lost they have record of you purchasing it so will supply again.  Those demands go to far and I [think] he knows they will not accept them.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .

[Massefeckt]

Grammarye wrote...

I think my biggest concern so far would
be that I have no idea what would happen if EA decided to pull Origin,
or replace it with something else. Origin does not strike me as
successful at this point in time; I count about 9-10 games total on its
store; it's not like Steam where hundreds of games from many different
publishers are offered.

I know that not everyone cares about
longevity or just assumes that someone somewhere will care enough to fix
this if it became a problem, but frankly, I've seen enough empty
promises of 'yes if that ever becomes an issue we'll fix it' turn to
vapour. It's hard for it not be at least a little concerning, for what
is otherwise a working trilogy of games.

EA don't have a great track record of keeping servers open for old games. Trust
me once a new trilogy for the ME universe starts up all support for the
current ME will be gone. It happens in all their other games a new
version comes out all support for the older title is gone. Why support
an older game when they want you to buy the newer version.

Lambchopz wrote...

Europe is on the verge of financial collapse, by the way, as a result of your democratic government.

Europe is in the same position as the rest of the world nothing special about that.

Modifié par Massefeckt, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:43 .

[craigdolphin]

noni22 wrote...

Don't know if this has been posted before, or even if it's something new, but looks like EA has notices our concerns:

2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

I think that text is from their FAQ, not from the EULA that you must agree to. It has no legal meaning whatsoever. If EA modify the EULA/TOS to ensure Origin CANNOT act as spyware (currently it reserves the right to do so), and/or provides an opt-out clause, then that FAQ would be more reassuring. Until then, it's all marketing-speak designed to hide the uglier reality. Origin remains potential spyware until the EULA is fixed. Whatever it is actually doing currently is completely irrelevant. As is whether Steam does or does not not the same or worse as what Origin does currently.

Previously Origin looked through everything. They got caught and modified the behavior: for now. They have NOT yet modified their legal right to revert to that behavior.

I should also note that, apparently, Origin's 'offline' mode will revert to online mode whenever it is next started up. This is different than Steam's client which will stay in offline mode until the user elects to go back into online mode. Not sure if this is a bug or intentional.

[Lambchopz]

[political discussion removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:22 .

[_Guy_Fawkes_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

_Guy_Fawkes_ wrote...

Ok, but to be a little more specific on that oh-so-glorious off-line mode (sorry for my cynicism, I'm just no fan of all these extra download 'service' clients):

Does any element/process/etc. of Origin have to reside in my computer's RAM? Or does 'off-line' truly mean: apart from the fact that it could be found on the harddrive there wouldn't be a single active Origin element whilst ME3 would be run (in single-player mode, without trying to download patches/updates/DLC's etc.)?

Is there any official statement about this detail?

Off-line means it is not "on-line," or on the internet. It does NOT mean Origin is not running.

Do you have a source for that ?

[Dragoonlordz]

Grammarye wrote...

I think my biggest concern so far would be that I have no idea what would happen if EA decided to pull Origin, or replace it with something else. Origin does not strike me as successful at this point in time; I count about 9-10 games total on its store; it's not like Steam where hundreds of games from many different publishers are offered.

I know that not everyone cares about longevity or just assumes that someone somewhere will care enough to fix this if it became a problem, but frankly, I've seen enough empty promises of 'yes if that ever becomes an issue we'll fix it' turn to vapour. It's hard for it not be at least a little concerning, for what is otherwise a working trilogy of games.

That is a fair and valid concern on your first part.

On the other part EA did say quite a few other big developers and publishers wish to get involved with Origin and start putting their titles in the store later this year. Steam did not start off with as many titles and people on board as does now, I guess a way to view it is similar to that situation in that EA said they are starting to work out deals with interested other developers in order to have many more in their store from others right now. So on that point I say give it some time see how it goes.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .