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[Chavez_Dice]

Icinix wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

You start Origin like you would start Steam, and then play. If you don't start Origin, you won't be playing ME3.

Also, try not to post on their forums and pray to god nobody mentions your name on their forums, because you will lose your entire game library when the forum mods are having a bad day. Also try to refrain from a two year hiatus, that too will result in the purge of your account.

^.- 
er...

I do not think that is the answer to the question that I was asking. But I do appreciate your input 

It does, actually. Origin is very similar to Steam. If you haven't used that, then a brief explenation might be in place:

Origin manages content and activation. ME3 will be checking if you run Origin or not. The DLC are simply additional (or modified original) content files. Buying them will make Origin patch your original client with these add-ons. Common sense would say that once in place, they won't be doing any authorization. Then again, who knows how Ubi our friendly distributor might be. As much as I discredit EA games, I don't think they would go that far.

[Icinix]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Good and very valid question. If I was to jump to assumption based on my own (probably flawed) logic I would think Origin would be used for verification and activation but as to wha has or will happen with the in game log in process that I wouldn't wish to guess personally. I guess Chris could find that out for us since it is a good question to ask.

Thats my logic too and what I'm hoping for.

As it stands Origin isn't offering anything as a software platform, beyond an additional overhead. However, if it is something which is going to eliminate the need for validity checks within the game - then its a huge plus.

The last few years of EA games throwing me their "Logon to EA" the second I start then constant server connection errors, unable to use DLC, massive delays in connections etc has driven me bonkers on many occasions.

[Icinix]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

You start Origin like you would start Steam, and then play. If you don't start Origin, you won't be playing ME3.

Also, try not to post on their forums and pray to god nobody mentions your name on their forums, because you will lose your entire game library when the forum mods are having a bad day. Also try to refrain from a two year hiatus, that too will result in the purge of your account.

^.- 
er...

I do not think that is the answer to the question that I was asking. But I do appreciate your input 

It does, actually. Origin is very similar to Steam. If you haven't used that, then a brief explenation might be in place:

Origin manages content and activation. ME3 will be checking if you run Origin or not. The DLC are simply additional (or modified original) content files. Buying them will make Origin patch your original client with these add-ons. Common sense would say that once in place, they won't be doing any authorization. Then again, who knows how Ubi our friendly distributor might be. As much as I discredit EA games, I don't think they would go that far.

Ahh sorry. I have Steam, but its in pretty much perma offline mode, and only there for games like Skyrim which must have it installed to work.

Cheers for that! I hope that is how it works.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

hard-case wrote...

Man, trying to keep up with these threads and having a heavy workload at the job just do not go well together!

A few questions came to mind going over the whole Origins thing...mostly from the perspective of not being familiar with it. I generally prefer to get boxed games from the store/Amazon, and generally tolerate it when they require some form of client (looking at you, Skyrim!)...and the last "EA" game I picked up was Crysis 2 which I played, beat, and uninstalled before Origin's was released. In fact, only times I've heard of it have been regarding the Battlefied 3 release (didn't get....I don't play online games) and now with Mass Effect 3. I'm not exactly happy with it, but I understand why it's being done and accept that that is the way it will be. A lot of credit has to be given I think to Mr. Priestly for continuing to act as go-between with the forums and Bioware/EA, considering both how contentious this issue has become and how difficult it must be to get answers out of EA. Not to mention having to do everything within the umbrella of EA's PR.


I guess my concern isn't really the inclusion of Origin into the mix by itself but how the addition of Origin and some of the online/MP elements will affect people like me, the simple yokels who buy the game to play the story and don't venture beyond the realm of SP. I don't recall seeing any of these questions answered, but if they have been I'd greatly appreciate a nod to where. Thanks!

1. Considering the integration of Origin and ME3, how will this process work? Will it be relatively seamless as was connecting Dragon Age/Dragon Age 2/Cerberus Network to their servers, or will this be a matter of "open up game, Origin Launcher pops up for account verification (local if offline), then Mass Effect 3 Launcher opens, then the game loads"?

2. Will the integration with Origin result in the same problems with DLC that existed with Mass Effect 2 (at least for a while), where running with no online connection/access to the Cerberus resulted in no authentication of installed DLC and thus prevented their use?

3. Considering that Origin will be a requirement to run, will the protection/anti-cheat mechanisms existing within Origin be active even during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3?

4. If so, will the utilization of custom mods/skins, trainers, and other such items during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3 trigger these mechanisms? As an example of "other such items", during additional playthroughs of Mass Effect 2 I used a memory address editor to get around the whole "mining" issue by just upping the resources I needed that way. The whole mining thing to me wasn't all that fun the first time around....on the 4th playthrough it was downright mind-numbing!

5. If they do, will the penalties enacted result in loss of access to even the single player/single player-offline version of Mass Effect 3?

6. Again considering the integration of Origin with Mass Effect 3, does this mean that the EA "issue" of forum bans sometimes resulting in loss of access even to single player games and possibly the full Origin account (including deletion of purchased content) will be in effect for Mass Effect 3?

7. If so, does the linking of Origin and EA accounts mean that the above can be enacted from the Bioware Social Network in additon to the EA forums?

8. If such a thing were to happen, what process of adjudication exists to address/challenge it? Do we go through Bioware, EA, a mix of both?

9. Just to be sure, as I assume it will be the case, will it be made clear on the packaging of the physical copies of Mass Effect 3 that installation of Origin client will be required to install/run the game?

To answer one of them , anyone that at present has an ea account.You're now linked with origin , meaning you've already given some information away.

[LittleDiegito]

Fredvdp wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I have answers to frequently asked questions. They are below and I have added them to the questions in the first post.


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

I still want to know why this is a requirement. What does the player get out of this?

The customer gets to use up more harddrive space. Its good customer service

Modifié par LittleDiegito, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:16 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Chris Priestly wrote...
4) Will ME3 be available on Steam?
During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

I think those "limitations" are otherwise known as guidelines for protecting consumers.

Chris Priestly wrote...
6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware.  Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines.  In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder.   This is an ordinary Windows function, not an information-gathering process.

I guess it's a good thing that the term "spyware" is so open to interpretation, huh?


Anyway, this is the last BioWare game I am buying, and very likely the last EA game I am buying. Dragon Age has already ruined itself as a franchise for me, and with this, Mass Effect has as well. BioWare has shown me that they are not interested in me as a customer, and certainly don't care about any of my wishes. I will buy Mass Effect 3. However, I will not install or play it until I have a second computer that is completely clear of any personal files or data, or any safe games. As soon as BioWare stops supporting ME3, or as soon as their support becomes uninteresting, I will uninstall it and Origin forever. I will not buy any future Mass Effect games.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:20 .

[AlanC9]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
If we go off of ME3's pre-orders so far, there were more Xbox pre-orders last week than there were PC pre-orders in total.

So in relation to ME3, PC users do seem to be a bit of a minority. Although seeing as PS3 pre-orders were about a fifth of Xbox pre-orders the same could be said of them.

Note that we can't really do a  straight linear extrapolation from pre-order numbers. PC gamers may not pre-order exactly as much as console gamers do. I've never done it myself

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

[Lambchopz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

The WYSIWYG editor is acting really silly here, so my excuse for the somewhat crooked post (mostly in regards to the listing).

Lambchopz wrote...
I don't see how my argument is misleading, can you please explain?

Sure, this is what it's basically about:

"I don't blame people for picking Steam over Origin"

That is misleading as you suggest the anti-Origin side of this thread is pro-Steam, you base this on yet another assumption:

"I think the anti-Origin folk in general are pro-Steam"

Which couldn't be less true because (allow me to quote myself):

"a fair number of people here aren't Steam users"

Or were you under the impression that quite some people were asking for a clean retail version because Valve gets revenue out of that too? Nah, of course you don't, I'm being silly here. However, it does show how inconsiderate your arguments are. I'm not stating that there aren't Steam fans around here, but I can safely state they don't make up the entire anti-Origin group. There is a considerable amount of users that have been asking for a retail verison without Origin so that they at least can import their savegame and continue playing without requiring Origin. You can refer to the previous topic for that.

Lambchopz wrote...
I think most of the reasons you "anti-Origin" clique people claim to be so anti-Origin are a bit irrational and unrealistic. You all are so convinced that you are justified in what you are doing, and apparently are invincible to facts placed in front of your face. That's fine, I really don't care if that's where you're at, but you are essentially blowing things out of proportion.

Sweet mother of jesus, even more assumptions! Let's see how many of these can be supported:

• ...

Now allow me to point out where the fallacies are at:

• " I think most of the reasons you "anti-Origin" clique people claim to be so anti-Origin are a bit irrational and unrealistic." - This holds no relevancy or whatsoever is you don't support that statement. Without, you are only stating an opinion and these are worthless in this context.
• "You all are so convinced that you are justified in what you are doing" - Doing what? And how are we thinking it's justified? This lacks so much elaboration that I can't even respond to it.
• "but you are essentially blowing things out of proportion." - Again, blowing what out of proportion, and why is it out of proportion?

Lambchopz wrote...

I think the anti-Origin folk in general are pro-Steam, you who are anti-both are most definitely the statistical minority. I've already stated I don't like either of them, I've just become complacent enough to use them at this point in time. In a sense, I respect those who refuse to use either Steam or Origin more then those who use Steam, but not Origin, because at least you are being consistent.

That, too, is countered with the first paragraphs of this post.

You are distorting everything I'm saying to make it mean what you want it to mean. I never said "EVERY SINGLE anti-Origin person is a steam user" I said most are, and I even went as far as to say I respect those of you that use neither.

If I have to explain to you why you are doing what you are doing, then I think there's a problem. I've yet to see somebody claiming to be anti-Origin come up with a response besides "Steam is better" or something similar, or some variation of complaints about privacy. The thing is, most of those are based off of false or exaggerated statements. I don't care if you decide to not use Steam or Origin, that's totally fine and up to you, but most of the people who claim to be anti-Origin are citing false things, or assumed things. The reason these reasons are irrational and unrealistic is you never can provide the data, or facts to back them up. I say you in regards to the entire anti-Origin crowd.

Maybe some of you are doing it out of principle, which is understandable, I certainly don't agree with the practice of forcing people to use gaming platforms to run their games, which I have said many times. I just don't think there is enough facts to support the things some of claim are so egregiously wrong with Origins. I respect people's decision to reject products they don't agree with, I think more people SHOULD do it. It's just not something I'm going to do to deny myself of a truly good game. That is my choice.

Once again, I never said ALL anti-Origin people were pro-Steam, I said the majority of anti-Origin people are actually Steam users. I don't believe in absolute statements regarding such large groups. The reason this is a problem is because Origin and Steam do the same thing, and have the same problems in regards to privacy and ethics. I am against companies forcing people to use these things, but it's become a neccesity to do so to play most new games nowadays.

My experience with anti-Origin people is they talk about invasions of privacy or fear of what EA will do with the information they collect, that is the irrational side of the argument because it's speculation or false in most cases. If you are boycotting Origin out of principle, that's fine, I don't have a problem with it, but when you spread disinformation about it in order to sway people, that's a problem. Perhaps that portion of anti-Origin people is larger then I actually believe, and I would gladly accept it if it's true.

Basically, to sum it up, there are plenty of good reasons to boycott Origin AND Steam, but if you're going to boycott one, it's kind of hypocritical to not boycott the other, and the majority of the reasons people site as their reasons for boycotting Origin are hyperbolated to a pretty extreme degree in some cases.

To me, you seem like you just want to pick a fight and you won't accept any viewpoint but your own as a possibility, so I'm done with this unless you have a change of heart and want to have an actual discussion about it.

[Chavez_Dice]

AlanC9 wrote...

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:25 .

[Alex_SM]

AlanC9 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
If we go off of ME3's pre-orders so far, there were more Xbox pre-orders last week than there were PC pre-orders in total.

So in relation to ME3, PC users do seem to be a bit of a minority. Although seeing as PS3 pre-orders were about a fifth of Xbox pre-orders the same could be said of them.

Note that we can't really do a  straight linear extrapolation from pre-order numbers. PC gamers may not pre-order exactly as much as console gamers do. I've never done it myself

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

EA wants to kick Steam. It's part of a long term strategy. I think short place losings are asumed. 

Also VGChartz stats on PC gaming are really flawed. They don't measure digital sales, which are nowadays between 40-60% of PC market (depending on the country), and there are some games where publishers claims are some millions above VGChartz claims. 

On the other hand, I'm an avid PC gamer (from 1997), and I've only preordered one game in my life, and it was after playing the demo and due to a 20% discount for preordering. 

With regular prices I don't like to preorder anything. There are no advantages for customers. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[AlanC9]

Chavez_Dice wrote...


Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

I wasn't. Steam didn't help me, so I didn't see any reason to expect Origin to either.

[Baka-Shiroi-Neko]

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Based on the demo for kingdom of amalur reckoning I just tried to run, the answer could very well be no. I had to log into my ea account inside the game while being logged in on/running it from Origin.

[Massefeckt]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

+1000,000

This isn't anything to do with Steam policy it's EA flexing it's muscles and trying to oust Steam at it's customers expense.

[Lambchopz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

I think that is most definitely a good point. The Steam vs. Origin dispute is certainly causing a rift in PC Gamers that is kind of reminiscent of PS3 vs. 360, and that really has no place in the world of PC Games.

The major place where I disagree with Origin is that marketing tactic that seems to be what they are going for of trying to make any product available on Origin ONLY available on Origin. If that is the route they eventually embrace, which is very possible, then Origin is certainly very bad for the industry. The agrivating thing about that is EA's explanation for Origin in the first place is their belief in a free and open market place, which Origin does not appear to be truly supporting in the way they described.

We already have enough PC Games taking the route of only being legally launchable through Steam, I would hate to see that happen on two seperate fronts. Hopefully EA avoids that, but I'm not confident on it.

[Chavez_Dice]

Lambchopz wrote...
You are distorting everything I'm saying to make it mean what you want it to mean. I never said "EVERY SIanti-Origin person is a steam user" I said most are, and I even went as far as to say I respect those of you that use neither.

Because we all think what we do is justified, right?

Lambchopz wrote...

If I have to explain to you why you are doing what you are doing, then I think there's a problem. I've yet to see somebody claiming to be anti-Origin come up with a response besides "Steam is better" or something similar, or some variation of complaints about privacy. The thing is, most of those are based off of false or exaggerated statements. I don't care if you decide to not use Steam or Origin, that's totally fine and up to you, but most of the people who claim to be anti-Origin are citing false things, or assumed things. The reason these reasons are irrational and unrealistic is you never can provide the data, or facts to back them up. I say you in regards to the entire anti-Origin crowd. 

Excuse me? How is it going to help us if you pile up all arguments on behalf of the entire anti-Origin group? I can perfectly support my statements and I dare you to counter my arguments in regards to Origin. You know, the ones about the fact people have had their accounts purged at random, or that from a customer perspective it is completely unnecessary to ship Origin on CD's. I am, however, not going to argue on behalf of people that apparently do not support their statements (even though I have been roaming these topics long enough to know that most legitimate clients do). If you assume that the anti-Origin group is unable to support its statements, you imply that i can't support my statements.

 

Lambchopz wrote...


My experience with anti-Origin people is they talk about invasions of privacy or fear of what EA will do with the information they collect, that is the irrational side of the argument because it's speculation or false in most cases. If you are boycotting Origin out of principle, that's fine, I don't have a problem with it, but when you spread disinformation about it in order to sway people, that's a problem. Perhaps that portion of anti-Origin people is larger then I actually believe, and I would gladly accept it if it's true.

Perhaps they are potential paying customers, making their complaints legitimate because it is their wallet they are were going to empty to BioWare. Everyone has their own way of interpreting things, some may find it more important than others. I have yet to see any factual fallacies, however (not implying there aren't any, the threads grow exponential).

Lambchopz wrote...


To me, you seem like you just want to pick a fight and you won't accept any viewpoint but your own as a possibility, so I'm done with this unless you have a change of heart and want to have an actual discussion about it.

You are not in a position to cast a character on me like that. I am was a legitimate customer that is unsatisfied about the draconic policies the distributor has forced upon us. The fact that I'm being put together with a group of people that are unable to provide proper reasoning, thus apparently making my complaint irrelevant, does not lighten my mood.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Baka-Shiroi-Neko wrote...

Icinix wrote...

As the game now requires Origin.

Does that mean Mass Effect 3 has done away with the traditional log onto EA within the game in order to access DLC?

Or is it still a case of a one time activiation, but if you don't log onto EA within the game, you won't have access to your DLC?

Based on the demo for kingdom of amalur reckoning I just tried to run, the answer could very well be no. I had to log into my ea account inside the game while being logged in on/running it from Origin.

That is why I agreed with Icinix that it is a valid question. I do not think it would be a bad move to see if can get answer to whether or not ME3 (specifically) will have both ingame log in feature and Origin log in procedure or whether it will be just Origin log in procedure. I see nothing wrong personally with this question and it seems to be mean't in honest and genuine way given we have conflicted impressions on how it will work and none of us know either till has answer fro those who have access to the current version of ME3 or until we see for ourselves on release day.

[Dragoonlordz]

Lambchopz wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

I think that is most definitely a good point. The Steam vs. Origin dispute is certainly causing a rift in PC Gamers that is kind of reminiscent of PS3 vs. 360, and that really has no place in the world of PC Games.

The major place where I disagree with Origin is that marketing tactic that seems to be what they are going for of trying to make any product available on Origin ONLY available on Origin. If that is the route they eventually embrace, which is very possible, then Origin is certainly very bad for the industry. The agrivating thing about that is EA's explanation for Origin in the first place is their belief in a free and open market place, which Origin does not appear to be truly supporting in the way they described.

We already have enough PC Games taking the route of only being legally launchable through Steam, I would hate to see that happen on two seperate fronts. Hopefully EA avoids that, but I'm not confident on it.

I do not see Half Life or Portal on Origin as of yet.

I would say it goes both ways, Valve doesn't seem to be sharing it's titles with Origin either.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 10:51 .

[Rudy Lis]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

3. Another excellent question. I'd say it will work like Battlefield (which I don't have, someone who DOES have it on PC, speak up).

Hmm. Yes, what you want to know?

Fredvdp wrote...

The bad news is piling up. First Michael Beattie is not returnig as Mordin,

What?! Bah, "I leave home for a few days, and look what happens."

Ravenmyste wrote...

yep they did with fallout 3

What? It works perfectly without Steam. But with GWFL or whatever that alphabet soup named. And that GWFL allow you to use pure off-line "account" (have it since Halo 2) - just have to tab "Esc" key couple of times during loading.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:00 .

[Chavez_Dice]

Lambchopz wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

That vgchartz figure is kind of shocking, though. And if ME2 really had done much better on Steam, wouldn't EA have put ME3 on Steam?

In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.

I think that is most definitely a good point. The Steam vs. Origin dispute is certainly causing a rift in PC Gamers that is kind of reminiscent of PS3 vs. 360, and that really has no place in the world of PC Games.

The major place where I disagree with Origin is that marketing tactic that seems to be what they are going for of trying to make any product available on Origin ONLY available on Origin. If that is the route they eventually embrace, which is very possible, then Origin is certainly very bad for the industry. The agrivating thing about that is EA's explanation for Origin in the first place is their belief in a free and open market place, which Origin does not appear to be truly supporting in the way they described.

We already have enough PC Games taking the route of only being legally launchable through Steam, I would hate to see that happen on two seperate fronts. Hopefully EA avoids that, but I'm not confident on it.

I must mention I am not only aggravated by EA games. BioWare, or rather Chris, has stated they refused to cooperate with Steam because, I cite:

"Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

This is extremely vague and several users have asked clarification. Considering that BioWare has had time enough to make a statement regarding this, my take is that they too have ceased to care about the customer seeing how an explanation has yet to appear. I'm not used to this kind of behavior from BioWare, this new character they're developing has principles I do not agree with. I am very disappointed.

[Lambchopz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...
You are distorting everything I'm saying to make it mean what you want it to mean. I never said "EVERY SIanti-Origin person is a steam user" I said most are, and I even went as far as to say I respect those of you that use neither.

Because we all think what we do is justified, right?

Lambchopz wrote...

If I have to explain to you why you are doing what you are doing, then I think there's a problem. I've yet to see somebody claiming to be anti-Origin come up with a response besides "Steam is better" or something similar, or some variation of complaints about privacy. The thing is, most of those are based off of false or exaggerated statements. I don't care if you decide to not use Steam or Origin, that's totally fine and up to you, but most of the people who claim to be anti-Origin are citing false things, or assumed things. The reason these reasons are irrational and unrealistic is you never can provide the data, or facts to back them up. I say you in regards to the entire anti-Origin crowd. 

Excuse me? How is it going to help us if you pile up all arguments on behalf of the entire anti-Origin group? I can perfectly support my statements and I dare you to counter my arguments in regards to Origin. You know, the ones about the fact people have had their accounts purged at random, or that from a customer perspective it is completely unnecessary to ship Origin on CD's. I am, however, not going to argue on behalf of people that apparently do not support their statements (even though I have been roaming these topics long enough to know that most legitimate clients do). If you assume that the anti-Origin group is unable to support its statements, you imply that i can't support my statements.

 

Lambchopz wrote...


My experience with anti-Origin people is they talk about invasions of privacy or fear of what EA will do with the information they collect, that is the irrational side of the argument because it's speculation or false in most cases. If you are boycotting Origin out of principle, that's fine, I don't have a problem with it, but when you spread disinformation about it in order to sway people, that's a problem. Perhaps that portion of anti-Origin people is larger then I actually believe, and I would gladly accept it if it's true.

Perhaps they are potential paying customers, making their complaints legitimate because it is their wallet they are were going to empty to BioWare.

Lambchopz wrote...


To me, you seem like you just want to pick a fight and you won't accept any viewpoint but your own as a possibility, so I'm done with this unless you have a change of heart and want to have an actual discussion about it.

You are not in a position to cast a character on me like that. I am was a legitimate customer that is unsatisfied about the draconic policies the distributor has forced upon us. The fact that I'm being put together with a group of people that are unable to provide proper reasoning, thus apparently making my complaint irrelevant, does not lighten my mood.

Look, I'm certainly not trying to belittle your concerns, and you certainly show an ability to support what you are saying reasonably. I'm not trying to attack your character, the label of anti-Origin is a pretty broad label, and you do fit under it, along with those who you seem to not want to be associated with (reasonably so).

As far as I can tell, the things you have said in regards to why you don't like Origin are understandable, and I don't even disagree with them. You are just willing to take that a step further and boycott it, I have not reached a point where I would be willing to do that yet.

It was probably unwise for me to paint the anti-Origin crowd in such large strokes, but that has been most of my experience in dealing with people who are opposed to it.

The reason I speak out against the anti-Origin crowd isn't that I don't think Origin is bad or that it's a worthy cause to oppose it, I just think if you ARE going to oppose it so zealously, you should definitely be willing to do your own research on why and of course be able to support it with facts. It really does the whole cause of opposing something a dis-service when a large portion of the people opposed seem to be uninformed about it. You are clearly not uninformed, so I don't think that this should even concern you at all.

The reason I assumed you were just looking to pick a fight is I don't disagree with YOU individually, just the methods by which other people who can be loosely associated with you through the label of anti-Origin or what have you.

Also, I suppose it's a fair argument that whether their concerns are valid or not, if they were a former customer and now are not, they should be considered, but that's also not my job to do so, that is BioWare/EAs job, and I can't make them do anything. Whether you like it or not, arguing about the merit of Origin back and forth here is most likely not going to change it. What may eventually change it is if it proves to not be profitable for EA. Most people are already convinced one way or the other as far as ME3 goes at this point.

Anyways, I do honestly apologize if it seemed like I was trying to invalidate your concerns, that was not my goal. I just want to try and seperate rational argument from mindless complaining, and it's pretty clear to me you know what you are talking about.

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I do not see Half Life or Portal on Origin as of yet. 

I would say it goes both ways, Valve doesn't seem to be sharing it's titles with Origin either.

That comparison is incorrect to my opinion. Valve is a studio with a single franchise while EA games is a branch with aqcuired studios. 

I, for one, would find it understandable if the mechanical part of an Audi would not fit on any other car. However, it's a bit silly if a large factory with producing all kinds of brands does not manufacture for Audi because Audi [insert vague reason about customer relations and service here].

Lambchopz, I appreciate your understanding and I can see where you're coming from. I misjudged your position a bit but I'm aware of it now.

Modifié par Chavez_Dice, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:09 .

[Stanley Woo]

PC vs. console discussion removed.

Legal threats and discussion removed.

Some other off-topic discussion removed.

[Harley_Dude]

(Cost of Origin development + Cost of PR hired to spread FUD in forums) > Steam commissions

[Dragoonlordz]

hard-case wrote...

1. Considering the integration of Origin and ME3, how will this process work? Will it be relatively seamless as was connecting Dragon Age/Dragon Age 2/Cerberus Network to their servers, or will this be a matter of "open up game, Origin Launcher pops up for account verification (local if offline), then Mass Effect 3 Launcher opens, then the game loads"?
 

We do not know as of yet (as factual instead of guess work) whether will have to log into Origin and then log in again within ME3. It (I believe) is safe to assume however when the game is launched it will load Origin, while at the same time if go the other way around you can also launch the game through Origin itself too.

2. Will the integration with Origin result in the same problems with DLC that existed with Mass Effect 2 (at least for a while), where running with no online connection/access to the Cerberus resulted in no authentication of installed DLC and thus prevented their use?

This I do not know.

3. Considering that Origin will be a requirement to run, will the protection/anti-cheat mechanisms existing within Origin be active even during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3?

I do not know of any anti-cheat protocols within Origin client itself. But because of the MP aspect of ME3 I believe ME3 will contain some sort of anti-cheat protocols rather than Origin. The single player however (imho) will not be affected by this which follow up in answer to next question...

4. If so, will the utilization of custom mods/skins, trainers, and other such items during single player/single player-offline sessions of Mass Effect 3 trigger these mechanisms? As an example of "other such items", during additional playthroughs of Mass Effect 2 I used a memory address editor to get around the whole "mining" issue by just upping the resources I needed that way. The whole mining thing to me wasn't all that fun the first time around....on the 4th playthrough it was downright mind-numbing!

 

I [think] you will be able to use same level of mods as was available to ME2 and ME1 within the single player campaign but will not get a toolset for making any mods themselves direct from Bioware. The anti-cheat protocol of which I assume will be built into the game probably will have checks and balances however to cover the MP aspect with regard to mods. This however is just my logic of the situation and Chris could maybe clarifiy if ME3 contains any anti-cheat mechanisms within ME3 itself specifically due to the MP element.

5. If they do, will the penalties enacted result in loss of access to even the single player/single player-offline version of Mass Effect 3?

 

Don't know. Not in position to even guess or reply with opinion on that.

6. Again considering the integration of Origin with Mass Effect 3, does this mean that the EA "issue" of forum bans sometimes resulting in loss of access even to single player games and possibly the full Origin account (including deletion of purchased content) will be in effect for Mass Effect 3?

 

The forum bans issue I believe was resolved long time ago, where due to how previously worked blocking acces to your EA account on their servers would stop you registering new games and lock out DLC on that EA server account. I think this has been fixed and should not end up locked out of single player game if banned on the forums anymore.

7. If so, does the linking of Origin and EA accounts mean that the above can be enacted from the Bioware Social Network in additon to the EA forums?

 

Bioware handles only the Bioware forums and they do not ban EA accounts [at all] and never have. The report feature on the Bioware forums still goes to EA and bypasses Bioware I believe but even then you have to see the above answer for rest of this answer itself. This also [in theory] covers EA forums too with the above answer to last question.

8. If such a thing were to happen, what process of adjudication exists to address/challenge it? Do we go through Bioware, EA, a mix of both?

 

EA.

9. Just to be sure, as I assume it will be the case, will it be made clear on the packaging of the physical copies of Mass Effect 3 that installation of Origin client will be required to install/run the game?

Do not know this one myself but I would assume so, would not make much sense to be not be the case. All other software I have explains it on the case when a client is included, I see no reason why Bioware would be the exception to this.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:23 .