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[craigdolphin]

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

[count_4]

Xorious wrote...

Origin sucks!

/thread

[Lambchopz]

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

We already established nobody wants to talk about politics on the previous page.

Origin's EULA and TOS aren't really that much worse then, say, Microsoft or Steam's, they just take a lot more flack for theirs for whatever reason.

[Ottemis]

craigdolphin wrote...
Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

Sigh, Go read this
And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.

[adamross]

i don't care about ME3 requires Origin, just make the activation easy, and smooth usage for the multiplayer. Just leave me to play!!!!!! i truly can't wait.

[Ultai]

Question #5 still needs to be changed to reflect general Origin data collection, not Mass Effect 3 player data collection. I'm pretty sure the people seeking answers don't care about how many femsheps or etc have been made. It seems rather vague or disengenious.

[Chavez_Dice]

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

If EA wants to compete with Valve they should offer an alternative, not a stand-alone fork with limited amount of games, draconic policies and a highly questionable license.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

I believe that the reason why Valve is so successful (specifically with customers) rather than being how it treats customers it is the fact over it's life time has accumulated a truly vast library of games to sell and if was in Origins position still where only had Valve titles being sold it's popularity would be vastly different. In my opinion if Steam was launched again same time Origin was rebranded, rebuilt and relaunched as new beginning for EA, but with only Valves own titles it would be on par with EA on users and not much higher if at all.

Now EA has said it has got interest by large third parties in placing their titles in Origin and is in the process of working out details with them, so given time being a rival to Steam is quite likley once the amount of titles increases drastically in the store. Once it gets to that stage it will then be about who is cheaper rather than bias due to favoritism between the two.

This is just my opinion and is bound to get the attention of those who both do not like Origin and those who have personal favoritism towards Steam but it is how I feel and think right now about this topic/subject. This is borderline on topic but only just because talks about Origin [imho] however I don't wish to go much further into it because I wish to concentrate more on the Mass Effect 3 aspect alongside Origin rather than Origin vs Steam.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:37 .

[Stanley Woo]

Some political discussion removed. if this kind of behaviour continues in this thread, I'm going to start sending warnings to violators of our "no political discussions" rule.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

I believe that the reason why Valve is so successful (specifically with customers) rather than being how it treats customers it is the fact over it's life time has accumulated a truly vast library of games to sell and if was in Origins position still where only had Valve titles being sold it's popularity would be vastly different. In my opinion if Steam was launched again same time Origin was launched as new beginning for EA, but with only Valves own titles it would be on par with EA on users and not much higher if at all. Now EA has said it has got interest by large third parties in placing their titles in Origin and is in the process of working out details with them, so given time being a rival to Steam is quite likley once the amount of titles increases drastically in the store. Once it gets to that stage it will then be about who is cheaper rather than bias due to favoritism between the two.

This is just my opinion and is bound to get the attention of those who both do not like Origin and those who have personal favoritism towards Steam but it is how I feel and think right now about this topic/subject. This is borderline on topic but I don't wish to go much further into it because I wish to concentrate more on the Mass Effect 3 aspect alongside Origin rather than Origin vs Steam.

Your post lacks one thing: Steam sales.

EA had a perfect opportunity to attract an assload of customers to its service this holiday season via holiday sales, yet they didn't do it.  Valve, on the other hand, had games with heavily discounted prices, many of which also currently exist on Origin.  If Steam launched around the same time as Origin and both companies mantained their current practices, Valve would still pull ahead because of their competitive pricing.

Back in December, people could've purchased Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 three times on Steam and it still wouldn't cost as much as buying those same two games once on Origin.

I know a bunch ofpeople who literally came into PC gaming because of Steam sales (as in, buying games on Steam and then upgrading their systems to be able to play said games).  Valve's library could be as large as EA's library, and they'd still be preferred because people know that their money will be able to go farther on Steam than on Origin.

[SpringMan]

I wonder if EA's PR department knows what they have done to the meaning of the words "best possible user experience". I has been a set phrase before, but the amount of irony it has accumulated by now is staggering.

[Lambchopz]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

I believe that the reason why Valve is so successful (specifically with customers) rather than being how it treats customers it is the fact over it's life time has accumulated a truly vast library of games to sell and if was in Origins position still where only had Valve titles being sold it's popularity would be vastly different. In my opinion if Steam was launched again same time Origin was launched as new beginning for EA, but with only Valves own titles it would be on par with EA on users and not much higher if at all. Now EA has said it has got interest by large third parties in placing their titles in Origin and is in the process of working out details with them, so given time being a rival to Steam is quite likley once the amount of titles increases drastically in the store. Once it gets to that stage it will then be about who is cheaper rather than bias due to favoritism between the two.

This is just my opinion and is bound to get the attention of those who both do not like Origin and those who have personal favoritism towards Steam but it is how I feel and think right now about this topic/subject. This is borderline on topic but I don't wish to go much further into it because I wish to concentrate more on the Mass Effect 3 aspect alongside Origin rather than Origin vs Steam.

Your post lacks one thing: Steam sales.

EA had a perfect opportunity to attract an assload of customers to its service this holiday season via holiday sales, yet they didn't do it.  Valve, on the other hand, had games with heavily discounted prices, many of which also currently exist on Origin.  If Steam launched around the same time as Origin and both companies mantained their current practices, Valve would still pull ahead because of their competitive pricing.

Back in December, people could've purchased Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 three times on Steam and it still wouldn't cost as much as buying those same two games once on Origin.

I know a bunch ofpeople who literally came into PC gaming because of Steam sales (as in, buying games on Steam and then upgrading their systems to be able to play said games).  Valve's library could be as large as EA's library, and they'd still be preferred because people know that their money will be able to go farther on Steam than on Origin.

That is what I think EA is doing wrong, as opposed to flawed TOS/EULA. They aren't able, or aren't willing, or for whatever reason just aren't offering the same advantages of Steam in pricing and convenience. Also, people who are already invested in Steam and all their friends and games are on Steam don't like the idea of needing to use a completely seperate client to essentially do the same thing for certain games. That is the only reason I would put Steam over Origins at the moment, but that is a pretty big deal.

[AlanC9]

Ottemis wrote...

And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.

Wait a minute. You're saying that it's OK if Steam does something  because Steam is older and familiar..... and you're accusing someone else of illogic? 

[Bogsnot1]

Wow, I'm still here. Anyways, another question you will probabaly ignore.

Why not make the German version of Origin and its EULA the default version worldwide? Make the double opt-in the default for everyone, instead of having to go along and opt-out of everything.

I know why it wont happen, I just want to hear your reasoning why.

[shepskisaac]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Why not make the German version of Origin and its EULA the default version worldwide?

THIS!!!!! <_<

[casadechrisso]

Alex_SM wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

if origin is used for installation why do i need to keep it installed for playing?

Because Origin is the real product, and Mass Effect 3 just the promotional tool. 

That pretty much nails the whole thing, thanks. 

[Lambchopz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.

Wait a minute. You're saying that it's OK if Steam does something  because Steam is older and familiar..... and you're accusing someone else of illogic? 

I think you misunderstood his point. His point, which is more than valid, is that Steam has had a much longer lifespan, and had a very, very large large library of games in comparison to Origin, which has like, 10 games that are actually out that you can buy. Steam is well known, trusted, and has a decent track record in recent years. Origin is lacking all of those things, and also has this stigma about it with EA's bad track record and paranoia over the EULA.

Regardless, that's not Steam's fault, EA will need to figure out how to deal with it if they truly want Origin to be at all succesful.

[Erode_The_Soul]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.

What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.

[Dragoonlordz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Why not make the German version of Origin and its EULA the default version worldwide?

THIS!!!!! <_<

It is something you should be asking EA not Bioware or Bioware's customers.  

Email them (EA) as you know Bioware cannot answer that.

[Alex_SM]

Bioware is EA. Said by BW CEOs.

[Travie]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Some political discussion removed. if this kind of behaviour continues in this thread, I'm going to start sending warnings to violators of our "no political discussions" rule.

Stanley Woo 2012?

[craigdolphin]

Lambchopz wrote...

Origin's EULA and TOS aren't really that much worse then, say, Microsoft or Steam's, they just take a lot more flack for theirs for whatever reason.

I don't recall ever saying that I had any interest in allowing Steam or GFWL to be bundled with the software I purchase from Bioware. Regardless, this is not Valve's forum, nor is it Microsoft's forum. I am not interested in discussing their unrelated products with Bioware. That's a waste of their time and mine.

But to address your point, as I read Valve's EULA for Steam, they do not have the right to scan my computer for data that is unrelated to their products or to my ability to run their games. I do read EA's Origin EULA to give them that right, if I agree to it. They have already attempted to use that right and have only modified their behavior after being caught out. I do not trust them not to revert to it at a later time. I do not use GFWL so I cannot comment about that. And if they do as you say, then I wouldn't want any software with GFWL either.

All I want is to play the games I purchase without EA intruding into my
privacy, or having the right to terminate my access to legally
purchased games if some over-worked EA moderator bans me for something as
stupid as being QUOTED by someone else who gets themselves banned, all without right of appeal to a neutral arbitrator.

In any case, EA will either allow me to opt out of data collection, and ensure that baseless forum bans do not remove access to legally purchased single-player content, or they won't. If they don't they won't get my money. If they do, they will. I used to feel bad about being forced to make that stand. That is no longer the case. I hate console gaming. I despise that secondhand console games are my only legal option to play games that I used to love playing on PC. I would rather see the creative people at Bioware get some of that money as reward for their good work. But if EA refuses to make me an offer that allows me to play legally on my PC (as collateral damage to their goal of seeding Origin everwhere), then I'm afraid I have to take the reciprocal attitude that Bioware devs are collateral damage to my right to keep my dollars out of EA's accounts and maintain my privacy.

[Lambchopz]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.

What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.

I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.

I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.

Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.

[Massefeckt]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...

Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.

And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.

That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.

I believe that the reason why Valve is so successful (specifically with customers) rather than being how it treats customers it is the fact over it's life time has accumulated a truly vast library of games to sell and if was in Origins position still where only had Valve titles being sold it's popularity would be vastly different. In my opinion if Steam was launched again same time Origin was rebranded, rebuilt and relaunched as new beginning for EA, but with only Valves own titles it would be on par with EA on users and not much higher if at all.

Now EA has said it has got interest by large third parties in placing their titles in Origin and is in the process of working out details with them, so given time being a rival to Steam is quite likley once the amount of titles increases drastically in the store. Once it gets to that stage it will then be about who is cheaper rather than bias due to favoritism between the two.

This is just my opinion and is bound to get the attention of those who both do not like Origin and those who have personal favoritism towards Steam but it is how I feel and think right now about this topic/subject. This is borderline on topic but only just because talks about Origin [imho] however I don't wish to go much further into it because I wish to concentrate more on the Mass Effect 3 aspect alongside Origin rather than Origin vs Steam.

Steam has amazing sales, promotes independant games and Valve in general is known as being a Gamer company as in the head guy and all the staff play games and understand the people they are selling too.

EA is known as pushing out or buying and destroying independant game makers, bad customer service, high pricing and being very very corporate it's head guys are corporate business men most who don't play games and don't understand their customers.

They couldn't be more different in reality or public perception.

Who are these third parties? EA has a bad rep for it's treatment of other companies I don't see many picking Origin over Steam and it a game is offered on both then Steam sales and overall lower pricing will beat them every time.

They also won't take on any games they feel are competing for their money only non threatening titles so again Steam will win.