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[chance52]

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock. But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

With all due respect Ottemis that is exactly what did happen when EADM changed it's name to Origin. Those of us who did have games already were prevented from accessing them until we agreed to the new terms.  For a week or so after the switch we could deny the update but after a short window we were only allowed to agree or quit.  We are talking about the exact same company and their recent history, not some abstract notion of a hypothetical situation that never occurred.

[Daeel]

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

[Gotholhorakh]

Lambchopz wrote...
Basically, to sum it up, there are plenty of good reasons to boycott Origin AND Steam, but if you're going to boycott one, it's kind of hypocritical to not boycott the other, and the majority of the reasons people site as their reasons for boycotting Origin are hyperbolated to a pretty extreme degree in some cases.

No, it isn't any kind of contradiction. There is no problem with what Steam does, or indeed what Origin has yet done as a piece of software.

The fact that people keep claiming the software has this functionaliity or that functionality, is due to people's need, it seems, to make authoritative-sounding pronouncements that Origin is evil. What it does now is almost academic.

The problem is not what Origin has implemented so far, nor is it in requiiring a patch/content delivery platform to be installed, nor is it with authentication on install, et cetera.

The problem is and always has been these two things in combination:

1.Origin has required unbelievably intrusive levels of access to private property/data signed away for access to a computer game, and a EULA that can change at any point to boot (not uncommon in itself, but considering the terms that have already appeared, this is a concern for future use). This is bad enough but a person might sign up out of choice to play, say, an MMO.

2. REQUIRING this to play Mass Effect 3.  If a dialogue pops up when you use Origin and demands that you submit to
even more unreasonable terms (that weren't on/in the box) or log out a some point after you bought
your game, what then? Well some of us don't want to endorse that sort of thing.

The message so far has kind of looked like "Sign away your privacy and agree to our magical infinite EULA forever or don't play this game. PS: You can't return this game either. Thank you for your purchase."

I don't think for a moment that EA wants to send out this message, or that it has any ill intent with Origin.

What needs to be done with Origin is a little PR, to stop asking for the right to do things nobody should do, to inform the community of its intent and good faith, and draft in some of those fine legal minds to make serious explicit undertakings to maintain people's privacy now and ensure people can keep the protection of such terms in any future EULA revision.

If they literally will not take that tiny step to proactively fix a problem, if they are going to tacitly take what *looks* like a belligerent stance towards their own customer base,even if it i not, then I don't know what anyone in this community or anywhere else can do to help Origin, or that they should do anything at all.

For my part ME3 is possibly going to go the way of BF3, although there is the possibility of a console purchase.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:33 .

[Chavez_Dice]

mrsph wrote...

Hey Chris I have a question,

In the area I am currently living at highspeed internet isn't much of an option (I am limited to five gigs a month) would it be possible for me to install Origin somewhere else and download Mass Effect 3 there, place it in a flashdrive, and put it in the origin folder to have it installed at home?

Or I could just test it with the Kingdom of Amular demo later.

Judging by Origin's functional design, I'd say not. In your case, Origin isn't a very appealing solution*. Perhaps there is a way to configure that Origin does not download patches? As for the full ME3 content, with a bit of luck your method might work. Again, even though EA is going full Ubi right now, I don't believe they would go as far as including a GUID check in the content packaging. The chance still exists though.

* No, I do not think Origin is a solution. However, being a computer guy myself (software engineer), I try to use technical correct terms on my field of business.

[eyesofastorm]

To anyone that REALLY wants to try to make a difference in this issue, I would direct you here:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

https://www.bbb.org/...int/get-started

It wouldn't take but probably a few hundred or a thousand complaints filed in quick succession to get someone's attention. I think there are some legitimate arguments to made that Origin is detrimental to the industry, the competition, and the customers and gives entirely too much power to EA while leveraging Mass Effect 3 to force this on to customers. I'm waiting for a few more bits of information about Origin before I file my own complaints so that I might file them accurately and to the strongest effect. I would urge you to consider doing the same. The worst that could happen is nothing. At best, we get a few people REALLY investigating the legal ramifications of Origin and *maybe* get EA to give Origin a chance to earn it's way onto everyone's pcs rather than trying to force it on us. If you are interested to see what points I'll be bringing up in my complaints, PM me and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to file them.

[Rockworm503]

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

they been dictating what we can/cannot discuss here for years.  There's no conspiracy here their just following the rules.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Chris, or Stan or whoever: I want you to know that despite PC sales making up a small percentage of total sales, as consumers we offer unique advantages.

First, everyone knows how vocal we are, both for and against video games.

Second... ever see any interesting Mass Effect or Dragon Age videos on YouTube? The ones with crazy mods, or mashups, or cool gameplay videos? Well, all of them featuring crazy mods, and almost all of them that are of good video quality are made by PC gamers. I've done video capture off of consoles before, and I can tell you that it is much more expensive and more difficult than capturing with FRAPS, and even after all that, the quality won't be as high. The more technically literate a PC gamer is, the more likely they are to know about the controversy that is Origin, and the less likely they are to install it. This means much fewer high quality YouTube videos. While this may seem irrelevant to some, these videos are a unique type of viral marketing that pushes game sales not just for PC copies of the game, but console copies as well.

Third, there is almost no such thing as used game sales of PC games. GameStop doesn't carry used PC games, and it's not like many PC gamers go to eBay or anything for their needs. Whereas almost all late purchases by console gamers are for used copies of the game, almost all late purchases by PC gamers are discounted digital downloads. Also, since there are no console manufacturer licensing fees, you get a larger profit from each sale. We also tend to be more "hardcore" and OCD, so it wouldn't surprise me if a larger portion of PC gamers buy DLC (and collector's editions of the game). As for myself, I bought *all* Mass Effect 1&2 DLC, the ME2 CE, and even two books. I did this even though I could only use one of the items in the Firepower pack as an Engineer. And looking at the DLC now to check my facts, I see the relatively new "Genesis" DLC which is overpriced and totally unnecessary for me since I have Mass Effect 1. And I'm actually thinking of buying it. The point is, it would not surprise me at all if you make a higher profit margin off of each PC customer than off of each console customer.

And with all this said, you guys didn't stand up to EA about this enough, or worse were okay with the whole thing. We're not "just 2%" or whatever, we're an important 2%.

BTW, I am buying the hard copy collector's edition of the game. To me, it doesn't matter if BioWare and EA change their mind about Origin later on. Every time I install the game, I'll have to install origin. There won't be any updated installer for me. So if you guys wanna feel good that maybe down the road it'll change and we'll start to like you again, count at least one person out of that. And does it actually feel good to you guys that PC gamers feel you betrayed us or at the very least let us down by a remarkable amount? Forget all that "don't buy it if you don't want it" stuff. We want to buy it. We want to see your piece of art. We want to be fans.

As I said in my earlier post, this is my last purchase from BioWare and likely EA as a whole. And I won't install the game until I have a second computer that Origin can't mine any data from.

BTW Fail at having EVERY Mass Effect game on the PC have a different type of DRM/installer/DLC support/etc.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .

[Grinchy]

Chavez_Dice wrote...


Judging by Origin's functional design, I'd say not. In your case, Origin isn't a very appealing solution*. Perhaps there is a way to configure that Origin does not download patches? As for the full ME3 content, with a bit of luck your method might work. Again, even though EA is going full Ubi right now, I don't believe they would go as far as including a GUID check in the content packaging. The chance still exists though.

* No, I do not think Origin is a solution. However, being a computer guy myself (software engineer), I try to use technical correct terms on my field of business.

Looks like there is:
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Modifié par xGrinchy, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:28 .

[Ultai]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Question #5 still needs to be changed to reflect general Origin data collection, not Mass Effect 3 player data collection. I'm pretty sure the people seeking answers don't care about how many femsheps or etc have been made. It seems rather vague or disengenious.

It's meant to be that way. It's deliberate.

Also amusing is how it's not bolded, but everything else is.

I noticed that too, and being a cynic I'm trying hard to think Chris just missed bolding it, still the issue remains.

[Killjoy Cutter]

chance52 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock. But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

With all due respect Ottemis that is exactly what did happen when EADM changed it's name to Origin. Those of us who did have games already were prevented from accessing them until we agreed to the new terms.  For a week or so after the switch we could deny the update but after a short window we were only allowed to agree or quit.  We are talking about the exact same company and their recent history, not some abstract notion of a hypothetical situation that never occurred.

Yeap, and those are games you had already purchased.

[fchopin]

Chris Priestly wrote...

9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Thank you for the answers.
 
I will not reinstall Origin on my computer so will not be playing ME3 on PC.

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
5. If they do, will the penalties enacted result in loss of access to even the single player/single player-offline version of Mass Effect 3?

Don't know. Not in position to even guess or reply with opinion on that.

Actually, it does. EA games has stated the following:

"When someone violates our Terms of Service, we are forced to take actions that can include suspensions and other measures."

Dragoonlordz wrote...

6. Again considering the integration of Origin with Mass Effect 3, does this mean that the EA "issue" of forum bans sometimes resulting in loss of access even to single player games and possibly the full Origin account (including deletion of purchased content) will be in effect for Mass Effect 3?

The forum bans issue I believe was resolved long time ago, where due to how previously worked blocking acces to your EA account on their servers would stop you registering new games and lock out DLC on that EA server account. I think this has been fixed and should not end up locked out of single player game if banned on the forums anymore.

I can't find this anywhere. In fact, if I google the words "origin forum ban resolved" I only seem to get updates of more people having purged accounts because of forum related issues.

[Stanley Woo]

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

We Moderators have always enforced the rules. And those rules are the same ones you explicitly agree to follow when you sign up to participate in our community. Our Site Rules are also always linked at the bottom of every forum page.

Rules 1, 3-5, 7 and 11 are of particular note for this thread, and Rule #12 covers everything else. Rule #13, of course, allows us to change the rules if we should develop a new way of dealing with threads in the future.

[Rockworm503]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock. But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

With all due respect Ottemis that is exactly what did happen when EADM changed it's name to Origin. Those of us who did have games already were prevented from accessing them until we agreed to the new terms.  For a week or so after the switch we could deny the update but after a short window we were only allowed to agree or quit.  We are talking about the exact same company and their recent history, not some abstract notion of a hypothetical situation that never occurred.

Yeap, and those are games you had already purchased.

And people wonder why we're so worried about this.

[Dragoonlordz]

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

Because it was over 220 pages long and all the questions were lost in bickering. They had the decency to link that very thread in the new one if people wished to view it. There was no harm done.

As for dictating what is discussed, it is their site and their rules. If you had your own site you could impose and control your own rules too so please do not be shocked that they impose and enforce their own guidelines on their own site. Our participation on here and privilege to talk directly to the developers who make some of our favorite games rather than just some random user only forum with no interaction with those who create the product is a good thing and respecting their guidelines and rules while here is not unjustified [imho].

[Adugan]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

Because it was over 220 pages long and all the questions were lost in bickering. They had the decency to link that very thread in the new one if people wished to view it. There was no harm done.

As for dictating what is discussed, it is their site and their rules. If you had your own site you could impose and control your own rules too so please do not be shocked that they impose and enforce their own guidelines on their own site. Our participation on here and privilege to talk directly to the developers who make some of our favorite games rather than just some random user only forum with no interaction with those who create the product is a good thing and respecting their guidelines and rules while here is not unjustified [imho].

Mostly true, but turn down the fanboyism please.

[Daeel]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

they been dictating what we can/cannot discuss here for years.  There's no conspiracy here their just following the rules.

Riiiight. We were allowed to discuss anything aslong as it related to origins in the old thread (except piracy) In this new one, there are heavy constraints. They are also deleting posts left and right if they don't follow the constraints.

[CenturyCrow]

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock.  But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous. By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

I'd say he has a valid point and historically accurate. EA's initial Origin EULA with BF 3 allowed full scanning but was declared illegal in Germany; EULA changed at least twice since then. And currently, the EULA is now split, one for Germany and one for the rest of us.

Not long ago, EA changed the EULA so class action lawsuits aren't allowed. Now, not only do you have a EULA and TOS for the game itself, there's now a EULA, TOS and Privacy Policy for Origin. It just keeps stacking up. There's nothing in any of these EULAs that commits them to 'stone.' Compare a modern EA EULA to a much older game EULA such as Baldur's Gate; those early EULA's were aimed primarily with copyright protection.

Second, SONY did the same thing with the Playstation 3. First you could use a Linux OS, then you couldn't because of a EULA change. Disagree with any revision in a new EULA and you can't update the PS 3 anymore for newer games.

Paradnoid - no. Aware that the EULA changes continue to limit the buyer. And like the EULA says, if you don't like it, don't install it. Period.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:38 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The forum bans issue I believe was resolved long time ago, where due to how previously worked blocking acces to your EA account on their servers would stop you registering new games and lock out DLC on that EA server account. I think this has been fixed and should not end up locked out of single player game if banned on the forums anymore.

I can't find this anywhere. In fact, if I google the words "origin forum ban resolved" I only seem to get updates of more people having purged accounts because of forum related issues.

There was a statement released and it was also shown and discussed a great deal within the threads of the BSN forums at the time. 

[Lambchopz]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...
Basically, to sum it up, there are plenty of good reasons to boycott Origin AND Steam, but if you're going to boycott one, it's kind of hypocritical to not boycott the other, and the majority of the reasons people site as their reasons for boycotting Origin are hyperbolated to a pretty extreme degree in some cases.

No, it isn't any kind of contradiction. There is no problem with what Steam does, or indeed what Origin has yet done as a piece of software.

The fact that people keep claiming the software has this functionaliity or that functionality, is due to people's need, it seems, to make authoritative-sounding pronouncements that Origin is evil. What it does now is almost academic.

The problem is not what Origin has implemented so far, nor is it in requiiring a patch/content delivery platform to be installed, nor is it with authentication on install, et cetera.

The problem is and always has been these two things in combination:

1.Origin has required unbelievably intrusive levels of access to private property/data signed away for access to a computer game, and a EULA that can change at any point. This is bad enough but a person might sign up out of choice to play, say, an MMO.

2. REQUIRING this to play Mass Effect 3.  If a dialogue pops up when you use Origin and demands that you submit to
even more unreasonable terms (that weren't on/in the box) or log out a some point after you bought
your game, what then? Well some of us don't want to endorse that sort of thing.

The message so far has kind of looked like "Sign away your privacy and agree to our magical infinite EULA forever or don't play this game. PS: You can't return this game either. Thank you for your purchase."

I don't think for a moment that EA wants to send out this message, or that it has any ill intent with Origin.

What needs to be done with Origin is a little PR, to stop asking for the right to do things nobody should do, to inform the community of its intent and good faith, and draft in some of those fine legal minds to make serious explicit undertakings to maintain people's privacy now and ensure people can keep the protection of such terms in any future EULA revision.

If they literally will not take that tiny step to proactively fix a problem, if they are going to tacitly take what *looks* like a belligerent stance towards their own customer base,even if it i not, then I don't know what anyone in this community or anywhere else can do to help Origin, or that they should do anything at all.

For my part ME3 is possibly going to go the way of BF3, although there is the possibility of a console purchase.

Well, I won't disagree with the idea that they haven't handled Origins well with their PR campaigns surrounding it. My main gripe with it is still that I don't like anything that limits a PC users ability to use their software as they see fit and how they see fit. This is something Origin does, and Steam to some extent, and I absolutely hate it.

One of the main draws of PC Gaming is, or was, that you weren't forced to access your software in any particular way, and outside of piracy, you could do many things legally to access the games you played. Aside from EAs arms length list of various customer service disasters recently, I think the very intent of Origin's design is bad, as is Steam's to a degree. But these gaming platforms have become mainstream enough that I doubt they will just go away, my hope is that they will stop this trend of exclusivity as to where you can get your games and how you can access them. That would at least calm my nerves as far as Steam and Origin go a bit. Ideally, you should be able to access most games through either of the 2 or neither, but that seems to be very unpopular these days.

[Rockworm503]

Daeel wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

they been dictating what we can/cannot discuss here for years.  There's no conspiracy here their just following the rules.

Riiiight. We were allowed to discuss anything aslong as it related to origins in the old thread (except piracy) In this new one, there are heavy constraints. They are also deleting posts left and right if they don't follow the constraints.

You're posting on here are you not?
Lets make this an issue about freedom of speech now 

[Daeel]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

Because it was over 220 pages long and all the questions were lost in bickering. They had the decency to link that very thread in the new one if people wished to view it. There was no harm done.

As for dictating what is discussed, it is their site and their rules. If you had your own site you could impose and control your own rules too so please do not be shocked that they impose and enforce their own guidelines on their own site. Our participation on here and privilege to talk directly to the developers who make some of our favorite games rather than just some random user only forum with no interaction with those who create the product is a good thing and respecting their guidelines and rules while here is not unjustified [imho].

I am not talking about the general rules. Obviously there are boundaries for the entire forum, however, back in the old topic aslong as we were still discussing Origins, everything but piracy was allowed. Now in this new topic. Only certain things about Origins is allowed. 

Again, I don't see anyother reason to lock the old one. The questions will always be lost in the bickering. This thread is already 55 pages long. Don't tell me that is their excuse because it wouldn't make sense.

Stanley Woo and Chris Priestly are not developers. They are moderators of BSN. 



and yes, turn down the fanboyism a notch.

[Chavez_Dice]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The forum bans issue I believe was resolved long time ago, where due to how previously worked blocking acces to your EA account on their servers would stop you registering new games and lock out DLC on that EA server account. I think this has been fixed and should not end up locked out of single player game if banned on the forums anymore.

I can't find this anywhere. In fact, if I google the words "origin forum ban resolved" I only seem to get updates of more people having purged accounts because of forum related issues.

There was a statement released and it was also shown and discussed a great deal within the threads of the BSN forums at the time. 

Please support that statement yourself, as I can't seem to find any of the sorts. As far as I know the situation is still ongoing.

[Gotholhorakh]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

chance52 wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...
I would grudgingly SETTLE for 'with Origin' provided the EULA/TOS does not allow EA to collect data without my ability to opt-out. Like the EULA, the privacy policy and TOS can be updated at any time so what they currently say is fairly pointless. I want to know that I can refuse future changes to those legal documents without compromising my ability to play the games I have paid money for already.

If you think that unreasonable then fine. Go ahead and agree to it yourself. I won't. And I won't lose a moments sleep over it.

You know, people saying this kind of crap should honestly gtfo if you ask me, because what a load of crock. But sure, do your thing, just don't think that argumentation wins you any points, because it is absolutely rediculous.
By that reasoning you can question everything everywhere anytime, if you don't that just makes you inconsistent, which hurts the argumentation even more. It also makes you paranoid, which doesn't suggest anything positive either, does it. Negative, there's another one. I don't think I have to continue pointing out the obvious here.

With all due respect Ottemis that is exactly what did happen when EADM changed it's name to Origin. Those of us who did have games already were prevented from accessing them until we agreed to the new terms.  For a week or so after the switch we could deny the update but after a short window we were only allowed to agree or quit.  We are talking about the exact same company and their recent history, not some abstract notion of a hypothetical situation that never occurred.

Yeap, and those are games you had already purchased.

And people wonder why we're so worried about this.

Yep, I recently noticed someone had Origin on their computer and it was from a game released in 2009, the Sims 3.
She had to install it and agree to the Origin EULA before she could continue to use some online stuff she liked that used to rely on EADM.

Lambchopz wrote...


Well,
I won't disagree with the idea that they haven't handled Origins well
with their PR campaigns surrounding it. My main gripe with it is still
that I don't like anything that limits a PC users ability to use their
software as they see fit and how they see fit. This is something Origin
does, and Steam to some extent, and I absolutely hate it.

I can see and relate to the issue, but I do think it's a (slightly) separate one - or at least that the Origin one is a more specific part of that problem.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Adugan wrote...

Mostly true, but turn down the fanboyism please.

Try not to turn things into hater/fanboy antics. You could of said the first line without the second and it would of done no harm so there is no need to apply labels and branding to other customers all of which are equal in status regardless of which side of the fence you believe I fall into. It did not change the validity of my view or opinion so there was no need for such a comment.