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[Ottemis]

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock.
But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

Modifié par Ottemis, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:40 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Yes , but it's been covered mutiple times.Valve owns steam not EA , EA for whatever reason didn't like steam's rules so they went with Origin.They have this right , just like you have the right not to buy and activate ME3 using Origins.

And that's fine, too. I never said they HAD to put it on Steam; just that if they wanted more money, they would. Honestly, I don't know enough about this situation to decide who's right or wrong. If EA wants to go with Origin, more power to them. I'll remain with Steam and hope they'll bring the game over to us or make their client worth having alongside of it.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Not meaning to be a nitpik, but..

10) If I have uninstalled Mass Effect 3 or Origin, do I need to reinstall Origin to reinstall Mass Effect 3?
You must have Origin installed to play Mass Effect 3. You would need to reinstall Origin and Mass Effect 3.

Shouldn't that have read ....Mass Effect and/or Origin... or even Mass Effect AND Origin?

Just asking!

Nobody's really sure , most say you still need origin to launch.But to me if it's one time activation process through origin , it seems like it's possible you might not.

[Lumikki]

Thank you for answering our questions Chris Priestly. It's nice to see customers questions get answered. Good job.
 
I also want to thank Bioware for excellent games they have made and hope all good for them in future. I have had a lot of fun of playing your games, Baldur's Gates, Baldur's Gate 2, NWN, Kotor, Jade Empire, Dragon Age: Origin, Mass effect, Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2. I would like nothing more than continue buying your excellent games.
 
How ever, this Origin client situation is not acceptable for me. So Sorry Bioware, I will not buy Mass Effect 3. My privacy, security and freedom of making my own choices is more important to me, than playing Origin client connected games. I don't accept forced unwanted software installations and intrusion of my privacy. When company doesn't anymore respect they customers, then it's over. 

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 janvier 2012 - 07:34 .

[elitecom]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

 I know that PC users are a minority in the first place.

How do you know that? Seems like a bold statement to me, yet I've heard it a couple of times before. Is there any data which would compare PC sales to Xbox sales? Even so, you'd still lack digital sales records from certain vendors such as Steam, which don't publish sales data.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Yes , but it's been covered mutiple times.Valve owns steam not EA , EA for whatever reason didn't like steam's rules so they went with Origin.They have this right , just like you have the right not to buy and activate ME3 using Origins.

And that's fine, too. I never said they HAD to put it on Steam; just that if they wanted more money, they would. Honestly, I don't know enough about this situation to decide who's right or wrong. If EA wants to go with Origin, more power to them. I'll remain with Steam and hope they'll bring the game over to us or make their client worth having alongside of it.

It wasn't completly directed at you , you clearly get the situation;).But some of the others refuse to accept the fact that EA has the right to do this.<_<

[Dragoonlordz]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

Not meaning to be a nitpik, but..

10) If I have uninstalled Mass Effect 3 or Origin, do I need to reinstall Origin to reinstall Mass Effect 3?
You must have Origin installed to play Mass Effect 3. You would need to reinstall Origin and Mass Effect 3.

Shouldn't that have read ....Mass Effect and/or Origin... or even Mass Effect AND Origin?

Just asking!

I think better way would be to have just left it as "You must have Origin installed to play Mass Effect 3" would have more than sufficed. You must have Origin installed to play the game (even though does not require you to be online except first time activation) regardless of which you uninstalled or when.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:44 .

[didymos1120]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Why is it necessary for Origin, which only authorizes the game once, to remain installed if the multi-player component is not used?

It's not necessary in any ultimate sense, but Origin fetches and stores the licenses.  Uninstall it, and your license goes with it. Could they do it another way?  Of course they could, but they didn't.

[Pcmag1]

Bugs and Issues
Post here if you find a bug or if you are having issues with Origin.
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I thought I might mention other reason why I am not very fond of Origin

Modifié par Pcmag1, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .

[elitecom]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

elitecom wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

 I know that PC users are a minority in the first place.

How do you know that? Seems like a bold statement to me, yet I've heard it a couple of times before. Is there any data which would compare PC sales to Xbox sales? Even so, you'd still lack digital sales records from certain vendors such as Steam, which don't publish sales data.

PC 'users' are not a minority by even the smallest stretch of the imagination. The PC market is the biggest in the world and dwarfs even all consoles put together. The difference lays in PC 'gaming users' and not PC 'users' as a whole.

I was actually thinking in terms of the Mass Effect franchise. Overall there are of course a lot more PC users than console users, but in terms of the Mass Effect franchise are PC users really a minority? I doubt that, but there doesn't seem to be much data to figure it out either way.

[Chavez_Dice]

The WYSIWYG editor is acting really silly here, so my excuse for the somewhat crooked post (mostly in regards to the listing).

Lambchopz wrote...
I don't see how my argument is misleading, can you please explain?

Sure, this is what it's basically about:

"I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin"

That is misleading as you suggest the anti-Origin side of this thread is pro-Steam, you base this on yet another assumption:

"I think the anti-Origin folk in general are pro-Steam"

Which couldn't be less true because (allow me to quote myself):

"a fair number of people here aren't Steam users"

Or were you under the impression that quite some people were asking for a clean retail version because Valve gets revenue out of that too? Nah, of course you don't, I'm being silly here. However, it does show how inconsiderate your arguments are. I'm not stating that there aren't Steam fans around here, but I can safely state they don't make up the entire anti-Origin group. There is a considerable amount of users that have been asking for a retail verison without Origin so that they at least can import their savegame and continue playing without requiring Origin. You can refer to the previous topic for that.

Lambchopz wrote...
I think most of the reasons you "anti-Origin" clique people claim to be so anti-Origin are a bit irrational and unrealistic. You all are so convinced that you are justified in what you are doing, and apparently are invincible to facts placed in front of your face. That's fine, I really don't care if that's where you're at, but you are essentially blowing things out of proportion.

Sweet mother of jesus, even more assumptions! Let's see how many of these can be supported:

• ...

Now allow me to point out where the fallacies are at:

• " I think most of the reasons you "anti-Origin" clique people claim to be so anti-Origin are a bit irrational and unrealistic." - This holds no relevancy or whatsoever is you don't support that statement. Without, you are only stating an opinion and these are worthless in this context.
• "You all are so convinced that you are justified in what you are doing" - Doing what? And how are we thinking it's justified? This lacks so much elaboration that I can't even respond to it.
• "but you are essentially blowing things out of proportion." - Again, blowing what out of proportion, and why is it out of proportion?

Lambchopz wrote...

I think the anti-Origin folk in general are pro-Steam, you who are anti-both are most definitely the statistical minority. I've already stated I don't like either of them, I've just become complacent enough to use them at this point in time. In a sense, I respect those who refuse to use either Steam or Origin more then those who use Steam, but not Origin, because at least you are being consistent.

That, too, is countered with the first paragraphs of this post.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:53 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

I think people really need to go read about customer/consumer rights , if not then people are just choosing to being ignorant to knowing they have rights that companies can't abuse.

[Alex_SM]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think people really need to go read about customer/consumer rights , if not then people are just choosing to being ignorant to knowing they have rights that companies can't abuse.

But many companies do abuse. Like the "no refund" policy for videogames, which is against consumer rights, but stores (and distributors) go on with it. 

[Icinix]

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Alex_SM wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

I think people really need to go read about customer/consumer rights , if not then people are just choosing to being ignorant to knowing they have rights that companies can't abuse.

But many companies do abuse. Like the "no refund" policy for videogames, which is against consumer rights, but stores (and distributors) go on with it. 

Then that's when you take action against that company , you don't just let them get away with it.People have to wake up and know they don't have to continue to be the victim or on the defense.

[Dragoonlordz]

@ Chavez_Dice and Lambchopz

I don't think anything constructive can come from this specific discussion you two are having.

I think both of you two realise this too, do you not? I am not trying to play mod on this but I can see and believe you two can also see where it is heading and I don't wish to see what for most part has been nice polite recent turn of events in the thread turn into war zone.

[jamesp81]

Lambchopz wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

And no, Steam is older, familiar and offers games outside of Valve, not comparable. Funnily you said that yourself, bit of a contradiction your post. Or you apply what you say in an illogical fashion, either way.

Wait a minute. You're saying that it's OK if Steam does something  because Steam is older and familiar..... and you're accusing someone else of illogic? 

I think you misunderstood his point. His point, which is more than valid, is that Steam has had a much longer lifespan, and had a very, very large large library of games in comparison to Origin, which has like, 10 games that are actually out that you can buy. Steam is well known, trusted, and has a decent track record in recent years. Origin is lacking all of those things, and also has this stigma about it with EA's bad track record and paranoia over the EULA.

I'm just not used to seeing network lock-in touted as a positive thing, I guess.

Other than that, there's fear about stuff that EA might do.

Well, to clarify, I don't like that this trend of shady policies by game developers has become so widespread and acceptable. I guess I just want to point out that EA isn't the only company doing it, but it's bad no matter who is doing it. Instead of approaching it from a standpoint of EA is bad, I would rather approach it from a standpoint of this practice is bad, no matter who does it, or just leave it be. EA is certainly not the only company at fault for these things, not by a longshot, but it's pretty bad no matter who does it.

Put another way, someone else's bad behavior doesn't excuse or justify EA's bad behavior.

[Chavez_Dice]

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

You start Origin like you would start Steam, and then play. If you don't start Origin, you won't be playing ME3.

Also, try not to post on their forums and pray to god nobody mentions your name on their forums, because you will lose your entire game library when the forum mods are having a bad day. Also try to refrain from a two year hiatus, that too will result in the purge of your account.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[elitecom]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They are, I am not taking sides just stating all the research I have done over the past has shown even when include digital sales console games do sell more [these days]. However this is not universal in the sense some games do sell much more on the PC then consoles even if cross platform and have to take into account hundreds ot titles each year come out for the PC that will never see the light of day on the consoles which dwarfs the very few exclusives the console market gets to brag about, however ME series is not one of those I am afriad to say. I own it on the PC too it is worth mentioning. 

Alright, but that answer was slightly more ambiguous than I'd hoped for. I was hoping to find some solid sales numbers that would clarify whether there actually are more a lot more console sales than PC sales in the Mass Effect franchise, and thus if PC players actually are a minority(which has been claimed multiple times by multiple users, each time with little to no evidence to back up the claim) or not.

[Icinix]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

You start Origin like you would start Steam, and then play. If you don't start Origin, you won't be playing ME3.

Also, try not to post on their forums and pray to god nobody mentions your name on their forums, because you will lose your entire game library when the forum mods are having a bad day. Also try to refrain from a two year hiatus, that too will result in the purge of your account.

^.- 
er...

I do not think that is the answer to the question that I was asking. But I do appreciate your input 

[Dragoonlordz]

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Good and very valid question. If I was to jump to assumption based on my own (probably flawed) logic I would think Origin would be used for verification and activation but as to wha has or will happen with the in game log in process that I wouldn't wish to guess personally. I guess Chris could find that out for us since it is a good question to ask.

[Dragoonlordz]

elitecom wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
They are, I am not taking sides just stating all the research I have done over the past has shown even when include digital sales console games do sell more [these days]. However this is not universal in the sense some games do sell much more on the PC then consoles even if cross platform and have to take into account hundreds ot titles each year come out for the PC that will never see the light of day on the consoles which dwarfs the very few exclusives the console market gets to brag about, however ME series is not one of those I am afriad to say. I own it on the PC too it is worth mentioning. 

Alright, but that answer was slightly more ambiguous than I'd hoped for. I was hoping to find some solid sales numbers that would clarify whether there actually are more a lot more console sales than PC sales in the Mass Effect franchise, and thus if PC players actually are a minority(which has been claimed multiple times by multiple users, each time with little to no evidence to back up the claim) or not.

I understand but it is hard to take years of looking at charts, figures and reports including sales data and decide and find one definitive holy grail evidence.  

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

@ Chavez_Dice and Lambchopz

I don't think anything constructive can come from this specific discussion you two are having.

I think both of you two realise this too, do you not? I am not trying to play mod on this but I can see and believe you two can also see where it is heading and I don't wish to see what for most part has been nice polite recent turn of events in the thread turn into war zone.

I legitimately hope the mods don't share your perspective on this as it would mean the discussion can be lead on the basis of plain assumptions and fallacies. If that were the case, the mods might as well close the threads entirely as it will bring nothing forth. For something to be constructive, it requires relevancy and supported arguments. If users here are allowed to start debating like Lambchopz and base arguments on what you think are facts, then this sort of topic doesn't have any use at all.

[hard-case]

Man, trying to keep up with these threads and having a heavy workload at the job just do not go well together!

A few questions came to mind going over the whole Origins thing...mostly from the perspective of not being familiar with it. I generally prefer to get boxed games from the store/Amazon, and generally tolerate it when they require some form of client (looking at you, Skyrim!)...and the last "EA" game I picked up was Crysis 2 which I played, beat, and uninstalled before Origin's was released. In fact, only times I've heard of it have been regarding the Battlefied 3 release (didn't get....I don't play online games) and now with Mass Effect 3. I'm not exactly happy with it, but I understand why it's being done and accept that that is the way it will be. A lot of credit has to be given I think to Mr. Priestly for continuing to act as go-between with the forums and Bioware/EA, considering both how contentious this issue has become and how difficult it must be to get answers out of EA. Not to mention having to do everything within the umbrella of EA's PR.


I guess my concern isn't really the inclusion of Origin into the mix by itself but how the addition of Origin and some of the online/MP elements will affect people like me, the simple yokels who buy the game to play the story and don't venture beyond the realm of SP. I don't recall seeing any of these questions answered, but if they have been I'd greatly appreciate a nod to where. Thanks!

1. Considering the integration of Origin and ME3, how will this process work? Will it be relatively seamless as was connecting Dragon Age/Dragon Age 2/Cerberus Network to their servers, or will this be a matter of "open up game, Origin Launcher pops up for account verification (local if offline), then Mass Effect 3 Launcher opens, then the game loads"?

2. Will the integration with Origin result in the same problems with DLC that existed with Mass Effect 2 (at least for a while), where running with no online connection/access to the Cerberus resulted in no authentication of installed DLC and thus prevented their use?

3. Considering that Origin will be a requirement to run, will the protection/anti-cheat mechanisms existing within Origin be active even during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3?

4. If so, will the utilization of custom mods/skins, trainers, and other such items during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3 trigger these mechanisms? As an example of "other such items", during additional playthroughs of Mass Effect 2 I used a memory address editor to get around the whole "mining" issue by just upping the resources I needed that way. The whole mining thing to me wasn't all that fun the first time around....on the 4th playthrough it was downright mind-numbing!

5. If they do, will the penalties enacted result in loss of access to even the single player/single player-offline version of Mass Effect 3?

6. Again considering the integration of Origin with Mass Effect 3, does this mean that the EA "issue" of forum bans sometimes resulting in loss of access even to single player games and possibly the full Origin account (including deletion of purchased content) will be in effect for Mass Effect 3?

7. If so, does the linking of Origin and EA accounts mean that the above can be enacted from the Bioware Social Network in additon to the EA forums?

8. If such a thing were to happen, what process of adjudication exists to address/challenge it? Do we go through Bioware, EA, a mix of both?

9. Just to be sure, as I assume it will be the case, will it be made clear on the packaging of the physical copies of Mass Effect 3 that installation of Origin client will be required to install/run the game?

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

That's bring it back on topic , origins mostly likely is required at present for activation.After launch more options might appear.