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Modifié par StarcloudSWG, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:57 .
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Bogsnot1 wrote...
Wow, I'm still here. Anyways, another question you will probabaly ignore.
Why not make the German version of Origin and its EULA the default version worldwide? Make the double opt-in the default for everyone, instead of having to go along and opt-out of everything.
I know why it wont happen, I just want to hear your reasoning why.
craigdolphin wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
Origin's EULA and TOS aren't really that much worse then, say, Microsoft or Steam's, they just take a lot more flack for theirs for whatever reason.
I don't recall ever saying that I had any interest in allowing Steam or GFWL to be bundled with the software I purchase from Bioware. Regardless, this is not Valve's forum, nor is it Microsoft's forum. I am not interested in discussing their unrelated products with Bioware. That's a waste of their time and mine.
But to address your point, as I read Valve's EULA for Steam, they do not have the right to scan my computer for data that is unrelated to their products or to my ability to run their games. I do read EA's Origin EULA to give them that right, if I agree to it. They have already attempted to use that right and have only modified their behavior after being caught out. I do not trust them not to revert to it at a later time. I do not use GFWL so I cannot comment about that. And if they do as you say, then I wouldn't want any software with GFWL either.
All I want is to play the games I purchase without EA intruding into my
privacy, or having the right to terminate my access to legally
purchased games if some over-worked EA moderator bans me for something as
stupid as being QUOTED by someone else who gets themselves banned, all without right of appeal to a neutral arbitrator.
In any case, EA will either allow me to opt out of data collection, and ensure that baseless forum bans do not remove access to legally purchased single-player content, or they won't. If they don't they won't get my money. If they do, they will. I used to feel bad about being forced to make that stand. That is no longer the case. I hate console gaming. I despise that secondhand console games are my only legal option to play games that I used to love playing on PC. I would rather see the creative people at Bioware get some of that money as reward for their good work. But if EA refuses to make me an offer that allows me to play legally on my PC (as collateral damage to their goal of seeding Origin everwhere), then I'm afraid I have to take the reciprocal attitude that Bioware devs are collateral damage to my right to keep my dollars out of EA's accounts and maintain my privacy.
Modifié par Zannana, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:57 .
Lambchopz wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Ottemis wrote...
And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.
Wait a minute. You're saying that it's OK if Steam does something because Steam is older and familiar..... and you're accusing someone else of illogic?
I think you misunderstood his point. His point, which is more than valid, is that Steam has had a much longer lifespan, and had a very, very large large library of games in comparison to Origin, which has like, 10 games that are actually out that you can buy. Steam is well known, trusted, and has a decent track record in recent years. Origin is lacking all of those things, and also has this stigma about it with EA's bad track record and paranoia over the EULA.
StarcloudSWG wrote...
Why is it necessary for Origin, which only authorizes the game once, to be installed if the multi-player component is not used?
Does this mean that Origin requests a connection to EA's servers *every* time Mass Effect 3 is launched?
Does this mean that Origin scans the computer every time Mass Effect 3 is launched?
If, after allowing Origin to validate ME 3's install *once*, I then block Origin from 'calling home' via the firewall, does that mean Mass Effect 3 will not be playable?
StarcloudSWG wrote...
If, after allowing Origin to validate ME 3's install *once*, I then block Origin from 'calling home' via the firewall, does that mean Mass Effect 3 will not be playable?
AlanC9 wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Ottemis wrote...
And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.
Wait a minute. You're saying that it's OK if Steam does something because Steam is older and familiar..... and you're accusing someone else of illogic?
I think you misunderstood his point. His point, which is more than valid, is that Steam has had a much longer lifespan, and had a very, very large large library of games in comparison to Origin, which has like, 10 games that are actually out that you can buy. Steam is well known, trusted, and has a decent track record in recent years. Origin is lacking all of those things, and also has this stigma about it with EA's bad track record and paranoia over the EULA.
I'm just not used to seeing network lock-in touted as a positive thing, I guess.
Other than that, there's fear about stuff that EA might do.
Ottemis wrote...
Sigh, Go read thiscraigdolphin wrote...
Discussion of politics is against the forum rules. Please take that to PM if you must: don't derail the thread.
And competition is good only if said content is available equally everwhere. If it isn't then it's not actual competition as there is no incentive for competition on price.
That said, I have no problem with Origin competing with Steam, except for the EULA and TOS which are completely unacceptable as they currently stand. Valve is no different to EA IMO except they're more interested in the customer experience. Which is a large reason why Steam is so obviously preferred by gamers.
And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Like I said several pages back, I'm not going to try to make sense of this pissing match between the two companies. I lean more towards believing Steam's version of things, but I'm not naive enough to believe I know all the sordid details. All I know is that Steam represents a significant user base -- one that isn't likely to be "persuaded" by EA to drop their current client in favor of Origin -- and if EA wants a steady chunk* of that business, then they'll put their games back up or make their client actually worth the switch.
* I say "steady chunk" because I'm not silly enough to think there won't be Steam users to adopt Origin for ME3. I just don't believe they'll remain with Origin past ME3's release.
AlanC9 wrote...
I'm just not used to seeing network lock-in touted as a positive thing, I guess.
Modifié par Walker White, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:11 .
Lambchopz wrote...
You do realize that no matter what Origin's EULA implies they CAN do, they still have to abide by data protection and privacy laws, right?
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Like I said several pages back, I'm not going to try to make sense of this pissing match between the two companies. I lean more towards believing Steam's version of things, but I'm not naive enough to believe I know all the sordid details. All I know is that Steam represents a significant user base -- one that isn't likely to be "persuaded" by EA to drop their current client in favor of Origin -- and if EA wants a steady chunk* of that business, then they'll put their games back up or make their client actually worth the switch.
* I say "steady chunk" because I'm not silly enough to think there won't be Steam users to adopt Origin for ME3. I just don't believe they'll remain with Origin past ME3's release.
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Like I said several pages back, I'm not going to try to make sense of this pissing match between the two companies. I lean more towards believing Steam's version of things, but I'm not naive enough to believe I know all the sordid details. All I know is that Steam represents a significant user base -- one that isn't likely to be "persuaded" by EA to drop their current client in favor of Origin -- and if EA wants a steady chunk* of that business, then they'll put their games back up or make their client actually worth the switch.
* I say "steady chunk" because I'm not silly enough to think there won't be Steam users to adopt Origin for ME3. I just don't believe they'll remain with Origin past ME3's release.
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
Lambchopz wrote...
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:24 .
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
My long standing faith in Bioware is on shaky ground as of late, I'll admit. But I've not given up yet, and I truly hope they can battle back from their most recent....eh, concerns. My problem with Origin, however, is separate from my problems with Bioware.
Right now, Origin offers nothing of benefit to me that Steam doesn't already offer. The one and only thing they have going for them is ME3. Love it though I do, Mass Effect is not enough of a reason for me to adopt Origin, especially in its current state.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:32 .
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Like I said several pages back, I'm not going to try to make sense of this pissing match between the two companies. I lean more towards believing Steam's version of things, but I'm not naive enough to believe I know all the sordid details. All I know is that Steam represents a significant user base -- one that isn't likely to be "persuaded" by EA to drop their current client in favor of Origin -- and if EA wants a steady chunk* of that business, then they'll put their games back up or make their client actually worth the switch.
* I say "steady chunk" because I'm not silly enough to think there won't be Steam users to adopt Origin for ME3. I just don't believe they'll remain with Origin past ME3's release.
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
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Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:31 .
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
My long standing faith in Bioware is on shaky ground as of late, I'll admit. But I've not given up yet, and I truly hope they can battle back from their most recent....stumbles. My problem with Origin, however, is separate from my problems with Bioware.
Right now, Origin offers nothing of benefit to me that Steam doesn't already offer. The one and only thing they have going for them is ME3. Love it though I do, Mass Effect is not enough of a reason for me to adopt Origin, especially in its current state.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
The best attitude I believe to take is judge Bioware on the quality of the games they produce, judge EA on the distribution. I do not believe one should judge Bioware on how their titles are distributed but maybe that's just me.
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
My long standing faith in Bioware is on shaky ground as of late, I'll admit. But I've not given up yet, and I truly hope they can battle back from their most recent....stumbles. My problem with Origin, however, is separate from my problems with Bioware.
Right now, Origin offers nothing of benefit to me that Steam doesn't already offer. The one and only thing they have going for them is ME3. Love it though I do, Mass Effect is not enough of a reason for me to adopt Origin, especially in its current state.
Fair enough. I will certainly be the first to point out that some of BioWares biggest, most recent titles have been pretty much complete pieces of ****, imo. Those being SWTOR and DA2. That didn't sit well with me, but the ME series is pretty much my favorite game series BioWare has ever made, so it would take a lot for me to give it up.
Chavez_Dice wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
Erode_The_Soul wrote...
I know that PC users are a minority in the first place, so the loss will be minimal; but I don't think that even matters. They may not lose money, but the money they make won't be enough. It's never enough. If they want more money (and they always do) they'll put it on Steam eventually.Lambchopz wrote...
I honestly don't think Origin is losing them as much money on ME3 as some of us make it out to be, especially since Steam has that whole 30% DLC sales share thing that EA was so upset over. They will most likely lose some money on the initial sales, a noticeable amount, but I don't think it spells doomsday for ME3 or EA so far.Erode_The_Soul wrote...
What it all boils down to is money. And if EA wants money from Steam users, they'll put the game on Steam eventually. That's my belief, anyway. The only other alternative is to make Origin better than Steam, and they're certainly doing nothing to suggest that that is their aim.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, put it this way, it will never be on Steam if they want Origin to succeed. If Origin fails epically, they might put it on Steam. But I doubt it.
I know it's popular to make EA look like the bad guys here, but they did cite some reasonable reasons as to why they decided to pull from Steam and start Origin, and they did have to do with money. That is not a question, and I don't think it should be seen with such disdain. EA is a company, companies want to make money.
Their ability to actually compete with Steam is certainly questionable, but we will see.
Like I said several pages back, I'm not going to try to make sense of this pissing match between the two companies. I lean more towards believing Steam's version of things, but I'm not naive enough to believe I know all the sordid details. All I know is that Steam represents a significant user base -- one that isn't likely to be "persuaded" by EA to drop their current client in favor of Origin -- and if EA wants a steady chunk* of that business, then they'll put their games back up or make their client actually worth the switch.
* I say "steady chunk" because I'm not silly enough to think there won't be Steam users to adopt Origin for ME3. I just don't believe they'll remain with Origin past ME3's release.
That may be true. I want to support ME3 and Bioware anyways, not EA, so if it turns out Origins is a dud but Bioware/ME3 still live on, I couldn't really care less what happens to Origin. I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin, I just think there's a lot of falsehoods and hyperbolic statements thrown around about how terrible Origins is.
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How delightfully descriptive. Could you support your statement?
Oh, I suppose you can't. And I can also definitely see why. Not only is your message completely numerical, the post you quoted is also crammed with assumptions. For one, a fair number of people here aren't Steam users. Saying how it's understandable that people prefer Steam over Origin false accuses the anti-Origin clique of this thread of biased preferences.
Ergo, PnXMarcin1PL is simply ignorant and should refrain from posting in overall (or disable numeric characters on his keyboard), and Lambchopz is terrible at forming misleading arguments.
Insert coin and try again.
Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:37 .
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