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[Aaleel]

Have they answered the question on what are the Origin requirements after you've authenticated the game for single player?

[Daeel]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

We Moderators have always enforced the rules. And those rules are the same ones you explicitly agree to follow when you sign up to participate in our community. Our Site Rules are also always linked at the bottom of every forum page.

Rules 1, 3-5, 7 and 11 are of particular note for this thread, and Rule #12 covers everything else. Rule #13, of course, allows us to change the rules if we should develop a new way of dealing with threads in the future.

I am not talking about the general rules. You guys seem to be actively deleting posts or editing them now. I don't see the difference in how the old topic was and how the new one is.Yet obviously how you guys are treating the topic is different. 

I guess I should acknowledge that you and Chris are atleast answering the questions now. Which is great, no complaints.

Still I wonder why so many posts are being edited.

Modifié par Daeel, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

9)Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also the original post back last week should have been beworded, was misleading, lets hope the Origin offline mode isn't atrocious.

Why the hell would they use the BF3 setup for operation, didn't they learn from the consumer backlash on BF3 (it was pretty big to my knowledge).

Can always hope for change though.

[eyesofastorm]

Aaleel wrote...

Have they answered the question on what are the Origin requirements after you've authenticated the game for single player?

Yes, and no you cannot play ME3 unless Origin is installed on your PC.  

[Lambchopz]

Daeel wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

they been dictating what we can/cannot discuss here for years.  There's no conspiracy here their just following the rules.

Riiiight. We were allowed to discuss anything aslong as it related to origins in the old thread (except piracy) In this new one, there are heavy constraints. They are also deleting posts left and right if they don't follow the constraints.

There are plenty of posts on this thread that are very critical of Origins. Most of the posts they deleted so far were definitely worthy of deletion or editing, the issue isn't whether they let us say what we want to say, but whether or not they actually listen to it.

Also, this is a private domain. They are perfectly within their right to moderate this domain as they see fit, and I do think they are pretty fair about what they actually do moderate/edit/delete. I've been on forums with much worse mods, so far I don't have a problem with Bioware's forum mods.

[fchopin]

Aaleel wrote...

Have they answered the question on what are the Origin requirements after you've authenticated the game for single player?

Yes they have, you will need Origin installed to play ME3 in sp on pc.

[eyesofastorm]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Why the hell would they use the BF3 setup for operation, didn't they learn from the consumer backlash on BF3 (it was pretty big to my knowledge).

Because all the backlash in the world doesn't matter a whit if it's contained to a few geeks on the internet that are going to buy the product no matter what in the end.  I refer you back to my post on the previous page.  

[Aaleel]

Chris Priestly wrote..


9) Can I install Origin, install Mass Effect 3 and then uninstall Origin and keep playing Mass Effect 3? Even if I only want to play the Single Player Game?
Mass Effect 3 requires Origin to be played, so you cannot play Mass Effect 3 without Origin being installed. This applies to both the single player and multiplayer games.

Oh well, guess I won't be seeing how this series ends.

[billy the squid]

Daeel wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Daeel wrote...

I see they are now dictating what we can/can not discuss here. I wonder why they locked the old one and made a new one for a minor change.

Now I know.

they been dictating what we can/cannot discuss here for years.  There's no conspiracy here their just following the rules.

Riiiight. We were allowed to discuss anything aslong as it related to origins in the old thread (except piracy) In this new one, there are heavy constraints. They are also deleting posts left and right if they don't follow the constraints.

Erm, I'd check the previous Origin threads. They let me go on at length as to how contract law functions and its real world application as well as the commercial function of Origin as a DD service and discussions on sandoxing or discussing the client's process monitor logs. It had nothing to do with ME3 and Stanley Woo and Chris Priestly didn't feel the need to delete my posts. The previous threads were locked due to going way off topic and the other was been linked to a new one

As far as moderating goes if you want trigger happy moderation and arbitrary bans try the EA forums. Most edits and deletions are to stop the thread jumping off a cliff into absurdity and unrelated insanity. In general the mods are pretty good on here, true at times they might curtail discussion a little early rather than waiting and seeing if it dies off. But, I've been guilty of some spamming troll threads and baiting trolls as well as bending the forum rules more than once and I've not been banned and my posts rarely deleted or edited.

Modifié par billy the squid, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:54 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

fchopin wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Have they answered the question on what are the Origin requirements after you've authenticated the game for single player?

Yes they have, you will need Origin installed to play ME3 in sp on pc.

I suppose we should the follow up if its just to keep it installed, or whether it runs through Origin for single player like BF3....

I'm REALLY hoping they would do the former, because making SP run through Origin just doesn't make sense (my last post kind of assumed that it would be running through, in the manner of BF3...)

[BounceDK]

Whats with all the whine? I'm using Origin to download the Amalur demo and it's working fine so far, and no, it hasn't spied on me yet. Soooo I dunno.

[billy the squid]

BounceDK wrote...

Whats with all the whine? I'm using Origin to download the Amalur demo and it's working fine so far, and no, it hasn't spied on me yet. Soooo I dunno.

That's what it wants you to think. It's watching you while you sleep.

[eyesofastorm]

BounceDK wrote...

I'm using Origin to download the Amalur demo and it's working fine so far, and no, it hasn't spied on me yet.

How do you know?  I would sleep with one eye open tonight were I you... and put a lock on your underwear drawer.

[Stanley Woo]

Daeel wrote...
I am not talking about the general rules. You guys seem to be actively deleting posts or editing them now. I don't see the difference in how the old topic was and how the new one is.Yet obviously how you guys are treating the topic is different. 

Yes, Chris has taken the questions asked in the first thread and started this second thread with the answers he has been able to find and post. Partly, the reason for this seond thread is for people to ask for clarifications and to ask any questions we may have missed the first time around.

We Moderators are also taking a keener interest in this discussion and ensuring it remains on-topic. I do not think the company bashing, political discussions, platform wars or discussions of inappropriate topics is germane to this discussion or helpful for Chris in seeking further questions to try and get the answers for.

I guess I should acknowledge that you and Chris are atleast answering the questions now. Which is great, no complaints.

Still I wonder why so many posts are being edited.

Because they are taking the thread off-topic, and the more people that pile onto them, the faster it goes off-topic.

[Akael_Bayn]

So seriously, how much value do you guys gain from trying to pressure customers into installing extra software? Between ME3 and ME1 DLC, you're already out 85 bucks just on me, alone. And you've managed to change me from a fan who gushed about the series to acquaintances into a bitter, envenomed opponent of the entire company.

[BounceDK]

eyesofastorm wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

I'm using Origin to download the Amalur demo and it's working fine so far, and no, it hasn't spied on me yet.

How do you know?

Process Monitor.

[Pupuppu]

Chavez_Dice wrote...

"Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

This is extremely vague and several users have asked clarification.
Considering that BioWare has had time enough to make a statement
regarding this, my take is that they too have ceased to care about the
customer seeing how an explanation has yet to appear. I'm not used to
this kind of behavior from BioWare, this new character they're
developing has principles I do not agree with. I am very
disappointed.

Steam requires that games that are bought on the Steam store are patched by the Steam client and not a third party application.
Steam requires that game add-ons and DLC are also to be sold and installed through Steam.
Overall first of all a protection of their customers, as no one wants to have N-clients running to keep all their games up to date.
Secondly if someone buys a game on Steam, he can expect to find the DLC on Steam, but not only that but to handle the installation. This obviously wasn't always done in the past, which brought a user critisim.
This is also imho an adequate step to protect their customers interests.
At the same time selling games that require the Origin client will violate these valid consumer interests, except the user switches to Origin, which is expected by EA by not only selling a game but also a complete storefront. EAs CFO is quite vocal on this.

So by selling Origin client enabled games Steam would not only break their platform but also push their users to other DD services, thus Steam is protecting their core product.
Impulse in their former days was quite honest about their ban of Steamworks games, as they didn't want to sell other publisher storefronts. Ok, Impulse is dead now. Others continue to sell EA games, Gamespot (former impulse), but they already feel like running on life support. Direct2drive is also dead. Then there is of course Amazon, which already has the infrastructure as a byproduct that will not care and a few others.

So when EA states that they want their Origin enabled games on steam, this is true for the reasons stated above and dishonest at the same time as they know Steam can't do it without breaking their own service.

I'm all for competition, but EA is not playing fair by not only offering their game but a bundled Storefront and content delivery system to their competition.
At the moment it's the customer who is "suffering" by not having the chance to choose where to buy a specific game.

Modifié par Pupuppu, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:01 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Daeel wrote...
I am not talking about the general rules. You guys seem to be actively deleting posts or editing them now. I don't see the difference in how the old topic was and how the new one is.Yet obviously how you guys are treating the topic is different. 

Yes, Chris has taken the questions asked in the first thread and started this second thread with the answers he has been able to find and post. Partly, the reason for this seond thread is for people to ask for clarifications and to ask any questions we may have missed the first time around.

We Moderators are also taking a keener interest in this discussion and ensuring it remains on-topic. I do not think the company bashing, political discussions, platform wars or discussions of inappropriate topics is germane to this discussion or helpful for Chris in seeking further questions to try and get the answers for.

I guess I should acknowledge that you and Chris are atleast answering the questions now. Which is great, no complaints.

Still I wonder why so many posts are being edited.

Because they are taking the thread off-topic, and the more people that pile onto them, the faster it goes off-topic.

Good your online, so can you clarify what Chris meant when he was saying it would require Origin installed to play both SP and MP, but you only need to be connected to Origin for MP.

Does this mean it operates in a manner similar to BF3 (Origin client running) or more like (hopefully) Alice, no Origin client running, but still need it installed for some reason, maybe data share or monitor or something (the former looks more probable, but the latter would be much better imo).

[Stanley Woo]

Some petty bickering removed.

[Eurypterid]

Pupuppu wrote...
At the moment it's the customer who is "suffering" by not having the chance to choose where to buy a specific game.

Not true in the case of ME3. You can buy it from many outlets, just not from Steam.

[Stanley Woo]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Good your online, so can you clarify what Chris meant when he was saying it would require Origin installed to play both SP and MP, but you only need to be connected to Origin for MP.

Does this mean it operates in a manner similar to BF3 (Origin client running) or more like (hopefully) Alice, no Origin client running, but still need it installed for some reason, maybe data share or monitor or something (the former looks more probable, but the latter would be much better imo).

You'll have to ask Chris. He's the one getting answers and updating the "FAQ" at the top of this thread.

[Gotholhorakh]

Pupuppu wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

"Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

This is extremely vague and several users have asked clarification.
Considering that BioWare has had time enough to make a statement
regarding this, my take is that they too have ceased to care about the
customer seeing how an explanation has yet to appear. I'm not used to
this kind of behavior from BioWare, this new character they're
developing has principles I do not agree with. I am very
disappointed.

Steam requires that games that are bought on the Steam store are patched by the Steam client and not a third party application.
Steam requires that game add-ons and DLC are also to be sold and installed through Steam.
Overall first of all a protection of their customers, as no one wants to have N-clients running to keep all their games up to date.
Secondly if someone buys a game on Steam, he can expect to find the DLC on Steam, but not only that but to handle the installation. This obviously wasn't always done in the past, which brought a user critisim.
This is also imho an adequate step to protect their customers interests.

Yes indeed, one of the reasons for doing this is that things which divert the customer away from your portal can compromise your security or privacy, or have you obligated to legal terms you were not aware of when you entered into the purchase through Steam. It prevents "bait and switch" of the distribution channel..


This all serves to demonstrate exactly the sort of thing Steam protects us against when it doesn't let us get diverted away to other services.

Stuff like that Origin EULA creeping in when you get your tasty DLC.

Facetious point aside, I would like to say there is no point in roasting BioWare for this, they are probably literally powerless to do anything about it.

I would, however, ask that BioWare make moves to suggest some PR repairs for Origin, including some give-and-take WRT customer privacy. It really can't be worth losing (few or many) sales for a trivial PR issue.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:11 .

[MadLaughter]

Well, at least the Community Managers are answering the questions now, even if they are in a cold and fairly condescending way. When people have concerns, answering them like a thesaurus-bot with no feelings or empathy isn't the best way to do it. Step one was "be transparent", which is what they seem to be attempting to do. Step two should be "Oh yeah, and don't be jerks about step 1." They seem like they are gritting their teeth with every word they allow us to read. Resentful.

Modifié par MadLaughter, 18 janvier 2012 - 12:09 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Stanley Woo wrote...

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Good your online, so can you clarify what Chris meant when he was saying it would require Origin installed to play both SP and MP, but you only need to be connected to Origin for MP.

Does this mean it operates in a manner similar to BF3 (Origin client running) or more like (hopefully) Alice, no Origin client running, but still need it installed for some reason, maybe data share or monitor or something (the former looks more probable, but the latter would be much better imo).

You'll have to ask Chris. He's the one getting answers and updating the "FAQ" at the top of this thread.

Alright, thank you, although I have to ask, what is your role? I thought you were associated with the public relations process with ME3 as well?

[Chavez_Dice]

Pupuppu wrote...

Chavez_Dice wrote...

"Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

This is extremely vague and several users have asked clarification.
Considering that BioWare has had time enough to make a statement
regarding this, my take is that they too have ceased to care about the
customer seeing how an explanation has yet to appear. I'm not used to
this kind of behavior from BioWare, this new character they're
developing has principles I do not agree with. I am very
disappointed.

Steam requires that games that are bought on the Steam store are patched by the Steam client and not a third party application.
Steam requires that game add-ons and DLC are also to be sold and installed through Steam.
Overall first of all a protection of their customers, as no one wants to have N-clients running to keep all their games up to date.
Secondly if someone buys a game on Steam, he can expect to find the DLC on Steam, but not only that but to handle the installation. This obviously wasn't always done in the past, which brought a user critisim.
This is also imho an adequate step to protect their customers interests.
At the same time selling games that require the Origin client will violate these valid consumer interests, except the user switches to Origin, which is expected by EA by not only selling a game but also a complete storefront. EAs CFO is quite vocal on this.

So by selling Origin client enabled games Steam would not only break their platform but also push their users to other DD services, thus Steam is protecting their core product.
Impulse in their former days was quite honest about their ban of Steamworks games, as they didn't want to sell other publisher storefronts. Ok, Impulse is dead now. Others continue to sell EA games, Gamespot (former impulse), but they already feel like running on life support. Direct2drive is also dead. Then there is of course Amazon, which already has the infrastructure as a byproduct that will not care and a few others.

So when EA states that they want their Origin enabled games on steam, this is true for the reasons stated above and dishonest at the same time as they know Steam can't do it without breaking their own service.

I'm all for competition, but EA is not playing fair by not only offering their game but a bundled Storefront and content delivery system to their competition.
At the moment it's the customer who is "suffering" by not having the chance to choose where to buy a specific game.

That clarifies the first sentence, but what I'm really on about is this:

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

Seeing how discontent the clients are, there surely must be something else going on. I find it hard to believe that they team up with Origin because it helps them 'provide Mass Effect to players with best possible experience'. While I do believe BioWare/EA and Steam have differences they need to put aside, I am certain that this is nothing more but a cover for their new plan that should pave their way to the Digital Delivery market. Or, as I said:

Chavez_Dice wrote...
In this case, EA's handling strongly suggests they see a way to improve their position on the market on a longer term. The basic idea is that they would like to compete with Steam, and the applied strategy is to buy popular studios (as always) and make their products an Origin proprietary product. Disregarding Steam like that will divide the PC gamers in two camps, which is the goal of this campaign.

Also, if you wonder how this helps the customer: it doesn't.